ROP testosterone results after wearing it for 3 months.

[jakb]

About the time I started PE(March), I had my testosterone checked. At the time it measured at 871 ng/dl. This number is high and above their normal chart parameters which stops at 827 ng/dl.

For about 2 months I wore the ROP 24 hours/day, then about a month ago I changed that and started to wear it only when sleeping. After the 1st week I was sure that my test. levels had increased as my weights that I lift went up and I felt really good. This feeling only lasted a week and then never returned. I kept thinking as time progressed "why are these weights seem to be getting heavier, what happened to that feeling I had when I first put on the ROP." I started to wonder if the results were positive only because I deeply wanted and hoped they would be. After 3 months I then decided to check my test. levels again.

Monday 8/3/2004: I again had my testosterone checked as I wanted to see what effect the ROP had on it. After 3 months of wearing the ROP my testosterone has dropped 125 points down to 746 ng/dl. Almost a 15% drop. This is a pretty dramatic result and the Dr. asked what could be the reason for the dramatic drop. He asked about steroid use and coming off of them. My truthful response was, "never taken them, never will." His response was "hmmm, odd results then."

Along with this my workouts have been more difficult to complete. The weights I use have decreased. I feel tired alot and I may for the 1st time in my life be experiencing depression. All of which are symptoms of decreasing test. levels.

So needless to say I am no longer going to be wearing the ROP. To those who are getting good results with it, I am very happy for you and wish you the best. But I also want those who are wearing them to re-evaluate how they are feeling and get your testosterone levels checked.

[REDZULU2003]

so it was bullshit in your experience with it?

[lm2]

Maybe you should use some 6-OXO, an over the counter aromatase inhibitor that's used after pro-horomones to get natural testosterone levels back up. It would actually bring your testosterone levels higher than normal while you were on it, and they'd level off hopefully to your previous level 10 days after stopping or so.

[jakb]

so it was bullshit in your experience with it?


I would have to say that the positive results were all psychosomatic and only lasted about a week. After that I had an internal struggle with it, because I wanted to believe that it was working, but I couldnt help but notice the negative results from it. I just thought I was tired and I wasnt getting enough rest, but tiredness shouldnt last 2.5 months. Besides that I do get enough rest.

Im2 As far as 6 oxo. Would Estrogenex(aromatase inhibitor) be what you are talking about? Main ingredient is chrysin.

[lm2]

No, I wasn't referring to chrysin. According to what I've read about chrysin, it doesn't have good bio-availability. I was talking about 6-OXO made by ergopharm. There are studies showing its effectiveness.

I'm going to be taking it shortly to see if I can get an improvement in strength, and to hopefully restore test levels after going off some medication (and maybe restore dropped levels from the ring of power if that's the case?).

[jakb]

THANKS ALOT man. I am going to check into that tomorrow.

[rossi_90]

Hi I had both my total testosterone and free testosterone checked recently
and found both to be low. I have started to wear the ROP along with
taking Triibulus, LongJack, and DHEA, which also was low. I want to increase my free testosterone, which is what you really should be concerned with. The typical Internal Medicine MD is not up to speed on Male Hormone Modudulation.
I am a member of the life Extension Foundation and follow many of their
recommendations. This article on Male Hormone Modulation may be of
interest to you as it was for me.
http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcl-130.shtml

[Ulcasterdropout]

[lm2]

A recommended dose for post cycle recovery with 6-OXO was something like:

Week 1: 6 pills 600 mg
Week 2: 4 pills 400 mg
Week 3: 3 pills 300 mg
Week 4: 2 pills 200 mg

That would take two bottles, and you'd have 15 extra pills to use howerver you want. Unfortunately, 6-OXO is a little pricey at 29/bottle. And I know this situation isn't the same as it would be if you had taken prohormones, but there are no real guide lines for recovering from ring of power testosterone supression.

I'm going to be running it in a stand alone dose for 6 weeks, but that's a pricier option.

[Jason1]

The ROP gave me horrible acne. In my mind it is a stupid idea.

[REDZULU2003]

I thought the ROP was a miracle cure for men with low test'? its supposed to give you bull balls, and test off the scale when tested!!! what went wrong???

[jakb]

I thought the ROP was a miracle cure for men with low test'? its supposed to give you bull balls, and test off the scale when tested!!! what went wrong???

I believe I sense sarcasm, but not sure. :)

Regardless I have a theory, IMO if your test is already high then I believe that it will do nothing or be detrimental. Because your body is already producing at a high rate. This means your body doesnt need help producing it. It is already efficient at it. SOmetimes wehn you try to make things more efficient you end up doing exactly the opposite.

For those with low test I believe it is possible to increase the test, BUT I think that if you wear it too long that you are going to end up frying what results you could get. Your nervous system can only handle so much stimulus before it alters it, most times negatively. Too much sugar in a cake doesnt necessarily make it taste better. PLUS, if you look at the Blakoe ring(who Im assuming has done ALOT more research then any of us have) it has less metal and produces less voltage. Which logically thinking would be better for you. They also dont mention people with higher test levels wearing it.

I dont know really, but those random/scattered thoughts make sense to me.

[REDZULU2003]

Nah man, I wasnt being sarcastic to you.
I just feel alot of this ROP stuff is BULLSHIT and dont want people to be fooled into fucking about with a waste of space product.
You Know ALOT more than the guy who made them IMHO anyways, when it comes to test and all that sort of stuff.
I just feel the ROP only works for SOME guys, and than I dunno why? maybe like you say, low test guys may be better with this .... if your normal than it might not work well or at all.
Anothething, someone pointed out ... Tom Hubbards ring touched the actual balls, where as this ROP doesnt, it goes around the whole package ... maybe this is fuckin the results????

[lm2]

I really hope I didn't fry my levels with the ring of power and medication... Last December, I got a test done and it was at 700ng/dl, but I got my blood drawn at 12:30pm which is not the ideal time so it may have really been higher.

I found this post on another forum:

"...when testing testosterone levels, blood should be drawn in the early morning hours. Basically, you should have had it drawn at 8:00am -- as soon as the lab opened. For the test to be accurate, it would also require that you be used to getting up by this time. Levels fall dramatically throughout the day, particularly free testosterone. Many doctors are not even aware of this. Countless thousands of people go in at the wrong time of day to have their blood drawn and get false readings.

Also, having an irregular sleep schedule can seriously disrupt testosterone release, which is believed to be mediated by circadian rhythms. If you're one of those people going to bed at different times each night or staying up until 4:00am this could be a problem. Men with SAD (seasonal effective disorder) have problems with this as well, although this is not the time of year that causes problems. Basically, circadian rhythms get disrupted, there is inadequate exposure to morning light, etc. Going to bed early (by 11:00pm) and getting up by 8:00am is important. Staying up late and sleeping in late messes up a long list of hormone levels. Having a fluctuating sleep schedule from day to day is even worse..."

[jakb]

I knew your sarcasm wasnt directed towards me. :)

IMO The ROP has a place, but not for me or others that already have high test levels.

As for placing the ROP exclusively on your nuts. Although I didnt wear it this way, the ROP still had an effect negatively and it probably would have been worse if worn around my testes only, as they are definitely more sensitive to stimulus.

[REDZULU2003]

Staying up late and sleeping in late messes up a long list of hormone levels. Having a fluctuating sleep schedule from day to day is even worse..."

I dont belive that part word for word from that quote Im2.

[lm2]

Well, I'm pretty sure that the part about 8:00am being the best time to have blood drawn is accurate. I've read several other items that state something to that effect. As for the screwed up schedule/constantly changing sleep patterns, I think it may have some effect if done to the extreme - but that's more of a speculation.

[gorillaunit]

About the time I started PE(March), I had my testosterone checked. At the time it measured at 871 ng/dl. This number is high and above their normal chart parameters which stops at 827 ng/dl.

For about 2 months I wore the ROP 24 hours/day, then about a month ago I changed that and started to wear it only when sleeping. After the 1st week I was sure that my test. levels had increased as my weights that I lift went up and I felt really good. This feeling only lasted a week and then never returned. I kept thinking as time progressed "why are these weights seem to be getting heavier, what happened to that feeling I had when I first put on the ROP." I started to wonder if the results were positive only because I deeply wanted and hoped they would be. After 3 months I then decided to check my test. levels again.

Monday 8/3/2004: I again had my testosterone checked as I wanted to see what effect the ROP had on it. After 3 months of wearing the ROP my testosterone has dropped 125 points down to 746 ng/dl. Almost a 15% drop. This is a pretty dramatic result and the Dr. asked what could be the reason for the dramatic drop. He asked about steroid use and coming off of them. My truthful response was, "never taken them, never will." His response was "hmmm, odd results then."

Along with this my workouts have been more difficult to complete. The weights I use have decreased. I feel tired alot and I may for the 1st time in my life be experiencing depression. All of which are symptoms of decreasing test. levels.

So needless to say I am no longer going to be wearing the ROP. To those who are getting good results with it, I am very happy for you and wish you the best. But I also want those who are wearing them to re-evaluate how they are feeling and get your testosterone levels checked.

may i ask how old you are? also, what were your free testosterone levels? total test really doesn't mean very much.
btw, may i also ask why you had these tests done? was it just curiosity?

[jakb]

may i ask how old you are? also, what were your free testosterone levels? total test really doesn't mean very much.
btw, may i also ask why you had these tests done? was it just curiosity?

I am 30. Didnt get free test results. I had the first test done because Im also an avid weightlifter and wanted to know. Plus my doc was doing routine tests cholesterol etc, so I asked for that one to be thrown in there.

[TimBo755]

I will be getting my test results back this week, I have been wearing the rop for 4 months..though I do not have test results from before I started using the rop but I will let you guys know.. :)

[gorillaunit]

I am 30. Didnt get free test results. I had the first test done because Im also an avid weightlifter and wanted to know. Plus my doc was doing routine tests cholesterol etc, so I asked for that one to be thrown in there.

first of all, general physicians usually don't know much about endocrinology. secondly, that drop you saw, which isn't extremely substantial, doesn't mean much unless we see your free test levels as well. he (your doctor) should have known this. even with the decrease, your total test levels are still quite high especially for your age. the drop could be a result of one or many different things such as akward sleep patterns, stress, overtraining in the gym, irregular or poor calorie restricted diets to name a few.

[jakb]

As far as docs not knowing everything, that is very correct. As for how I feel now compared to then, there is a HUGE difference.

At the time I got the 1st test done I will give you some background info as to what was happening/not happening in my life.

1)Girlfriend of 2 yrs and I broke up. Of course with this comes the stress, fighting and sadness of it ending. No sex, masturbation happening or even desired. Contributes to lower test.
2)Food then becomes less desirable due to breakup. Also during a time I decded to stop eating beef. Contributes to lower test.
3)Sleep patterns very erratic, lot of traveling. As you said contributes to lower test.
4)Workouts literally non existent. Shoulder messed up from rock climbing which of course then I couldnt climb either. No workout equals lower test.
5) This also was before the days of PE. PE of course will increase test.
6) Other variants that are neg. that Im not getting into that were out of control. (Bills, etc)

Even with all of these factors my total test score was 871.

Now:
1)Dating an awesome girl of which I have sex with everyday, also no stress involved with this one. Increase in test.
2)Started eating beef again, eating patterns on target. Increase in test.
3)Sleep is less erratic, less travel and no bs fights to keep me up. Increase in test.
4)Workouts 4x week. Rock climbing once maybe twice a week. Increase in test.
5) PE with testicle treats which of course is a boost in test.

Now you would think that my test would be closer to 1000 if you look at all the positive versus negative variants. But for some reason NO.

The ONLY different variant is the ROP. Which I wore religiously.

Makes me think.

[gorillaunit]

As far as docs not knowing everything, that is very correct. As for how I feel now compared to then, there is a HUGE difference.

At the time I got the 1st test done I will give you some background info as to what was happening/not happening in my life.

1)Girlfriend of 2 yrs and I broke up. Of course with this comes the stress, fighting and sadness of it ending. No sex, masturbation happening or even desired. Contributes to lower test.
2)Food then becomes less desirable due to breakup. Also during a time I decded to stop eating beef. Contributes to lower test.
3)Sleep patterns very erratic, lot of traveling. As you said contributes to lower test.
4)Workouts literally non existent. Shoulder messed up from rock climbing which of course then I couldnt climb either. No workout equals lower test.
5) This also was before the days of PE. PE of course will increase test.
6) Other variants that are neg. that Im not getting into that were out of control. (Bills, etc)

Even with all of these factors my total test score was 871.

Now:
1)Dating an awesome girl of which I have sex with everyday, also no stress involved with this one. Increase in test.
2)Started eating beef again, eating patterns on target. Increase in test.
3)Sleep is less erratic, less travel and no bs fights to keep me up. Increase in test.
4)Workouts 4x week. Rock climbing once maybe twice a week. Increase in test.
5) PE with testicle treats which of course is a boost in test.

Now you would think that my test would be closer to 1000 if you look at all the positive versus negative variants. But for some reason NO.

The ONLY different variant is the ROP. Which I wore religiously.

Makes me think.


i see your point and logic. also, i'm not sure if you are thinking i am supporting, backing, or defending the ROP b/c believe me i am not. as a matter of fact, i don't own one and never will.

now to get back to the discussion, like i said before, free testosterone results are really what's important in determining if your body has decreased the amount of test it's using or getting so to speak. your total may have decreased, but for all we know the free or available amount could have increased. we just don't and won't know unless you retake the tests this time with free test included.

another possibility could be bad timing of the second test. maybe you were stressed and having a few bad days prior to the test? maybe you were drinking alcohol soon before the test? maybe you masturbated or had sex to close to the test (which temporarily lowers levels) or maybe it was the time of day you had it taken? are you on any new medications (some common meds can lower test levels)? furthermore, at around age 30 test levels do start to gradually decrease (although some would argue this). who knows, it could be a combination of the above or maybe something i didn't mention. or maybe you're right. maybe it was the ROP. since i know very little about the ROP, tell me, does it compress or squish the testes at all?

there are so many factors and possibilities that all i'm doing right now is speculation. we'll never know for sure. i'm just trying to share my knowledge with you. and i also like playing devil's advocate. :P

[lm2]

Even if free testosterone levels are the most important, as you say, I would be pretty alarmed if my total test dropped by 125 points and lifting weights became alot harder. I just sincerely hope that jackb's situation will be resolved at some point.

[jakb]

i see your point and logic. also, i'm not sure if you are thinking i am supporting, backing, or defending the ROP b/c believe me i am not. as a matter of fact, i don't own one and never will.

now to get back to the discussion, like i said before, free testosterone results are really what's important in determining if your body has decreased the amount of test it's using or getting so to speak. your total may have decreased, but for all we know the free or available amount could have increased. we just don't and won't know unless you retake the tests this time with free test included.

another possibility could be bad timing of the second test. maybe you were stressed and having a few bad days prior to the test? maybe you were drinking alcohol soon before the test? maybe you masturbated or had sex to close to the test (which temporarily lowers levels) or maybe it was the time of day you had it taken? are you on any new medications (some common meds can lower test levels)? furthermore, at around age 30 test levels do start to gradually decrease (although some would argue this). who knows, it could be a combination of the above or maybe something i didn't mention. or maybe you're right. maybe it was the ROP. since i know very little about the ROP, tell me, does it compress or squish the testes at all?

there are so many factors and possibilities that all i'm doing right now is speculation. we'll never know for sure. i'm just trying to share my knowledge with you. and i also like playing devil's advocate. :P

Ok gorilla(devils addie) :) you will have to come up with some more new material. I had the test done on a Monday (after a relaxing weekend) about the same time I had the 1st test done. I dont drink, smoke, or do drugs and didnt masturbate or have sex that day prior to the test. No new meds. The free test could be higher and the ratios just changed BUT then I would assume that I wouldnt notice a strength decrease, depression, or generally lagging feeling.

The ROP can elevate the testes if the tubing gets under the nuts incorrectly. Which then presses them higher up your body. Which of course then doesnt allow them to cool down as much as may be needed. This is a possibility why some test would be lowered.

Im2 Got the 6 oxo. Will let you know how it goes. Too soon to tell for me. I have noticed feeling slightly better but of course it is the weekend :)

[gorillaunit]

Ok gorilla(devils addie) :) you will have to come up with some more new material. I had the test done on a Monday (after a relaxing weekend) about the same time I had the 1st test done. I dont drink, smoke, or do drugs and didnt masturbate or have sex that day prior to the test. No new meds. The free test could be higher and the ratios just changed BUT then I would assume that I wouldnt notice a strength decrease, depression, or generally lagging feeling.

The ROP can elevate the testes if the tubing gets under the nuts incorrectly. Which then presses them higher up your body. Which of course then doesnt allow them to cool down as much as may be needed. This is a possibility why some test would be lowered.

Im2 Got the 6 oxo. Will let you know how it goes. Too soon to tell for me. I have noticed feeling slightly better but of course it is the weekend :)

where you wearing boxers the first time and briefs the second? just kidding.

i give up. there's no way to tell. if all your info that you've told me so far is accurate and the two testing times in your life were as opposite as night and day, it would seem that the ROP was at fault. but let me just say that the feelings you experienced and the strength you lost could also be caused by many things, excluding the ROP. i don't want to speculate on that too, but maybe it was all in your head.

in conclusion (lol), you're probably right. if the ROP was interfering with the body's natural cooling mechanisms for the testes, then it could very well have caused the decrease. the ROP may have left its mark on your sperm as well. it would be interesting to see the results of a sperm test as well. if there was a discrepancy with the results for that test too, then we could be even surer.

[ecstasis]

I'm curious as to what your RoP looked like, as well as what voltage you were getting from it. Could you please post some pics and voltage amounts if you have any?

Also, I built my own ring.

I find it interesting that Tom Hubbard's site has this ring up there for free, for anyone to check out. If it didn't work, I doubt it would be up there, and considering most of what he has on that site is kid-tested mother-approved (:P), I don't think that he'd put some bullshit device up there, including the schematics. Yeah, actually his site is mostly pretty simple and widely known PE techniques available for free.

Personal opinion: Tom and all of his supporters have a better way of making/utilizing this product than Supra and his knockoffs have had. I'm wearing a hyrid "Blakoe Ring," using 4 pieces of metal instead of 2. I'll post more results as I notice them. The only positive result I have seen was a couple extra spurts of semen, nothing completely out of the ordinary.

My opinion on this issue: Concept > Supra

The concept may be great, but if a product is designed incorrectly...well, I think you see where I am going here.

[AncientChina]

I think jakb, has done us all a great favor, the need for questioning him seems almost pointless, because of the simple fact that his use of the ROP did not increase his testoserone levels at all, I know his test levels fell a bit, but the point is they did not increase, by the "super powers" of the ROP.

I really don't need anymore answers than this, I will say its a bit of a shame that I had not used my mind months ago, because the ROP is 100% bullshit. It is a piece of useless zinc and copper rodded shit. Hell, it looks great on paper, and like anything it can sure lure in the happy and hopeful users...but on execution its crap.

By the way Jakb, I have noticed one other guy reported to me, that during the first week with the ROP he felt great, and right after that it dropped off, it was basically just mind over matter, and it was more of a mental thing than anything else, wanting it to work.

I fail to understand how you guys can ask very intelligent questions concerning the test results and jakb's experience, but when it comes to the actual philosophy of the ROP no one seems as hard on the facts. I mean the ROP's main selling point is the delivery of Zinc into the body, but we don't even know if the Zinc passes through the skin and to the testes...and furthermore its just Zinc, nothing special, the bio-electrical argument I think is unproven and bull......I have yet to see any evidence or anyone coming back and reporting high test levels after the use of the ROP. The only one was Supra, but at that time he was on IGF-1, Clomid and a bunch of shit.

ecstasis, how is Supra's ring a knock off? He got all of his directions for making it from the Tom Hubbard site. Anyone who has made a ROP here, has gotten the directions to a T from the Tom Hubbard site, its the same ring and the same principle. By the way I doubt it even matters if you use 2 rods or 4 rods, and I doubt its an issue of design, I think the concept itself is bullshit. Hell I even think the Blakoe Ring is "new age" bullshit and is yet another piece of useless shit to tie around your dick. :D

Fuck the ROP. I will stick to my Clamping, heating pad, and actual effective means of Natural Penis Enlargement. If the ROP even worked it wouldn't help in the gains in penis size at all. The ROP also works on the issue of "constriction" which you can account for your morning wood and maybe even larger volumes of semen, not some "magical electronic zinc power."

PS. I wouldn't call what Supra made "knockoffs", they were legit, its just that the concept of the ROP doesn't work. And where are the hard hitting studies on the ROP. Even the Blakoe site is pretty blank with studies. The ROP has a strong mental "oh boy its got to work" effect on the user, I think that itself is more powerful than the ROP is. :D

[REDZULU2003]

Brilliant post AC.

[jakb]

Amen AC!! It seems as though most people want SO much to believe in it that they cant allow any negative thoughts about it. Interesting.

[gorillaunit]

the ROP is 100% bullshit.

well said. i comport completely.


The only one was Supra, but at that time he was on IGF-1, Clomid and a bunch of shit.

what a joke!! i didn't know Supra was on clomid when he got his test levels tested! did no one else know that clomid has been shown to increase test levels tremendously? many fine studies have been done on this. wow, what a joke!

[AncientChina]

well said. i comport completely.



what a joke!! i didn't know Supra was on clomid when he got his test levels tested! did no one else know that clomid has been shown to increase test levels tremendously? many fine studies have been done on this. wow, what a joke!

Yes I agree, nothing against Supra I consider him a good friend, but if the ROP was so effective and so great in it's use and just the "greatest PE tool ever", then why did he supplement with a wide array of other stuff, like pro-hormones/steroids? Why mess with IGF at the same time of using the ROP if the ROP was the end all, be all of effective test boosting products.

Now that I have seen the effect the ROP has had on MOS, I get a bit bugged by it, I reached a limit of clarification and I really can't just let this bullshit slide anymore, its total bullshit. Its like some "new age" nonsense, and someone telling me to use magic healing crystals on my penis, and to wear a healing crystal dangling from my shaft. The ROP has no science behind it, its not even worth the money for the parts. I would like to distinguish this annoying and previlent trend.

If I was selling them for $55. bucks I would tell you that it would make you able to fly too. $55 bucks for a piece of Zinc, Copper, and two pieces of latex, hell right there is a HUGE profit, but you can't sell it without getting it pumped. Those pieces together all cost around $11 bucks at the most. You really think while bodybuilders are laying down 1,000's of bucks on 'roids that the better answer is in a $10 dollar ring you wear around your cock, and "never runs out of energy"? Hah, bullshit. :D By what I said I meant nothing against Supra directly.

Fact is, the ROP was immensely overhyped, overrated, over sold, and the facts were so skewed its not even funny, its sad and it should have never happen. The ROP has no use here, its just one of those many fake gimmicks that we have complained about, like penis pills. These gimmicks and people who buy into them, even those who use penis pills and believe in them sometimes think it does make them bigger. Fact is there is no short cut when it comes to PE, and penis pills and ROP's are too good to be true. We often have showed our anger towards Penis Pills and other scams, well, I feel the ROP is a scam. Not as effecting and widespread but a scam nontheless.

Don't waste your time guys if you are short on cash, spend it on effective tools, hell lube is better than buying/making one of these. If the ROP was so great, how come with all of the guys who have used it here, none of them have had size gains from it and furthermore the reports and reactions are just dull. So what if you grew more hair on your shaft...what does that have to do with anything? If you have to look for signs of the ROP working there is a problem.....In a nutshell, I think the ROP doesn't do shit, nothing! Not a damn thing at all, I think a rubber band would be just as effective, because of the "constriction" effect which is all it does. You actually think its the under 1 volt of shit electricty that gives you the morning wood, or is it the fact that there is more blood coming in than out? Wonder why you get more erections with the ROP? It's again the "constriction effect" your flaccid will hang heavier, because there is more blood going in than going out, and a fuller flaccid is more sensitive = more erections. On another point a lot of gimmicks and scams try to use the excuse of not being able to explain something as a reason why it works. This issue about the ROP and its bio-electrical effects is just that.

It's not hard to figure..... The only thing I feel guilty about is believing in the hype, I mean we were so hard on fake items out there, when I first read about the ROP I thought it was total bullshit, then I used it didn't see a change but believed the hype, then it clicked and I woke up and realized it was just a piece of false shit. If you guys want a safe and effective way to raise your test levels buy some ZMA and some Tribulus....because the ROP will not raise your test levels at all.

PS. The Tom Hubbard Blakoe ring, was tested on Thunder's and there is a huge post about it, this was before the hype of the "ROP" and before the ROP actually came to MOS, their reviews of the Blakoe ring after trying it were so dull and nonconvincing most of the guys cited that they didn't "feel shit" and it didn't have an effect, mind you this is before the hype of the ring at all, I take those opinions into account even more so, than the one's here. The offical ROP thread here is a case study in collective manipulative thought.

Sooner or later like Penis Pills the ROP will be put to rest, by the majority in the PE community...thankfully. :D

[AncientChina]

Amen AC!! It seems as though most people want SO much to believe in it that they cant allow any negative thoughts about it. Interesting.

Thanks jakb and Red and Gorilla.

Yeah, I don't mean to crush anyone's dreams, but I am not trying to sell these guys something, I am trying to look out for them, and make sure they don't waste their money and more imporantly their time on something that will give them nothing. But I digress because people will still fall for gimmicks, hell at one point I did. I also think the ROP has dragged down MOS a bit, sure we are known for different PE techniques but would like to avoid the obvious bullshit gimmicks.

They may not want to hear it, but its best they hear it now, instead of 6 months down the road when they are still dangling that piece of shit around their dick hoping it will "kick in soon". :D

Thanks for all of the studying, testing, and work you put into your thread jakb, it means a lot to a lot of people here... Great job man, and I mean that! :cool:

[jakb]

When I first posted this, I was quite surprised at the lack of support it was given. I felt like Christopher Columbus must have when he said the earth was round. What surprised me the most was that I did what MOST people wearing the ROP did not. I actually had my testosterone checked before wearing it and after wearing it for about 3 months. It decreased and I now know it was THE ROP THAT DID IT.

After not wearing it, I am starting to feel myself getting back to normal. My moods are becoming better, my strength is returning, Im not as tired as much, my hunger is returning. As Im writing this and realizing exactly how negatively the ROP affected me. I am noticing that I am getting pissed off that I wore it for so long because "other" people got such "great" results. The damn thing was FUCKING me up. <--- Bitterness coming out there.

Here are questions you are asked if you feel that you testosterone is low...

While a blood or saliva test is a more accurate way of establishing your levels of testosterone, you can also use The Saint Louis University Androgen Deficiency in Aging Men (ADAM) Questionnaire. Dr. John Morley, a researcher with the Saint Louis University School of Medicine, developed the self-screening tool to help identify symptoms of low testosterone in men. Choose the responses below that best describe how you have been feeling.

1. Do you have a decrease in libido (sex drive)?
2. Do you have a lack of energy?
3. Do you have a decrease in strength and/or endurance?
4. Have you lost height?
5. Have you noticed a decreased "enjoyment of life"?
6. Are you sad and/or grumpy?
7. Are your erections less strong?
8. Have you noticed a deterioration in your ability to play sports?
9. Are you falling asleep after dinner?
10. Has there been a recent deterioration in your work performance?

If you answer yes to question one or seven, or at least three of the other questions you may have low testosterone levels.

I could answer yes to almost all of those after wearing that fucking thing. Still a little bitter. It can no longer be said that it was anything but the ROP that did it as I am continually on a progressive climb up into feeling better and stronger now that I am not wearing it.

So I in return want to thank the ones that have made me feel like Im not crazy. IM2 for recommending 6 oxo, it has helped dramatically. Red for your support, you are very looked up to and your opinions are well thought of. Gorilla for playing devils addie and lastly AC for your well thought out and educated posts on this subject. :) :)

[yamaha12]

ive known that this ring was bullshit for awhile now-------

[jakb]

You would be one of the few. So what clued you in?

[AncientChina]

Great post jakb, I was thinking of making this thread into a PDF file, there is a lot of good facts and such people should read.

I also agree that you have the right to be bitter, everything that was promised to you and others about the ROP, was just hearsay, none of it was ever proven, I feel it was very irresponsible to bring hte ROP to MOS under a cloud of total hype and failed promises. It was a huge waste of time and energy, and in your case too.

I also agree, its tough to come out with posts like this if you don't have the backing of other members initially, I wish I saw this earlier. Other's spent months trying to convince the guys here that it worked and when you posted everyone probably just wanted to shun it.

[koooky]

I have a question. Since you guys are saying this whole thing is/was a fraud, do you think those that purchased one should receive a refund maybe minus the actual cost of the materials? Also, do you guys think the ROP would have some use for those men who have very low T from the start?

Anyway, just a few questions that hit me while following this thread

koooky

[AncientChina]

I have a question. Since you guys are saying this whole thing is/was a fraud, do you think those that purchased one should receive a refund maybe minus the actual cost of the materials? Also, do you guys think the ROP would have some use for those men who have very low T from the start?

Anyway, just a few questions that hit me while following this thread

koooky

If I had low testoserone I would not rely on the ROP for my Zinc. The fact is we don't even know if the ROP delivers Zinc to the body. My guess would be no, it does not. Firstly how do we know it's delievered to the testes? Secondly there is a HUGE difference between the actual mineral Zinc and "Zinc Ions". What the hell are Zinc Ions going to do? Really what in the name of all science are Zinc atoms that pass through your testes going to do? Its not the Mineral Zinc. On the Blakoe site do they even state that Zinc is even supposed to pass through the body? Huh? I don't think they even do. The Zinc argument I believe was created to sell more rings. Where is this evidence of Zinc absorption through bio-electricity. Its hogwash. Why would the Zinc then deicde to stop at hte testes. Wouldn't it JUST pass throught if it works like an electrical current, what would hold it back? Nothing.

If I was a guy with low test. I would take ZMA 30 minutes before sleep and Tribulus any time of the day. I would not depend on this "device" that doesn't do shit and the more I think about the more bitter I become by it like jakb had mentioneed.

[AncientChina]

I have a question. Since you guys are saying this whole thing is/was a fraud, do you think those that purchased one should receive a refund maybe minus the actual cost of the materials? Also, do you guys think the ROP would have some use for those men who have very low T from the start?

Anyway, just a few questions that hit me while following this thread

koooky

Not sure about the refund part, I doubt you could get them, those who purchased them here probably bought them from Supra, and there is probably a no refund policy he has.....It's not possible to get a refund at this time. I would just take it as a expensive lesson learned, buyer beware.

I do think that the cult like activity around the ROP, almost made the investment seem safe, I mean every guy said they had some sort of results.....the good thing is that it should end soon or at least others will get to see the flip side......If it was a business like the Blakoe site, I think you may have been able to get a refund.

It's not that I agree or disagree with a refund but at this point I think its just impossible and some of the responsibility falls with the buyer.

[jakb]

Thanks AC,

If you want to make a file of it, go for it.

I would love it if people would get a testosterone test before wearing it if they are sure they are going to wear it. Then there will be no guessing.

[AncientChina]

Thanks AC,

If you want to make a file of it, go for it.

I would love it if people would get a testosterone test before wearing it if they are sure they are going to wear it. Then there will be no guessing.

That would also be great, I would love to see more people test this out for furthermore evidence. I am sure there would either be no change at all, or a slight drop. One or the other, but facts speak louder than opinions I guess.

Anyone up for it? :D

[Bryson]

AncientChina and Redzulu2003, have you guys actually tried the ROP? I respect both your opinions when it comes to PE but it's pretty lame to be bashing the ROP if you haven't even tried it. Ask yourself, if 90% of people say something works don't you think there's a reason? I'm a weightlifter too and decreasing test levels are definately a concern but since jakb didn't get his free test levels checked then the test is inconculsive. Although I have yet to get my test levels checked, I DO notice a difference when I wear my ROP which I wear 24/7. Better moods and increased strength etc...

Also I want to clear up some stuff AC said. Although there's been talk about the zinc ions being beneficial, I think it's more the electrical current produced by the zinc and copper, stimulating the balls therefore increasing testosterone and sperm count. Another thing is that the ROP increases your body's natural testosterone levles(endogenous) while steroids increases your testosterone levels beyond what it is capable of producing(exogenous). That's why bodybuilder's take roids and GH. However I sincerely believe that the ROP would be used by any bodybuilder coming off a cycle trying to get his test level up along with an anti-estrogen but unfortunately it's just not mainstream yet unlike in the PE circles. ZMA is also used to increase natural test levels because zinc is needed for the production of testosterone. As for tribulus, I don't think it's been proven to raise test levels. I just wanted to clear that up before YOU become the one spreading around the bullshit.

[AncientChina]

Zinc being passed through the balls? Impossible. Here is my post in another thread about it.



Furthermore what are Zinc Ions supposed to do?

Zinc is a mineral, Minerals themselves DO NOT flow with electricity, meaning you wouldn't get the whole mineral Zinc, just it's electrons are shot through your balls if they indeed even pass through.

Further more most people where the ROP, under their sack, it doesn't pass through the testes at all. It goes up behind them, unless you wear it around the balls but that is besides the point, you can't transport minerals by electrical conductivity. If I am wrong please let me know, and explain how the mineral Zinc can be electrically transported by a negative energy caused by the Copper. I love a good debate. :D

I don't even think Zinc was the selling point to the ROP, it was created here as part of the B/S spin. The selling point was the electricity....Blakoe is too prominent of a site to make that claim...at least I think.

[AncientChina]

AncientChina and Redzulu2003, have you guys actually tried the ROP? I respect both your opinions when it comes to PE but it's pretty lame to be bashing the ROP if you haven't even tried it. Ask yourself, if 90% of people say something works don't you think there's a reason? I'm a weightlifter too and decreasing test levels are definately a concern but since jakb didn't get his free test levels checked then the test is inconculsive. Although I have yet to get my test levels checked, I DO notice a difference when I wear my ROP which I wear 24/7. Better moods and increased strength etc...



What are you talking about? Did you even read this thread? I gave the ROP a fair and honest shot for 3 months straight. I used the ROP.

Tell ya' what when you get those before and after levels checked I will listen further, have you not read about the cult like effect this has had, you take a device (the blakoe ring) that totally bombed at thunder's because it has no bullshit gimmick behind it, then you bring it over here months later and boost it up and hype it up and then sell it for 60 bucks a pop, and you don't think this has a mental effect on people?

Its a huge mental effect, look at the changes people note, they are things that I notice on a daily occurence, I have also heard from many users that after a week their "effects" wan off completely. Again mind over matter.

[AncientChina]

Also I want to clear up some stuff AC said. Although there's been talk about the zinc ions being beneficial, I think it's more the electrical current produced by the zinc and copper, stimulating the balls therefore increasing testosterone and sperm count. Another thing is that the ROP increases your body's natural testosterone levles(endogenous) while steroids increases your testosterone levels beyond what it is capable of producing(exogenous). That's why bodybuilder's take roids and GH. However I sincerely believe that the ROP would be used by any bodybuilder coming off a cycle trying to get his test level up along with an anti-estrogen but unfortunately it's just not mainstream yet unlike in the PE circles. ZMA is also used to increase natural test levels because zinc is needed for the production of testosterone. As for tribulus, I don't think it's been proven to raise test levels. I just wanted to clear that up before YOU become the one spreading around the bullshit.

Have you not read any of the posts here from Supra and other ROP believers? Supra made the bold claim that "Electricty was not the main effect but the greatest effect comes from the Zinc".

Tribulus has been proven to raise test levels, if you want to view one of the many actual research reports on it I can show you. You have not provided any proof to me at all, because there is no proof, I think I have a better understanding of how the ROP "works", I also believe and no offense that you have been caught up in the mental aspect of it. It sure seems like a cool idea, strap a cool looking metal object onto your package and receive benefits.....only problem is...it doesn't work.

How do you know that "electricity" stimulates the balls? How do you know that electricty is even good for your balls, and furthmore don't you think sperm/semen is a bit too sensitive for that?

I believe many of the benefits of bigger semen loads and morning wood lies within the constriction of blood effect....

[Bryson]

I did read this thread and I didn't see you mention anything about having tried the ROP. Although here is a post I found by you just now...


The way how I can always tell that the ROP was working for me was I would get slight acne.....almost invisible as I never had a problem with acne etc.....

Its not always easy to tell though, another thing is I notice you do not wear it when you sleep, still you should be getting some benefit from this, do you hve a standard ROP? Don't rule out taking something like Tribulus which has been shown too naturally boost testoserone by 41%, me and Wants9 were talking about it yesterday, its very cheap stuff too btw.....

Still give the ROP a bit more time, and really think about any differences that you may have missed. Me love my ROP.

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/pro-hormones/tribulus-terrestris-facts.htm


Why would you say it works and now change your mind? Honestly, I am REALLY not trying to bash you but here are my opnions on why it might work for some and not others. First of all if you have naturally high test levels then the ROP might not do anything for you. Personally I suffer from low test levels and the ROP helps ME. Secondly for those of you that say the ROP stops working after a week, how many of you actually clean the ROP religiously atleast once a week? Obviously if the ROP is dirty it won't produce as much voltage and not work as well. Just my 2 cents.

[AncientChina]

It's not about the cleanliness of the ROP, many users said they never cleaned their's and never reported any decrease or increase in any stimuli. I was talking about the mental effect.

Bryson, I am glad you found that post of mine, I saw no effects of the ROP, it was mind over matter, it was me believing in it so bad, that I actually thought that my jaw muscles were an indicator of good results.....I truly felt nothing, but it was mostly mental, I never questioned it, or cared enough to sit back and think about it. I also consider Supra a friend and thought it would be "injust" for me to question the ROP.

I have yet to hear anyone explain in any other way how the ROP works? Those opposed to my thinking say it does work, but they can never explain why.

[jakb]

AncientChina and Redzulu2003, have you guys actually tried the ROP? I respect both your opinions when it comes to PE but it's pretty lame to be bashing the ROP if you haven't even tried it. Ask yourself, if 90% of people say something works don't you think there's a reason? I'm a weightlifter too and decreasing test levels are definately a concern but since jakb didn't get his free test levels checked then the test is inconculsive. Although I have yet to get my test levels checked, I DO notice a difference when I wear my ROP which I wear 24/7. Better moods and increased strength etc...

Also I want to clear up some stuff AC said. Although there's been talk about the zinc ions being beneficial, I think it's more the electrical current produced by the zinc and copper, stimulating the balls therefore increasing testosterone and sperm count. Another thing is that the ROP increases your body's natural testosterone levles(endogenous) while steroids increases your testosterone levels beyond what it is capable of producing(exogenous). That's why bodybuilder's take roids and GH. However I sincerely believe that the ROP would be used by any bodybuilder coming off a cycle trying to get his test level up along with an anti-estrogen but unfortunately it's just not mainstream yet unlike in the PE circles. ZMA is also used to increase natural test levels because zinc is needed for the production of testosterone. As for tribulus, I don't think it's been proven to raise test levels. I just wanted to clear that up before YOU become the one spreading around the bullshit.

Bryson,

I am also an avid weightlifter and a personal trainer. Although I did not have my free test levels checked, yes my screw up, hindsight is 20/20. I think you need to reread my posts. Although the free tests werent taken, almost EVERY symptom of decreasing test levels occurred in my life after the 1st week. So to call the testing inconclusive when there was a 125 point drop and SYMPTOMS doesnt make sense.

I did notice a difference when I 1st wore it. That effect lasted a week and then it was downhill from there. After that it was a mental game of me struggling to understand and desperately trying to believe that the ROP was working for me and not causing all the negative side effects. I expected my test levels to be higher when I got the test results back. Not the case.

My opinion is it might work for some people, some people really want to believe its working(but it isnt) and others it has a VERY negative affect on. I think that every one that is going to wear it should have their test levels taken prior to and 3 months after wearing it to know which one they are. My opinion is that if it is worn that it should be worn for a limited time like a cycle of steroids. You obviously know that if you constantly cycle it is going to have a VERY negative affect on you. Why would you constantly "cycle" with the ROP if in fact it is increasing your natural test levels? Your body would still then become dependent on it.

I have read from posts that people with really low test got benefits from it and the people with normal to high tests experienced little to nothing to negative.

Until its tested for each individual I think that the ROP can be dangerous. I wish I had my 3 months of wearing it back.

PS I cleaned it every 2-3 days.

[Bryson]

Have you not read any of the posts here from Supra and other ROP believers? Supra made the bold claim that "Electricty was not the main effect but the greatest effect comes from the Zinc".

Tribulus has been proven to raise test levels, if you want to view one of the many actual research reports on it I can show you. You have not provided any proof to me at all, because there is no proof, I think I have a better understanding of how the ROP "works", I also believe and no offense that you have been caught up in the mental aspect of it. It sure seems like a cool idea, strap a cool looking metal object onto your package and receive benefits.....only problem is...it doesn't work.

How do you know that "electricity" stimulates the balls? How do you know that electricty is even good for your balls, and furthmore don't you think sperm/semen is a bit too sensitive for that?

I believe many of the benefits of bigger semen loads and morning wood lies within the constriction of blood effect....

I've been away from MoS and PE for awhile. I just wanted to comment when I read your posts which sounded irrational and like you had a vendetta. Your right, I have no proof yet on whether the ROP works or doesn't work, but then again neither do you. It's definately no miracle cure but I do believe it has it's uses and benefits. I have no idea whether electricity is good for the balls or not and personally I wish I knew lol.

You bring up an interesting point about the morning wood being attributed to the constriction of blood effect. However, I notice a markable difference between a clean ROP and a dirty ROP so there has to be something else going on there. Also I've tried tribulus before and all it did was make me fucking horny! :P

[AncientChina]

Bryson I fully agree with you thinking I sounded as if I have a Vendetta out. Believe it or not, a lot of my posts lately just sound like that, I don't want the ROP banned and I will not make it my lifes work or something. :D

I just want guys to get a sip of the truth, and there are a few articles out there about the Blakoe Ring and it being b/s. I sound like that as I grew tired of all of the lies being fed, and I just had a lot of information to say, and I just have a weird way of making posts...it sounds very pushy at times, for that I apologize. And I thank you for questioning/debating me. I always love a good debate, mate.

I agree with you on the Tribulus, sure lets Mr. Happy out a lot.

[Bryson]

AncientChina, it is I who thank you for the debate mate. I respect your opinion and agree that nobody should take something as truth just on blind faith. Scientific analysis is always prefered but in this case we'll have to go with the only thing we have which is our own experience. Oh and LOL about Mr. Happy! :)

jakb, as for your decreased test levels, I'd suggest looking at your nutrition, sleep, overtraining, etc. but since you are a personal trainer then there shouldn't be any need to go there. Sounds like you are on the road to recovery since you stopped wearing the ROP so goodluck and keep us updated. I wish I knew why that happened to you. I guess the only way to really know if the ROP works or not is to get more people to check their test levels before and after wearing the ROP for a couple of months.

You also bring up an interesting point about the need to cycle the ROP. I wonder if your body would indeed become used to having to wear the ROP to keep endogenous test levels up. Personally, I suffer from low test and got to the point of considering HRT(Hormone Replacement Therapy) but since the ROP "seems" to be "working" for now then I'll just keep wearing it, for life if I have to.

[jakb]

Bryson,

SInce you know you have low test levels, I am wondering how often you get them checked and if you would be willing to check them and post results.

I have a theory that men with low test levels can benefit from wearing the ROP on occasion. You are stimulating by electricity an area that is not used to that stimulus. (I am betting if you played with your nuts often throughout the day you would get better results though). You have to be careful because too much stimulus regardless of what it is will end up being negative.

As far as my diet, sleep and such read in prior posts on here. It is all stated there. As time goes by without the ROP I continually feel better and better.

I just dont want other people unknowingly going through what I went through. It was/is a bitch and if I would have known the possible negative side affects...

So get your test levels taken and try to get them taken regularly if you are going to wear it. You never know when you have have too much stimulus.

[markj911]

Have you not read any of the posts here from Supra and other ROP believers? Supra made the bold claim that "Electricty was not the main effect but the greatest effect comes from the Zinc".

Tribulus has been proven to raise test levels, if you want to view one of the many actual research reports on it I can show you. You have not provided any proof to me at all, because there is no proof, I think I have a better understanding of how the ROP "works", I also believe and no offense that you have been caught up in the mental aspect of it. It sure seems like a cool idea, strap a cool looking metal object onto your package and receive benefits.....only problem is...it doesn't work.

How do you know that "electricity" stimulates the balls? How do you know that electricty is even good for your balls, and furthmore don't you think sperm/semen is a bit too sensitive for that?

I believe many of the benefits of bigger semen loads and morning wood lies within the constriction of blood effect.... Are there any guys out there that have any sort of constrictor on and notice similar things?

[sikdogg]

...I did notice a difference when I 1st wore it. That effect lasted a week and then it was downhill from there...

I speculate that what you experienced as more phycosomatic (sp?) than real effect. If it truely did increase your test levels, it couldn't have gone back down in one week's time... your body's HPTA works alot slower than that. I first voiced my doubt of the ROP's ability to raise test levels some month's ago and got flamed by Supra. I guess i wasn't the only one that felt this way.


...My opinion is that if it is worn that it should be worn for a limited time like a cycle of steroids. You obviously know that if you constantly cycle it is going to have a VERY negative affect on you. Why would you constantly "cycle" with the ROP if in fact it is increasing your natural test levels? Your body would still then become dependent on it...

Cycling the ROP is of no use... i have yet to see any before and after test results that indicate that the ROP can raise test levels above normal levels. If that is the case, why do you feel that cycling it would be of any benefit?? HPTA shutdown occurs when test levels are pushed above normal levels thru exogenous means (steroid use). Since the ROP is incapable of doing this HPTA will run it's normal course as it would any other day and regulate test as it would based on any number of everyday factors (stress, diet, fatigue, etc...). I seriously doubt that your body will become dependent to it if your test levels are in the normal range.

[jakb]

I speculate that what you experienced as more phycosomatic (sp?) than real effect. If it truely did increase your test levels, it couldn't have gone back down in one week's time... your body's HPTA works alot slower than that. I first voiced my doubt of the ROP's ability to raise test levels some month's ago and got flamed by Supra. I guess i wasn't the only one that felt this way.



Cycling the ROP is of no use... i have yet to see any before and after test results that indicate that the ROP can raise test levels above normal levels. If that is the case, why do you feel that cycling it would be of any benefit?? HPTA shutdown occurs when test levels are pushed above normal levels thru exogenous means (steroid use). Since the ROP is incapable of doing this HPTA will run it's normal course as it would any other day and regulate test as it would based on any number of everyday factors (stress, diet, fatigue, etc...). I seriously doubt that your body will become dependent to it if your test levels are in the normal range.


I 100% agree with the pyschosomatic part. I mentioned that in a prior post. After wearing it 3 months my test levels went down.

I also agree that the ROP cannot make test levels go above norm. My statement says that men with high test will probably be negatively affected. Now men with low test, ummm my jury is still out. I might be able to be convinced that it could help bring their levels up. But since this is not where my levels are I have not researched that area as much. Would like more people to get their own test levels taken if they are going to wear it.

[lm2]

Besides Supra and his blood test results (400's to 900's, then the 1226 reading after using various drugs) there are two other people that posted positive blood test changes - Tom Hubbard and Higherone. Tom Hubbard mentioned his testosterone and sperm count improving. Higherone posted his testosterone going from a hypogonadal 168 to a midrange 535.

It seems to me that in most cases, the ROP doesn't do much at all or anything period. But for those three, perhaps it did..

[AncientChina]

Besides Supra and his blood test results (400's to 900's, then the 1226 reading after using various drugs) there are two other people that posted positive blood test changes - Tom Hubbard and Higherone. Tom Hubbard mentioned his testosterone and sperm count improving. Higherone posted his testosterone going from a hypogonadal 168 to a midrange 535.

It seems to me that in most cases, the ROP doesn't do much at all or anything period. But for those three, perhaps it did..

Well not for those 3 but maybe those 2.

Supra: Supra was on pro-hormones and steorids of the time of his ROP use. The main steroid/pro-hormones were IGF-1 and Clomid. Clomid will shoot your test up big time after a given amount of time. Supra's results have NOTHING to do with the ROP, and we never saw Supra's before results posted, only his "after" results so we cannot gauge if there even was a rise, but with that high of a level of Test, you can bet it was the 'roids that did that. I am also sure he was so confident in testing his test level, cause he knew it would undoubtable be high...thank the 'roids and whatever other shit. Well that is my guess.

Tom Hubbard: During the time Tom Hubbard was using the ROP, he was also doing a million other things to improve his sperm count and health, if you read the site, a lot of things, and I doubt it was the ROP at all. He changed the pants he was wearing, he started pouring cold water on his nuts, he started changing his diet completely, and I believe he also started exercises.....The change of underwear alone to relieave stress on the testes could have made that difference and the difference was not huge and did not "tripple his test/sperm count in a matter of days" like the bullshit claims of hte ROP.

Higherrone: I am unsure of his case, I have not heard his results, if I had more information I would debate that too. Maybe he had a low test/testical issue and the constriction helped? I don't see any offical test results just hearsay, and it looked kind of odd in the post.

[AncientChina]

Here is the list of all of the things that Tom Hubbard did and changed during his time on the Blakoe Ring.



Relax, Stop smoking, Wear loose, or no underclothes, Stop drinking spirits, Do light exercise, Stop taking tranquillisers, Eat more fruit and vegetables, Spray cold water onto testicles (yuk)

Of course his test levels were raised, regardless of the Blakoe Ring....aka Bullshit Ring.

[sikdogg]

If my memory serves me, i believe that supra didn't get his test levels checked prior to using the ROP. He may have after his steroid cycles but that was months before he came across the ROP and in that time, his low test levels from steroids could have recovered on its own.

[lm2]

If my memory serves me, i believe that supra didn't get his test levels checked prior to using the ROP. He may have after his steroid cycles but that was months before he came across the ROP and in that time, his low test levels from steroids could have recovered on its own.

Yes, he said his levels were 454 after doing the roids. Then he claimed to have gone to 954 after wearing the ring for 1 month and getting tested. He had done the steroids a year before trying the ROP apparently. Come to think of it though, it is not clear at all when he got his first blood test. Did he get it 2 months after the steroids, 2 months before trying the ROP? I bet many people assumed it was right before trying the ring.

[sikdogg]

I know it wasn't just before he tried the ROP cuz i asked him... and 454 after a steroid cycle is damn good.

[hotrodtodd1968]

This is an interesting thread -

I tried making an ROP myself. Yes, I believe it has some benefit if worn in moderation. Every person is different. You need to listen to your body and how you feel - if you feel jittery, or too tired. My experience has been that if I wear the ROP for a while I get jittery, but it is a real boost to go pump some iron or heavy duty exercise at that point. If I wear it beyond when I get jittery, I will feel tired, so it can have a negative effect.

I think if you wear it too much you are literally frying your balls -- The thing works by generating a dc electric current. That is bullshit about zinc ions (I am an EE) -- You can get the same effect by using other metals (copper and aluminum has roughly 1/2 the voltage of copper and zinc, so 1/2 the effect).

But, I think that wearing it some may correct poor circulation or other problems that make low test. My wife has these electrodes she uses to relax her back muscles - they output about 0.4V dc, 1/2 the ring of power. This causes tissue heating mainly, which is supposed to help circulation and relieve the muscles. With these electrodes, the manufacturer says not to place it directly on the neck, stomach, etc. So, I would say there can definitely be negative effects of the tissue heating.

So, if you use the thing, be careful and listen to your body. I think it may help if used in moderation.

[sikdogg]

I've never heard of anyone feeling jittery or tired from wearing the ROP... if the ROP does in fact increase test levels as some believe, feeling jittery is NOT a symptom of increased test. I am an experienced steroid user and have been on several roid cycles (as well as lot of my buddies) and this is not what one typically feels when test is increased. As far as being tired that IS a symptom of low test.

I believe that it is possible that the ROP MAY work for some, but the reality is that most don't get any real benefit from it once they get past the initial psychosomatic bliss. Until you get a blood test done before and after using the ROP, you are just speculating like everyone else...

[hotrodtodd1968]

Yes, I have no blood tests so no definitive proof.

But I do feel something. Let me elaborate, when I say jittery I mean restless, can't sit still and have the urge to go do something physical. In addition to this, feeling very sexual, really noticing women and wanting sex.

I'm no defender of Supra. I have been lurking here a few months and decided to make my own ring a month or two ago. As an experiment for $0.42 I went to the hardware store and stuffed a zinc-coated 1/4" coupling and a 1/2" copper coupling on either side- I noticed something so I made the ring because its more comfortable. Geez it's like <$2 of material cost and all you guys are certainly mad that you bought them for $50-$65.

Some of the old-timers say they experienced positive results, are they all wrong too?

I think there may be something to this ring, but I do know if you wear it too much you can actually get the opposite of the desired effect.

Well, nice to talk here finally, most you guys are OK...

[sikdogg]

How long does it take for this jittery/restless feeling to occur after putting on the ROP?? How long does it usually last before you start feeling tired?? I've never heard of tbis and i'm a bit curious...

[hotrodtodd1968]

It varies, but typically for me the positive effects start within an hour or two and then after 6-8 hours it is too much. It also seems to vary somewhat depending on how regularly I wear it.

[sikdogg]

That's really interesting cuz i can't imagine any external device affecting hormone levels that fast. If you injected test no ester, i could see it but otherwise.... hmmm.

[dkeicei]

i hate to refresh an old post. but i thought the main point of the Ring of Power (ROP) was to create a low electric d.c. current, by the use of two differing metals, through skin that acts as the cunductor, to stimulate more blood flow; the extra blood desired to 'feed' the gains from exercises, kinda like a constricting ring. everyone just lost this concept because many people heard 'zinc' and new that zinc in the diet increased sperm, therefore the zinc was there to raise sperm count, and hence testosterone. but the real reason the zinc is there is not for that, but just because it's a metal that is different from copper, therefore the two metals will create an electrical current. any two pure differing metals could have been used: gold and silver, or paladium, etc. but obviously that would way to expensive, and very difficult to find. copper and zinc were chosen because they were easy to find, at McMasters site. does any of what i'm saying make a damn bit of sense? maybe i'm just too stoned. but the reason i'm chiming in is cuz i've been wearing this ring for over a year now. i could go on but i'm getting dizzy.

[slayman]

i hate to refresh an old post. but i thought the main point of the Ring of Power (ROP) was to create a low electric d.c. current, by the use of two differing metals, through skin that acts as the cunductor, to stimulate more blood flow; the extra blood desired to 'feed' the gains from exercises, kinda like a constricting ring. everyone just lost this concept because many people heard 'zinc' and new that zinc in the diet increased sperm, therefore the zinc was there to raise sperm count, and hence testosterone. but the real reason the zinc is there is not for that, but just because it's a metal that is different from copper, therefore the two metals will create an electrical current. any two pure differing metals could have been used: gold and silver, or paladium, etc. but obviously that would way to expensive, and very difficult to find. copper and zinc were chosen because they were easy to find, at McMasters site. does any of what i'm saying make a damn bit of sense? maybe i'm just too stoned. but the reason i'm chiming in is cuz i've been wearing this ring for over a year now. i could go on but i'm getting dizzy.

i agree with you. I think its just the increased bloodflow to that area which helps your testicles produce more sperm and testosterone. also the extra blood to the penis improves healing after exercies.

what have been your results after a year of use. I stopped wearing mine a while ago, but i wear it every now and then.

[dkeicei]

i wear it 24/7 it makes my balls big and hang loose and low which feels damn good, cuz they usually ride up the side of my dick and that hurts! my spoo is whiter and alot thicker and there's alot more of it, which goes good with porn. and it makes a good cock ring. the way i made mine i didn't glue the rods into the hose, i used 1/4" inside diameter "latex surgical tubing" (it was an enema hose) so i can adjust the tightness. i wear it real loose when i sleep, if not it digs into the base when i get morning, or midnight, wood and that hurts!
after i posted here, i then read that other huge long post and regretted even bringing this back up again. all that arguing took place in august of last year, at the very time i left, so i was catching up on back posts. i think it's a dead issue.
but i didn't drop $60+ for someone else to make it. i built mine on my own, it was damn easy. even the link was posted to mcmaster's to get the metal. and i already had the tubing. i even bought a few extra rods for future use. and am still looking for extra tubing, i'm calling a 'medical supplies store' tomorrow to see if they have any. why i'm rambling on i don't know. but i'll keep mine on my egg balls.

[slayman]

i wear it 24/7 it makes my balls big and hang loose and low which feels damn good, cuz they usually ride up the side of my dick and that hurts! my spoo is whiter and alot thicker and there's alot more of it, which goes good with porn. and it makes a good cock ring. the way i made mine i didn't glue the rods into the hose, i used 1/4" inside diameter "latex surgical tubing" (it was an enema hose) so i can adjust the tightness. i wear it real loose when i sleep, if not it digs into the base when i get morning, or midnight, wood and that hurts!
after i posted here, i then read that other huge long post and regretted even bringing this back up again. all that arguing took place in august of last year, at the very time i left, so i was catching up on back posts. i think it's a dead issue.
but i didn't drop $60+ for someone else to make it. i built mine on my own, it was damn easy. even the link was posted to mcmaster's to get the metal. and i already had the tubing. i even bought a few extra rods for future use. and am still looking for extra tubing, i'm calling a 'medical supplies store' tomorrow to see if they have any. why i'm rambling on i don't know. but i'll keep mine on my egg balls.


yea, i built mine myself too. have you noticed any effects of higher testosterone, like more hair or acne, more energy and muscle mass maybe?