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    Re: Frenulum Tying!

    Hi Phallus,

    My first guess is its a vein, which should be less of a problem, as they often tie off veins to stop nose bleeds and "cure" varicose veins.
    Will carry on reading and see if I can get any really reliable info.
    I'm probably going to have the same problem with my next tie as well.

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    Re: Frenulum Tying!

    http://www.norm.org/frenular.pdf
    Read section 2
    Any extra evidence anyone can dig up would help,

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    Re: Frenulum Tying!

    Quote Originally Posted by JanBarrel View Post
    http://www.norm.org/frenular.pdf
    Read section 2
    Any extra evidence anyone can dig up would help,
    Interesting read. If I've read it correctly then the vein I'm talking about is a frenular vein which helps drain the glans. That sounds like something we don't want to damage lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhallusOfOsiris View Post
    Interesting read. If I've read it correctly then the vein I'm talking about is a frenular vein which helps drain the glans. That sounds like something we don't want to damage lol.
    I have completely lost my frenlum but have not experienced any drainage issues. Where is this vein you speak of? ANy pictures?
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    Re: Frenulum Tying!

    hey all- been a while. I made the mistake of using fishing line that was too thin- it wasn't cinching down enough as it had knotted up on itself. So on day 3, I had to snip the knot. I'll be making another attempt once I muster up the courage. I do alot of outdoors stuff and it really is annoying to have the tie in while rock climbing or running.


    JanBarrel- I have a question for you. once you did the cut, did it ever feel like the fren was trying to attach itself again? Or did it heal up open, like it should?

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    Hi Little wing, no, never felt like that at all. The skin below the tie had actually formed and healed before the tie was complete.
    Have a look at d6_ph5 and d7_ph4 on my flickr account - the first shows when I had to replace the tie, and the second just after the frenulum broke - these should give a good idea of how well formed the skin was below the tie.
    I was very surprised at how fast this skin formed.

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    DLD, there is quite a good photo at http://www.picazen.com/FRENULUM/fren_pics.htm somewhere - the guy has actually marked the vein in the photo.
    In the meantime I will try and get a photo of mine.

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    Hey all... I'm thinking of tying my frenulum but I spoke to a mate of mine who's a doctor and he said: 'even if you're really careful, there's still a high chance of infection'... Really want to tie it but don't want my dick to fall off lol... or get sepsis or anything... Anybody got any reassurance... Also Phallus I'm in UK too and was wondering if and where you bought numbing cream? Cheers

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    Hi Nervousbrit (I like the name !),
    I was quite worried before I started, and did quite a bit of reading - even into things like gangrene. I think the fact that its just a piece of skin without much tissue is the one factor which makes it safer. I was just really careful, used alcohol swabs to clean everything (you get small sealed ones for people who have diabetes and have to inject themselves), boil the needle and then use some form of anti-septic cream about every two hours. Also, try and wash it with warm water and a bit of soap at least twice a day. I didn't sterilize the string I used. Putting the needle through was also not that painful at all - didn't use anything to numb the area.
    The other thing I found out is that Africans use thorns to pierce the frenulum, or ants with large pincers to bite through them, and they seem to have very little trouble with infections. (this clinched it for me.)
    Feel free to drop me a PM in this forum if you want to have a look at my photos on flickr, or if you PM me an email addr, I can email some to you. The slightly yellow substance below the tie was actually the anti-septic cream.

    I would also like the others on this thread to comment please (especially Phallus, Tactical and All2real) - I can only speak from my experience.
    (Maybe we should start a Wiki page ? with a summary of our experiences)

    All2Real - how is the healing going ?

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    Hi everyone. Apologies for not replying in over a week it's been quite busy at my end! I will try to post more frenquently

    Quote Originally Posted by nervousbrit View Post
    Hey all... I'm thinking of tying my frenulum but I spoke to a mate of mine who's a doctor and he said: 'even if you're really careful, there's still a high chance of infection'... Really want to tie it but don't want my dick to fall off lol... or get sepsis or anything... Anybody got any reassurance... Also Phallus I'm in UK too and was wondering if and where you bought numbing cream? Cheers
    Hey nervousbrit! Whilst your friend might be correct about the chance of infection I very much doubt that infection will occur if you prepare and take the precautions like those in this thread have done. I can only speak from my experience and go on the words of the others here that have done it but as long as you're not rubbing your dick in dog shit you should be fine . I think i've mentioned in previous posts what my procedure was and what I did in preparation for it but i'll quickly go over it again

    On the day of my tying I retracted the foreskin and kept it retracted all day to get the skin used to it being in that state (I thought it might make things easier to work with for later on). Later that night I had a hot bath and cleaned the area with soap and thoroughly rinsed off with clean water to prevent any irritation from the soap. Afterwards I saturated the frenulum, glans and foreskin in anti-septic cream and allowed the foreskin to roll forward again. I left it like this for maybe a couple of hours, mostly because I was waiting for privacy in order to begin the tying but at least it gave it time for the cream to 'sit' for a while. When I finally retired to my room I sat down and retracted the foreskin again and gently dabbed the excess cream away with tissue to make the skin less slippery. Afterwards, I began applying about a pea-sized amount of the anaesthetic cream (EMLA 5%) to numb the area. Whilst the anaesthetic cream was working its magic I got my needle and thread and smothered them both in anti-septic cream. This took about 4 or 5 minutes which gave the anaesthetic plenty of time to soak in and become effective (it only takes about 2 mins to start feeling numb). Being nervous I spent roughly half an hour making sure of where I wanted the entry and exit point of the needle to be and before finally pushing it through I applied a fresh anaesthetic just to be sure. When the needle went through I kind of laughed to myself in realisation of what I was doing lol would never have thought I would be pushing a sewing needle through my banjo string! Anyway, I tied a double surgeons knot, snipped the excess thread off, saturated the area again in anti-septic cream, pushed the foreskin forward and went to sleep.

    And that's basically my story for my first tying of the frenulum.

    The next day I woke up and went to use the bathroom. I carefully retracted the foreskin and to my surprise there wasn't any pain apart from a slight sting which was only noticeable when I pressed on the knot. I would highly recommend retracting the foreskin when you urinate. I found that doing this prevented urine from collecting in or around the foreskin which it would do if it was pulled forward. As a guard, I would also keep some tissue covering the knot whilst you piss, just as another precaution. Don't worry if any does get into the stitch though, it happened a few times to me and I just gently dabbed the area with tissue, applied fresh anti-septic cream and went about my day. If you have the time and privacy, it would be good to soak the area in comfortably hot water for 5 or 10 mins when using the bathroom but don't worry if you can't. I rarely had the chance and it didn't hinder any progress for me Just keep fresh anti-septic cream on between bathroom visits and you'll be fine. Oh and wash your hands!

    The Anaesthetic cream I used was EMLA Cream 5% and I bought it for I think about £7 from a Boots Pharmacy which was part of a Waitrose supermarket (It might have been £7 including the anti-septic cream, I can't remember now). I had to ask the guy there if they had any EMLA Cream 5% because it wasn't on display. He went away for a couple minutes and came back with a book the size of Yellow Pages full of all the medicines and creams. After browsing, he went away again and brought a little box back with the tube of cream in. I'm not sure what the book was for but i'm guessing it was to check the price and if a prescription was required or not. Anyway he sold it to me with no problems.

    Sorry if this has been long but I wanted to share my tying experience to help reassure you and, more importantly, give you knowledge about the steps I took that are involved. If you follow the above hygiene steps then you will have no problems!

    Let us know of your progress or if you need any help with anything let us know!
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    Just wanted to add to my previous post that during the week that my stitch was in, I still went training at the gym every day and this didn't cause any problems in terms of hygiene and infections. Shower afterwards, fresh anti-septic cream and all was good!

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    Re: Frenulum Tying!

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    Thanks for the advice Jan and Phallus... I think I'm going to do it... I mentioned it to my other half and they kind of freaked out a bit but I'm persuading myself round to just go for it...

    Can I ask though: How tight was your frenulum before?.. Because mine's tight but not so tight that I can't retract my foreskin at all... Are there any lasting problems you've found? Also what sort of needle and thread did you use? Did you try and get hold of surgical thread?

    I suppose after thinking about it... infection isn't any more likely than if you ripped your frenulum like a mate of mine did

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    Quote Originally Posted by nervousbrit View Post
    I suppose after thinking about it... infection isn't any more likely than if you ripped your frenulum like a mate of mine did

    It was so fast and sudden that I did not even know till I saw it. No infections at all but it did take about a month to heal for stretching. It stung mostly and eventually the scarring became strong enough to stretch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nervousbrit View Post
    Thanks for the advice Jan and Phallus... I think I'm going to do it... I mentioned it to my other half and they kind of freaked out a bit but I'm persuading myself round to just go for it...

    Can I ask though: How tight was your frenulum before?.. Because mine's tight but not so tight that I can't retract my foreskin at all... Are there any lasting problems you've found? Also what sort of needle and thread did you use? Did you try and get hold of surgical thread?

    I suppose after thinking about it... infection isn't any more likely than if you ripped your frenulum like a mate of mine did
    Yea my frenulum was pretty tight in the end but it sounds similar to what yours is now. Tight but didn't prevent retraction. I'm uploading some before and after pictures on Flickr soon if you want to see them. I think JanBarrel can get you invited to the Fren_tying group on there if you're interested

    My frenulum has always been on the short side being roughly 1cm in length and 2.5mm wide. This never caused much of a problem in retracting the foreskin but it was noticeably tight and it prevented rough sex or else it would tear.

    What made it a problem for me was the slight phimotic ring i've had since...I guess I was 12 years old maybe? At the time and up until the age of about 21 it had always been this white tight ring of about 0.5mm but hadn't caused any problems until it started suddenly getting worse in the last year and a half (I'm 22 now). With the tight white ring getting thicker and tighter as it scarred, it began to cause problems and even pain when pulling the foreskin back. This extra tightness from the ring is what put more pressure and strain on my already tight frenulum, and gave me my first tiny tear which stung like hell.

    I haven't found anything that I would call a long lasting problem since I tied my first knot. As far as I can tell there isn't much that can go wrong. It's just a flap of skin that is slowly cut in half with thread and then it heals into itself.The only thing I can think of that might be a potential concern is the issue of how much scarring will be visible afterwards, but even that isn't anything to worry about in my opinion as there is next to no scarring. Any scar will fade and blend in with time and care. In my experience ANYTHING was better than living with the tightness and worrying about it tearing 50% of the time when I could retract it. I've no regrets, it's much better now.

    I did first try to get hold of surgical thread along with those curved suture needles but surprisingly couldn't find any, and the pharmacy didn't have any. But, after researching, I found that any thread that didn't wear away after a day would be good enough. The thread I used was this elasticated sewing thread which was I think 50% Cotton and 50% Polyester (Black in colour). The needle I used was the smallest sewing needle I could find. It was the smallest one in this pack of sewing needles I bought at the end of a shopping isle for about £2. I'll also upload pictures of everything I used to Flickr

    Hope this helps!

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    My Frenulum was probably 1.5 cm, and also only a problem sometimes.
    I used a 0.9mm need (No.4, embroidery, I think) - what was good, is it has slots cut into the back, so the yarn lies in these slots as it pulls through.
    The yarn I used was croche cotton, but I couldn't get all 3 strands through the needle, so I had to strip one strand out and use the two remaining strands.
    I found that a single strand broke very easily.
    I was worried about losing sensitivity, but if anything, I think its slightly more sensitive now.

    Please feel free to ask more questions, I will also post a photo of the needle I used on the flickr page.

    Phallus, after seeing my photos, how do you think your elastic option compares to the string I used ?

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    Re: Frenulum Tying!

    NervousBrit, please try to get some photos if you can, especially remember to get some before photos - I didn't as my tying was very spur of the moment.
    If you can, practice taking the photos first - I found it difficult to hold the camera and the penis to get the right angle and lighting (direct sunlight seemed to work the best).
    I did mine without telling my better half - will be interesting to hear your comments on this aspect as well

    Good luck, and please keep us posted !

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    Re: Frenulum Tying!

    Yeah think it would be useful to see the photos... I'll take some and post them too... I'm 23 phallus so want to get it sorted while I'm still young... I find it holds me back a bit too... Though I'm going to have to do it when my other half is away for a while so I don't get my nuts chopped off!

    Question though: Does the scar hurt when you're having sex? Also (and this is sort of a different subject) Do you both do stretching/ lenthening/ jelquing exercises? Does it actually work? And does frenulum tying affect that?

    I'm going to go get the stuff tomorrow and hopefully build up the nerve to do it Sunday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanBarrel View Post

    Phallus, after seeing my photos, how do you think your elastic option compares to the string I used ?
    After seeing the photos it looks like your thread was maybe twice the thickness of what I used. Yours was more cotton based too yea? Mine was 50% Cotton and 50% Polyesther which I believe made my thread more wire-like and not as fluffy with the tiny strands of cotton. I reckon this might make the cutting process slightly faster if it's more polyesther based. I'm sure that whatever thread is used, as long as it's TIGHT and durable, it will do the job no problem, but I will say I liked the elasticated thread due to it's constant cutting effect as the frenulum got thinner. Judging by your photos though it looks like you had a nice clean cut so i'm not sure. Perhaps the difference is so minute is doesn't really matter When I do my next tying to go as deep as I dare for as much slackness as I can get, i'll stick to the thread i've used as it's what i'm used to now.

    Originally I was wanting to use either surgical thread or a nylon/elastic nylon thread but I ended up with a cotton polyesther thread used for sewing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nervousbrit View Post
    I'm 23 phallus so want to get it sorted while I'm still young... I find it holds me back a bit too...
    Yea if you're going to get it done then i'd probably get it done sooner rather than later. But don't rush into it if you're not 100% sure yet. I know what you mean by being held back. I don't want a girlfriend until everything is sorted down there lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by nervousbrit View Post
    Does the scar hurt when you're having sex? Also (and this is sort of a different subject) Do you both do stretching/ lenthening/ jelquing exercises? Does it actually work? And does frenulum tying affect that?
    No the scar doesn't hurt at all. After the initial healing was done it was still sensitive but this sensitivity soon turns to a pleasurable type as the scar tissue begins to blend in with the rest of the foreskin/shaft skin.

    I have done stretching and jelqing in the past along with some clamping. Unfortunately I was forced to stop due to my frenulum and phimosis problem so I started searching for a solution to it and discovered this tying process. Before I stopped the Penis Enlargement exercises though I think I was making gradual gains but again I wasn't consistent enough to cement any major gains from it. I really do want to begin the newbie routine what DLD posted but I need to fix my phimosis.

    In my experience, yes it does work but it's mostly a gradual growing process just like any exercise is, such as weightlifting or bodybuilding. Stretching lengthens the ligaments and allows more of the inner shaft to be brought outside whilst jelqing causes fibres to rip and repair back bigger, creating more cells basically. The bigger the chambers of the penis is, the more blood it can hold! That's my basic understanding of it. Can't wait to begin again...damn phimosis

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