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    Exclamation Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    Fuuuucked up! This is from Enlargement FAQ (Version 2). Emphasis is mine.

    What Is Saphenous Vein Graft Surgery?

    Saphenous vein graft surgery involves removing a section of your saphenous vein and grafting it onto the tunica albuginea to enlarge its capacity. The saphenous vein, which runs down the inside of the thigh, is easy to access and sections of this vein have been used as the conduit of choice for heart bypass surgery for decades.

    The tunica albuginea is the thin but very tough elastic tissue that encases the corpus cavernosa. If the penis were a blood vessel, the tunica albuginea would be its wall. More than any other component, it is the capacity of the tunica albuginea that determines your dick's size. The skin will stretch larger and the corpus cavernosa will grow to fill the space. Expand the tunica and you expand the dick. At least that's the theory.

    The saphenous vein makes an ideal donor material for tunica grafts because the tissues are very similar in structure and thickness. Because it's so thin, the graft quickly establishes a blood supply from the underlying lumen of the corpus cavernosa. And because it's a vein, its endothilium lining releases anticoagulants that prevent the formation of hematomas which could cause contracture and bending.

    It's a two stage procedure. Like dermal grafts, the first step is to harvest the donor material. Two small incisions, about one foot apart, are made in the upper thigh. The vein is cut one at one incision and pulled out through the other. It is then cut in half and each piece is dissected along its length. The resulting pieces flattened out are about half-an-inch by 6 inches.

    Then, as in graft augmentation, a circumferential incision is made behind the glans and the penile skin is pulled back to the pubis. An incision is then made along the length of each corpus cavernosum from head to base. The grafts are then stitched into each side of these incisions. The overlying skin is then pulled back up the shaft and sewn into place.

    Does Vein Graft Sugery Work?

    According to one Egyptian doctor, a patient went from a girth of 11.5 cm (4.5") to 19.5 cm (7.7"). Just so you know. that's about the width of a beer can. Hmm. I emailed the doctor to ask for clarification on this figure but failed to get a response. I was prepared to write off the result until I stumbled across a follow-up study of 37 men who had undergone the operation. Measurements were taken 9 months after surgery and while there were no meaningful increases in flaccid diameter, the increases in erect diameter ranged from 1.1 cm (0.4") to 2.1 cm (0.84"). That's diameter, folks; presumably measured at the point of greatest width. In terms of circumference, that translates to a gain of 2 - 2.5 inches. If somebody's not fudging the results, saphenous graft surgery is by far the most effective means of girth enhancement currently available.

    Another advantage vein grafts have over dermal or AlloDerm grafts is that you're not required to wear a dick stretcher for six months after the surgery. The penis also looks proportional when flaccid. No little wiener head sticking out of a bun.

    What Is The Downside Of Vein Grafts?

    It depends on what you want from the surgery. If you're looking to show off in the locker room, this isn't going to help you. This is also very invasive surgery. You're not just laying tissue over a de-gloved penis. You're actually slicing open the most important part of your dick. You're looking at a longer healing period for the penis itself and you'll have to contend with scarring at the incision sites, although these should be much less pronounced than with dermal grafts.

    There is also the possibility, given the volume increase in the erectile chambers, that your erections will not be as hard as before. This has not been mentioned in the literature for girth enhancement, but it has been discussed as a side effect in other vein graft surgeries on the tunica albuginea.

    How Much Does It Cost?

    Hard to say. As yet there are no clinics (in North America, at least) that were offering this surgery. It's very new and still controversial. In fact, at the time of writing there was only one doctor in the world with extensive experience in this procedure. His name is Prof. Eduardo Austoni. He teaches urology at the University of Milan. If you're in town, look him up. At some point, barring unforeseen problems with the procedure, it will be performed around the world. Given the complexity of the work required you'll probably be looking at cost anywhere from US$6000 - US$12,000.
    Maybe he's born with it. Maybe it's MoS PE. ®

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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    I love this site, very nice.

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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    WOW. This is impressive and definitely still very new. The results are very practical considering the procedure, yet LARGE in a good way . I see this catching on very well.

    Clamping still works really well, but this is SURE to enable MASSIVE girth at a very accelerated pace. I could also see some evolution that modifies this procedure a bit for more length enhancement without having to cut the suspensatory ligament. Add this with the typical Penis Enlargement exercises and there will ve HUGE dick records set.

    I'd like to see advancements made for using grafts from cadavers, like the AlloDerm evolution, and it seems like it can be done.

    Plenty of Medical Journal research popping up with a Google search for those interested:"Saphenous Vein Graft Surgery" - Google Search .

    Some journals provide free access, some require payment. The knowledge is real case studies from doctors.

    So far, the only result when "penis" is added to the search is the altpenis link. "Saphenous Vein Graft Surgery" penis - Google Search . I wonder where they found the doctor and the case study info of the 37 patients.
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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    This would be good for guys with about 1.5-1.7" widths, any more than that and you're looking to be the next Shorty Mac.
    Summer 06: 8 bp x 6 mseg (7.5 nbp)
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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    WHOA. Edoardo Austoni (seems that is the proper spelling, opposed to the westernized Eduardo version, though I'm sure results turn up for each) ... was injured in an ambush in November 2006 and was arrested on March 18th 2007 for what seems to be allegations of fraud by accepting money and not providing the service the money was accepted for.

    Translated version of http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edoardo_Austoni

    It seems that part of the problem in speaking with Austoni and his office employees may be a language barrier.

    Google Answers: Solutions to Male Reconstruction ( Urologic Surgery)

    But here is some contact info from the last link:
    Information provided by Dr. Austoni’s secretary Maurizia D'Amore, by
    email.
    Casa di Cura Privata del Policlinico
    Via Dezza, 48
    Milano
    Italia
    tel. +39 (0) 2 48593400
    edoardoaustoni@oh-fbf.it

    Information taken from Dr. Austoni’s profile at the Universitŕ degli
    Studi di Milano ( Chi e dove
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    Office Telephone: +39 02 85994798
    Alternative telephone: 02 85994896
    Fax: +39 02 85994551
    E-Mail: edoardo.austoni@unimi.it
    Professore Straordinario
    Settore MED/24 - Urologia
    Facolta' di Medicina e Chirurgia
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    Istituto di Urología
    More online : "edoardo austoni" - Google Search

    "eduardo austoni" - Google Search

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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    Two results currently appear for his name and "vein graft":
    "edoardo austoni" "vein graft" - Google Search

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    This surgical technique was well tolerated and no significant complications occurred. In particular we did not observe any hemorrhagic, infectious or ischemic complications. The aesthetic and functional evaluation was verified after a 6-month follow-up. The increment of penile diameter ranged from 1,1 cm to 2,1 cm. Moreover patients and their partners reported achieving satisfactory sexual activity, in absence of functional damages of the implant or endocavernous prosthetic cylinders extrusions or herniation.
    The second is a PDF that seems unrelated to penis surgery.

    Still not sure where the case study of the 37 patients came from.

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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    Quote Originally Posted by 10inchadvantage
    This would be good for guys with about 1.5-1.7" widths, any more than that and you're looking to be the next Shorty Mac.
    lol , I know what you mean. But any solid stats on his girth?


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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    Sent an email to george at alt penis.
    We, over at http://www.mattersofsize.com/forumne...tml#post260465 , would appreciate it if you could better inform us about the Saphenous Vein Graft surgery and or keep us up to date with new findings as time goes on by dropping by and lettings us know when you've dug up more info for your site. I'm especially curious to learn the source of the info, who the egyptian doctor is - if it is not Prof. Austoni (the Italian in Milan) - and where to contact him [the doctor] - if not at where has been noted already in the thread, but especially where more info is about the 37 patient case study, what other doctors may be performing the surgery or thinking about implementing it into their practice and how it is being received by the penis surgeons of the world. Will be interested in following this, even though penis surgery is still a big and scary leap that I hopefully won't prefer over exercises.

    Thanks for your work and insight.

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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    Shorty Mac is very asymmetrical, but looks like he may even clear 8.5 inch girth at his widest part:


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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    The guy has at least an 8" girth, just amazing.
    Summer 06: 8 bp x 6 mseg (7.5 nbp)
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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    Quote Originally Posted by 10inchadvantage
    The guy has at least an 8" girth, just amazing.
    And way too big for any pussy, ever. I saw the clip of him being passed around the forum and the chick was trying to like it but was obviously in intense pain and started screaming like she was being raped.

    7 inch girth is the largest girth I'd suggest anyone ever get to. Over that is pushing it. I know REDZULU got to 7.4 inch girth. I wonder if any of the chicks he screwed ever wanted seconds. I'm sure he's been splitting pussy to the extent of blood draw.

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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    My thoughts exactly. I'm a bit over 6" in that department and am planning to stop when I reach a bit over 6.5" midshaft. 7" and over is just plain nuts (unless you've been longtime married and your wife has adapted to it over time, of course). Failing that, you'll have trouble finding a girl who'll stick around long enough to get used to it. But the flipside is that you'll get a lot of different pussy, since a lot of girls are curious about 6"+ girth. Just don't expect more than one night stands is all. And don't expect them to cum either just because you have that kind of girth. Although it does make it quite a bit easier if you do it right.

    The bottom line is that anything over 7" in girth is stretching it with most girls. (Pun intended.)
    Quote Originally Posted by PenilePersist
    And way too big for any pussy, ever. I saw the clip of him being passed around the forum and the chick was trying to like it but was obviously in intense pain and started screaming like she was being raped.

    7 inch girth is the largest girth I'd suggest anyone ever get to. Over that is pushing it. I know REDZULU got to 7.4 inch girth. I wonder if any of the chicks he screwed ever wanted seconds. I'm sure he's been splitting pussy to the extent of blood draw.
    Maybe he's born with it. Maybe it's MoS PE. ®

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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    so anyone understand HOW this procedure works? so they graft veins into the penis, wouldnt that just improve the outflow of blood?
    starting length 5.5 bpel (about 4 yrs ago)

    after 6 months of PE
    BPEL = 6.7
    EG = 5.2

    now after a years break and 10 months at MOS im gaining again

    BPEL = 6.8
    EG = 5.2

    goal - (8 - 8.5)x 6

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    Angry Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    What I want to know is what the fuck happens if you need heart bypass surgery one day and they already took the nice fat veins out of your legs?!!!

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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    Quote Originally Posted by EVO
    so anyone understand HOW this procedure works? so they graft veins into the penis, wouldnt that just improve the outflow of blood?
    They graft tissue with the blood supply still intact. For instance, the pubic area tissue intact with blood supply is repositioned around the tunica. That is the only difference between this technique and dermal grafting technique. Theoretically, the tissue will have a better chance to survive. Typically, 10-15% of dermal grafts are lost during the period grafts incorporate a blood supply. It's a trade off, as mentioned in the article, scarring is much more apparent with the Saphenous Vein Graft technique and it's also much more invasive. In time dermal grafts have a similar blood supply as this technique.

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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    I'm not interested in ever having any type of surgery, but I'm still curious how effective this one is and what its side effects are. I'd love to take a look at some before and after pics, with the "after" being 6-12 months later. That way you'd get a good idea about how much visible permanent scarring there would be from this.
    Quote Originally Posted by The BTC Killer
    They graft tissue with the blood supply still intact. For instance, the pubic area tissue intact with blood supply is repositioned around the tunica. That is the only difference between this technique and dermal grafting technique. Theoretically, the tissue will have a better chance to survive. Typically, 10-15% of dermal grafts are lost during the period grafts incorporate a blood supply. It's a trade off, as mentioned in the article, scarring is much more apparent with the Saphenous Vein Graft technique and it's also much more invasive. In time dermal grafts have a similar blood supply as this technique.

    ~BTC
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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    Quote Originally Posted by Baraka
    I'm not interested in ever having any type of surgery, but I'm still curious how effective this one is and what its side effects are. I'd love to take a look at some before and after pics, with the "after" being 6-12 months later. That way you'd get a good idea about how much visible permanent scarring there would be from this.
    I agree. BTC might do it.

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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    Quote Originally Posted by psychotic
    What I want to know is what the fuck happens if you need heart bypass surgery one day and they already took the nice fat veins out of your legs?!!!
    Lol I was thinking the same thing
    Nov 1st 2006 (starting date):
    BPEL: 5.3"
    NBPEL: 4.7"
    Girth: 4.1"

    Current (April 4th 2007, 5 months in):
    BPEL: 5.5"
    NBPEL: 4.7"
    Girth: 4.3"

    Appeared to gain 0.2 inches in both length and girth. But maybe I was just measuring wrong when I began? Not sure.

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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    This is insane, now people want to take veins out of their body and hook them up to their dick? Sure, why not hack off a few fingers and throw them in there too. Clamp, jelq, and pump your way safely to a 1-2" girth gain, don't be retarded.

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    Re: Surgery: Want to be thicker than Shane? Check this out!

    Quote Originally Posted by quijjiboo
    This is insane, now people want to take veins out of their body and hook them up to their dick? Sure, why not hack off a few fingers and throw them in there too. Clamp, jelq, and pump your way safely to a 1-2" girth gain, don't be retarded.
    I agree that it is insane for many, but there are some people out there with extra thin dicks that this will be of great help to.

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