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Is Everything Really What it Seems? A ongoing study by DLD

This is a study I have been working on for a while now. I have been asked to post it here. Some may have read it already, for those who have not it may help you, it helped me doing it.

A STUDY by DLD
An Overview: Part 1
Part 1: Visual size distortion and influence of language


This photograph by English visual psychologist Richard Gregory shows two people, placed at differing distances, so that their images differ in size. Most people looking at this photograph will state that the nearer person looks a little nearer, but also a lot larger. The two subjects maintained a constant horizontal foot level independent of their distance from the viewer (this was accomplished by having the camera placed at ground level). The effect still occurred, but it is ambiguous due to the lack of a perspective background. This is due to the perspective distortion or illusion of the way the picture is presented. Why is this important to PE? I think after reading this ongoing report I am working on it will become apparent.

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In the course of my studies into illusion, distortion and visual interpretation I have allowed myself to view some pornographic material. (this is important to the people who know I generally do not look at pornographic images)

[b]VISUAL DISTORTION and/or ILLUSION
Over the course of the past few weeks I have become increasingly skeptical of penis pictures on line. The reason I embarked on this study was to calm some of my own anxieties about what I view on line and hopefully help other people suffering with similar problems. I have been left very confused after viewing images of a man in what I will call “an optimum angle photograph” opposed to subsequent pictures of the same man in a non-optimum angle photograph. On first glance the penis picture appears to be huge but on further investigation I have realized that my initial viewing was proportion bias. Basically my vision was distorted by surrounding object and/or proportion optimizing angles. I think that many times we see a picture and based on surrounding object and spacial values we arrive at a distorted perception of the object in question. I will get into this more in part 2

LANGUAGE INFLUENCE
I have also become very interested in how language influences the way we see things. Using a popular figure for example, it has been hammered into our heads that John Holmes had a 14” penis. In turn this is a preconceived belief that will further distort our perception when we actually see a photograph of John Holmes. In many case people will just believe this measurement because it is what they have been told. In this case language played a huge roll in photographic illusion. On further investigation John Holmes is much smaller then the 14” myth, but over time in becomes increasingly more and more difficult to see this due to the constant distorted language. I have spent time doing certain tests I have developed in relation with this study to estimate size based on surrounding object and un-distorted images. In this test John Holmes is closer to less than 10”. More of this in part 2.

RELATION TO SELF VIEW AND PE
I will also get deeper into self image based on pre-conceived self opinions and how this affects how we see ourselves. I will get into my own struggles with this and some new, interesting ways to deal with these issues. I will also point out how this relates to penis enlargement.

Through this study I hope to expose media dishonesty, photographic illusion and help myself battle my own problems with self view.

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Part 2: A deeper look at Size Illusion

A basic assumption that seems to be built into our visual system is that the objects that we see are from a three-dimensional world. Which seems rational enough because we spend the majority of our lives viewing the world in a 3 dimensional environment. So, if we are presented with a two-dimensional picture, our visual system tends to interpret the image as if it were caused by three-dimensional objects. This interpretation is most of the time very close to accurate. But when slight change of surrounding objects or some sort of distortion occurs illusion will follow.

See picture below for a further graphic explanation.

We make judgments in 2 dimensional information based on learned knowledge (sometimes to quickly which is where illusion becomes evident). These assumptions are usually based in our three dimensional judgement. When an artist wants something to appear further away he will paint that object smaller in proportion to the foreground object, the further away the object the smaller it must be. This gives perspective of size difference and spacial value on a flat surface. Now when these same principals are applied to creating size illusion some very basic adjustments need to be made to accomplish the desired outcome. The reason this illusion is so easily orchestrated is because our visual system has been adapted for use in a three-dimensional (not a two-dimensional) world. Many times size illusion will happen purely by accident (mainly in a non controlled environment) but if the producer chooses to create illusion of something larger and/or something smaller they only need to manipulate the surrounding, not the object itself. This is easily visual in movies where the object of visual size difference is created by it’s environment. i.e..) Honey I shrunk the kids, King Kong. So when these same rules are applied to pornographic pictures the illusions are easy accomplished. Further manipulations are made at the editing phase where many adjustments can be made via the computer that before were not possible. (i.e.: morphing, which is very evident on web sites like monstercocks.com)

Being creatures of a prominently based 3 dimensional world it is easy to see how we are fooled by such basic manipulation. But it still remains that we will believe what we see a majority of the time because we lack the ability to quickly find these distortions and rationally put them in place.

Learned knowledge acts as the catalyst for this confusion because when we see something in two dimension our brains base size estimations on surrounding objects and what our past learned experience of the objects are. For example if you were to shoot a picture of a car but surround that picture with oversized objects the car would appear to be smaller. The same principals hold true when seeing a picture that lends distortion to increasing the visual size of something.

What does this knowledge accomplish for us in penis enlargement? I will relate this to myself as not to speak for other people. I can become very discouraged when I view some of the material on-line, I will play head games and ultimately feel badly about my own self image. Any kind of compitition with the images we see on line, in movies, or magazines is a very unfair war.... Why? We do not have the advantage of angle when looking down at our penis. We have very few visual points to view our own penis but in a 2 dimensional world there are infinite angles, perspectives and distortions. The second problem with viewing ourselves compared to media images is we are usually consumed with self doubt and have the insistent belief that the rest of the world is better than us. Having a negative view of ourselves and then looking down at our penis it becomes almost automatic to have a dismorphic view.

Over the course of this study I have looked at many pictures portraying the penis. Initially it was a very anxious environment for me but as time went on and I conducted my various tests on these images (part 4 will be a graphic model of all my findings) I started to realize much of what we see we believe based on language. If the ad says 14” then it must be true. I challenged many of these claims and many of the claims were untrue. The ones I found to have enough evidence to support their claim were all in reasonable size values. (Language will be part 3 of this study)

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Part 3 will feature my techniques on judging size based on different components and how many illusions are performed. As far as I am concerned the most accurate angle to judge size is the angle you can find in the members only forum. There is a picture in the thread http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34 that shows Jen holding my penis from the front with two hands on the same plain of vision, this is the easiest position to judge accurate size. I will also break some of my own photos down in part 4 explaining some technique to accurately judge size.

Part 3
Taking on the media

In this part I will use one of my own idols as the example. John Holmes is probably one of the first images that comes to mind when the term "Huge Cock" is used and righfully so. John Holmes had a magnificently huge penis, very long and very thick...what most of us dream of having.

In one particular interview with "The King" he was quoted as saying his penis was 10" long...these are his own words and I have to agree that with a very nice bone pressed measurement in a dead stretch setting he is very close to this claim. How big is 10"? Huge. Look at a standard US paper towel roll, this is slightly over 10" and it is HUGE. A penis that would scare the biggest size queens.

In this first illustration: (see below) I will show how the language of the ad is misleading. In the ad it claims John Holmes as having a 14.5" penis. This is a measurement I have heard for most of my life when John Holmes was discussed. This is a perfect example of language giving us the illusion that the picture we are looking at is based in reality. For most people a glance at the picture would show A.) a Huge Penis and B.) the words 14.5" printed below it. The illusion here will become evident in the next two illustrations. But living in a society where most of us want to believe people and have a general thirst for honesty we are easily fooled into taking part A and part B and combining them without question. Language, as misleading as it can be, is a wonderful tool in any type of successful sale. Weather the sale be ourselves to another person for a date, or IBM to the general public to sell a expensive computer system. How many times have you heard a women say, "oh he was huge, at least 10 inches" what is this statement based on, Reality? No chances are it is based on the man selling his penis as being a 10 incher and her believing the language. Even though the two may not coincide she still thinks it's true for the simple reason that WE WANT TO BELIEVE.

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In this illustration (see below) where I have dissected the penis from the original. This step alone has a huge effect on what we are truly seeing but I took it a step further. Taking averages into mind, I drew two lines that show the distance the penis is if it were laid on her face. Measure your own face, chin to middle forehead...what is the measurement...I got 8”. Now is this a mighty cock? Hell yes. Is it 14.5”? imagine how big her head would need to be for this to be true.


Using the same method of measuring her head and using the general averages to determine size, this third illustration represents a poorly morphed version of what a 12” penis would look like next to the models head. Quite a difference but still not the 14.5” claim. I ran out of palet room to show 14.5”. Take special notice of the ruler measurements given in the advertisers picture.

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How does this apply to PE? Again, speaking for myself, knowing that people like John Holmes really were something closer to a 10” than 14.5" relieves quite a bit of the anxiety that I felt before I questioned this language. 14.5” is unreal, but still there are many who still think these measurements are out there. When we lower the bar to 10” our goals become more realistic and attainable. The typical average man starting PE (estimating the mean average at around 5.5" in length) truly thought that John Holmes was 14.5" his mindset for getting himself to this level would seen impossible. With this false belief he would need to ad and additional 9" in length to get there. But when the bar is lowered to a more realistic and accurate number this newbie only need to gain around 4"....Yes 4" is an incredible gain but this has been done in PE. If others have gone before us and made some of our own goals a reality it allows us the same motivation to realize our own goals.

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Part 4: Size estimation and Photographic Morphing

Estimation of Size using Female Hand Averages.

When I estimate size in a photograph I prefer to use hand size as the gauge. Understand, this is my preferred way to estimate, but I have other methods that are even more accurate. (Using objects of common knowledge measurement on the equal plain as the subject. Bringing all object to an equal plain as to eliminate illusion, etc.)

In a reputabal study 68 grown females were measured for hand breadth. Hand breadth is the distance between the upper most part of the hand to the lower most part of the hand on a vertical plain. See the picture for illustration of this. In this study the size varried from 2.9” to 3.5”. 3.5” being the largest measurement in this female study should be used to determine size as to give the benefit of the doubt to the subject in question. In a graphics program using simple duplication techniques approximate size can be determined based on average hand sizes. I feel this is a more than fair tool to determine penis size for the simple fact I am giving the subject every advantage possible (largest average hand comparison). Usually in size driven pornography the women will not have a huge hand, the producer will more than likely find a women at the smaller end of the range. What I like to do is find a subject that has a women grabbing the penis. From this point I simply duplicate the hand breadth and place it along the edge of the penis. Simple math gives a very close measurement of length. This process can be done using various averages in body part comparison. I like to always use the largest average as to ensure a fair reading in the benefit of the subject.

MORPHING
(techniques done at the editing phase)

This is a very simple technique that can be done with amazing accuracy with a skilled designer. Using various tools in a photo manipulation program images can be made longer, thicker, shorter, or simply replaced with another image very easily. I quickly did an example of this. The original picture is the one on top, the image below I created. (see below) This process is not limited to still photography...video can be manipulated frame by fame to accomplish the same results. 99% of the penis images at www.monstercocks.com are morphed in a similar way. This took me about 5 minutes to complete. With proper time I can produce a seamless image that would be virtually impossible to detect. You may ask yourself how I detect morphed images? To the naked eye it is impossible. But when a questionable image is enlarged many times the pixels become visible. In this state I am able to see repeated patterns, color inconsistencies, breaks in tone, among other tell tale signs of manipulation.

Why is this important to PE?

I think that once we realize that things that seem unreal usually are it brings a sense of security to the person struggling with self confidence issues. The penis is the most sensitive issue for most men and when we subject ourselves to false, dishonest standards we create impossible goals. For myself my PE goals need to be based on reality. Trying to keep the determination to continue to accomplish these goals becomes much easier when the playing field is leveled.

The next part of this study will be mostly graphic and involve sample pictures and size analysis, enlarged pixels of morphed images, and other DLD techniques. I hope everyone is enjoying this study so far. I know it is helping me with some of my fears and I hope it is helping you too.

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MYTHS and RUMORS

Some History about Penis Size...source available to those that want it

Largest Penis by Race
Going strictly by the Kinsey data, which still remains one of the most exhaustive studies on penis size to date, the average white male has a penis measuring 6.2 inches long and 3.7 inches around, whereas the average black male has a penis 6.3 by 3.8 inches, for a difference of 0.1 inches--not what you'd call statistically significant. When it came to flaccid length, however, blacks fared a little better: 4.3 inches long, versus 4.0 inches for white males. So it may be, therefore, that while those of African heritage appear larger initially, under actual working conditions things tend to even out. You should consider this a tentative hypothesis rather than a scientific fact, as there were only 59 black respondents to the survey, versus 2,500 for whites.

Smallest Penis by Race
Inhabiting the low end of the penile spectrum are those of the Asian persuasion, specifically those of Chinese, Japanese, Korean, or Vietnamese descent. Hard data supporting this claim comes from The Definitive Penis Size Survey, a website maintained by Richard Edwards and dedicated to answering the imponderable mysteries surrounding man's most cherished appendage (the mysteries related to size, anyway). Among the interesting tidbits we gleam from his work, now in its sixth edition, is a graph correlating different erect sizes with race. The final tally: Caucasians on average measure 6.5 inches (16.5 cm), whereas the average Asian measures--5.5 inches (14 cm).

Is the Porn Industry partially to blame for race driven beliefs?
There are the dubious claims of immense penis size by various personages operating within the sex industry. These claims are almost invariably false, the result of exaggeration and hype by unscrupulous dealers hoping to hawk more products. Take the legendary Long Dong Silver, for instance. Made famous by the Clarence Thomas-Anita Hill hearings, his one enduring trait was his supposedly 18-inch penis. Totally fraudulent, as it turns out; in fact, there are videos in which he appears only normal sized.

What type of pressures do males feel when the issue of size is faced? Are myths only exaduratted rumors? Do these rumors play a roll in anxiety? I decided to get the opinions of a small cross section of males that often fall victim to these rumors. Here are the questions I proposed to these men. I have interviewed 1 Black male, 1 Italian Male and 1 Asian male. I choose these three races as many rumors have surfaced in these areas. I have also included some additional thought from another good friend of mine to give an added perspective.

#1 Black Male

What type of pressures do you feel as a black male when issues of size is brought up among other black males?

Believe it or not, the black males I hang around rarely bring "the size issue" up. Every once in a while someone may make a joke in passing about "what everyone knows" about white male size, but no one ever talks about their own tool -- bragging or otherwise. Probably because most of us have nagging doubts about our own ability to live up to the stereotype of the gigantic black penis. And because I haven't seen very many black penises, particularly erect ones, I couldn't really validate or dismiss the stereotype. I will say that I've noticed in locker rooms that it seems as if black males are more likely to cover up than white males. This may be due to the increased pressure they feel to measure up to the legend. Even though I am far out on the right tail of the dick size distribution according to all the studies I've seen, I often feel this pressure as well.
It interesting to note, however, that most of these studies tend to be based on samples with relatively few black males.

Do the size rumors about blacks that surface in public circles become even more exaggerated in black circles and how does this make you feel?

Again, it not something that comes up that often among men in my experience. I have had a few girlfriends, however, who gossip about size with their female friends. Because most of them had not been with a white male, they often speculated about whether the size difference rumors were true. At the same time, I've overhead many conversations about black males
that a girlfriend or her friend had been with who wasn't very well endowed. So clearly all black males aren't packing.


Do you feel an added pressure to be "Bigger" due to this stigma?

As I noted above, I definitely feel pressure to be bigger due to the rumor. I'm naturally competitive -- particularly when it comes to my body (I'm a bodybuilder, etc.). Even though I know most men would be happy with what I have, I don't believe I'd be completely at peace with my endowment unless it was in the 12" range. Sad but true.

#2 Italian Male

What type of pressures do you feel as an Italian male when issues of size is brought up among other Italian males?

I don’t hear alot of penis size talk with my Italian friends. I am always grabbing it and saying right here and other stereotypical shit but when it comes to size I think I like to just let the rumor speak for itself weather is true or not. Hey I need every edge I can get, right?

Do the size rumors about Italians that surface in general circles of people become even more exaggerated in Italian circles and how does this make you feel?

I think so. If size does come up I always feel this added pressure to sorta prove myself to my boys.

Do you feel an added pressure to be "Bigger" due to this stigma?

Well I am hear, aint I? I guess I do feel this way. But my opinion of this stuff is I am not sure if the rumors are true for every Italian guy, but I am going to make sure it is with me.

#3 Asian Male

What type of pressures do you feel as an Asian male when issues of size is brought up among other Asian males?

Well when penis size is the topic of discussion I am usually quite reserved. I fall into the average size guidelines so I do not feel any need to really speak on it. I have been in locker rooms with some of my Asian friends who appear to be about the same as me.

Do the size rumors about Asians that surface in general circles of people become even more exaggerated in Asian circles and how does this make you feel?

Those rumors are quite irritating to say the least. I am not entirely sure where these size rumors come from but it really makes me mad. I have seen allot of men naked in my life because I was on the swimming team in college and high school. My opinion is everyone has “basically” the same equipment. Some may be a bit larger and some may fair a little smaller. I have never seen anything drastic.


Do you feel an added pressure to be "Bigger" due to this stigma?

I am not sure if it is due to any stigma from rumors but I like most normal men want to be larger. When thinking about the difference between a normal penis and a large penis that difference is very small in the grand scheme of things.

Additional thoughts by another Black male:

But The pressure is great with the black male penis issue. With the high standards you have to be there much better to be considered something special. Like I know many people here that would be happy to only be 7 inches and I know alot of black women that would consider that small. Luckily I was born into a better position but I want to try and make the myth true with me. For the most part the myth has a basis in fact even though studies would show other wise. No to say every black man is hung like a horse would be like sayin every asian girl has small titties or al white girls have no ass. For the most part these are true but they cannot apply to all people. The black myth is a double edged sword if you ask me. It's a good myth if you have been blessed with the horse dick, but at the same time for those that have been shorted a lil that can make you feel inadquate.

It's harder for me because even though there are many more black guys smaller than me I still want to raise up out of the crowd more. With black men alot of time even though it mght not be said or what not we are very conscience bout our dick sizes and how we compare with others. We the be the biggest and the best. It's in our competitive nature. The size rumors are not as bad as it is seen in white circles cause it's something we've lived with our whole lives. Black people on average are more likely to have bigger body parts that most other races. You can go out now and see the hands, feet, heads, noses, lips. These parts among others can be bigger on blacks than othe races so it's kinda something that's lived with. But like before with these bigger body parts many want to have the bigger penis since they have to go through life with a big nose or a big head.

Myths seem to be endless.Through my own interviews and reading I have concluded that there is little or no evidence to support any of the penis rumors surrounding the three test races. I know I used a very small cross section but I thought it to be more interesting and time sensitive to get data from people I know. The reason I confronted the Myths issue is to show how un-supported rumors cause additional stress to the average man engaging in PE. I found it humorous this humerous and encouraging: ” I am not sure if the rumors are true for every guy, but I am going to make sure it is with me”. I think this is what we all feel here in some respect.

I wanted to post these interviews before I go on to the illustration and psychological part of this study...

Thank You to those who participated

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Part 6
Thoughts on
average size,
penis studies
and other confusing
penis subject matter.

If you are anything like me the phrase “average penis size” can take many different shapes and leave you feeling confused about the definitive answer. Looking on-line will make things even more confusing due to the numerous surveys and studies conducted around this issue. I visited every conceivable study the internet has and picked two studies I felt to be most accurate out of the vast collection of sites.

The Kinsey study is one of the biggest and most famous penis size studies ever done. It was done in 1948 and involved 3,500 college males.. I thought this to be a great study with some minor flaws. One being most of the men in the study were white, this is a problem because it leaves doubts about race cross sections. The another being the method of measurement. The subject simply held a white card against their penis and marked their length on the card, which was later measured. Even though this was medically viewed it leaves a large area of error. The Kinsey study concluded average erect length was 6.21 inches and the average erect girth was 4.85 inches. Flaccid length was found to be 3.89 inches and flaccid girth 3.75 inches on average.

Other studies fall short of any kind of ethical standard because of method of measurement. (usually done unassisted by the subject) These studies have such a broad element of error that making a conclusion here would be wrong. Men generally will not be honest in these situation due to the inconclusive studies that have spawned unconfirmed rumors of average size. Most men when asked what they believed average size was would say it to be in the 6.5” area. So when measuring most will stretch the truth above this point to avoid embarrassment. Statistical surveys and self-perception questionnaires have caused more confusion. And based on the evidence, the answer confirmed is still a cloudy 6 to 6.5”. I think this is still untrue and a very unfair size for science to conclude. So I continued to search.

The one study I did like most is Lifestyles Condoms. I think it left the smallest amount of error. In the Spring 2001 in Cancun, Mexico, Lifestyles gathered a total of 301 male volunteers over 18 years old. Each subject was measured by a researcher which eliminated the cheating factor. The results of the Lifestyles survey found that average penis erect length is 5.87 inches and erect girth is 4.97 inches. Also, according to the survey, 54% of subjects measured between 5.5 inches and 6.3 inches in erect length with 53.3% measuring between 4.72 inches and 5.11 inches in girth. I liked everything in this study but the amount of subjects and the race inconsistencies.

When digging deeper into the race card I found this. A Toronto-based physician, Dr. Jerald Bain, who treats men with reproductive disorders had this to say about race. "But I can tell you from my own personal experience in seeing hundreds and hundreds of men - and I have the added advantage of working in Toronto, a very international city - that there is no difference from one ethnic origin to another,"

What I think to be the most definitive answer:
In my opinion, considering all of the information above, I would conclude that the average erect penis measures closer to 5.5 then the previously believed 6.5 inches in length. As far as girth is concerned 5 inches is what I believe to be the average. These may be my opinions but I would like to let you know I have studied very closely all surveys of validity and found these numbers to be most unbias.

How is this important to PE?
I think that weather we are above, below or right smack in the middle of what average is it gives us a better game plan when the actual number is true. For the person who feels his 5.5” penis is small, this information becomes very relative to him. For the person that falls short of this number, it gives him a solid, realistic goal to work towards. For the men who fall above this number it give the added confidence we all desperately seek.

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Part 7: Angle & Contrast

First lets take a look at angles and how they effect what we see.
If an object appears big or small in a picture, the viewer assigns greater or lesser importance to it. An object that is prominent in the foreground and therefore appears relatively larger, takes on an importance for the viewer. The photographer is saying “LOOK AT THIS” by making it appear large in the frame and making it’s surroundings appear smaller. An image that contains distant objects isolates the viewer from them. Their relative small size makes them appear to be less significant, even though they may be the most significant part of a scene, but their far-away appearance mentally detaches the viewer from them. An image showing a naked man of average size in a bare white room make the mans penis appear benign and average, whereas the exact same man shown close-up and magnified in a macro-photograph may appear huge and monestrous.

Here is an example of skewed proportion using spacial value

A.) First Angle
See Below

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B.) Second Angle (see below)

B is the same egg as in A but with a simple angle the B egg becomes larger than life. Imagine what the porn industry is doing with there cameras! When you encounter a picture that seams to good to be true...generally it is.

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Why does a penis appear larger in interracial porn?
Addressing the color issue or Should I say CONTRAST

If you are anything like me your first reaction to interracial porn is initially skewed. What we see depends not only on objects but also on their backgrounds. A white object will be difficult to see against a white background but easy to see against a dark one. Conversely, a dark object might still be highly visible if the background is bright. The following pictures illustrate that we perceive "contrast," the difference between objects and their backgrounds, rather than the simply the amount of light coming from the object. This will show why men in interracial scenes always appear larger than men in same race scenes.

In the next two attatchments you may rethink what you see:

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And White on Black

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How does this happen?
This next graph will show how size becomes less prominent as it’s contrasting color becomes closer to it’s own. (see below)

Notice how much smaller the circle at the right appears in comparison to the circle at the left. Contrast is a very important aspect in what we view and how our brains translate this information. When we incorporate Myths and preconceived media language the contrast becomes larger and larger.

How is this important to PE?
Using this knowledge when viewing naked images will get you to stop and question what you may have missed previously. When we are able to really SEE what we are looking at it helps give us a more realistic goal in PE. The Ghetto Boyz said it best when Scarface said' "My minds playin' tricks on me homey" Our minds are very, very powerful and this ability can be used against or for us.

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Part 8
WHAT IS BIG?
WHO IS BIG?
and ARE MEN BORN WITH IT?

This part of my study is mostly based on my opinion over the information I have studied so far.

WHAT IS BIG?
I think that we have gotten a pretty clear view of what average is, but what is considered big? I have looked through 100’s of penis pictures during this study and I picked the pictures I felt looked the biggest to me. (these I will feture in Part 9) I took these images and ran various size tests to determine size. To my surprise I found some interesting things. Most of the time on first glace the men in these photos appeared to be pushing the 10” range (needless to say this caused me initial anxiety) but after very carefully analyzing each photo I came up with almost the same measurement for each one I considered big. The conclusion may surprise most of us but invariably it came out to be between 8 and 8.5” with an average girth of 6”. I determined this through different processes I spoke of in earlier sections of this thread. I did find a very small percentage of men above this measurement those being in the 9-9.5” range. Nothing beyond this...NOTHING....SO to me in my opinion when I view a mans penis I am blown away at around the 8x6” mark. I consider this huge. It seems that measurements beyond this “magic mark” are not easily defined. The difference between an 8” penis and a 9” penis is not as exceptional as the difference between a 7” penis and a 8” penis in my opinion. A huge factor in initial size view was girth. The man who measured in length the same as another but had more girth looked considerably larger to me. On the average most subjects in my general testing fell into the 5.5x5"” to 6.5x5"” mark respectively.

WHO IS BIG
This may come as a surprise also but I found no real difference between races that was consistent enough to determine one bigger or smaller than the next...which I feel is good news for us. On penis sensitive sites, meaning sites that content was mainly centered around large size, played into race myths...but consistently I found the same actors working many of these circles.

One very, very consistent thing I found 100% of the time was a correlation between the look of the larger penis in comparison to the look of the average penis. This brought me to my final opinion on size. Every “large” penis I encountered bared the marks of a P.E.er. Consistencies ranged from vein structure, stretch marks to darker and lighter skin areas. These are truly the marks most P.E.ers where. these are the marks that people who do not engage in PE lack. I will give my opinion at the end of this update.

ARE MEN BORN WITH IT:
Again my opinion, but I think the difference between men who never P.E.ed fall into the average size area within about an inch either way. I think that men who engaged in alot of masturbation growing up may have slightly longer units than the people who didn’t due to the constant pulling. So I think men are not born huge...I think most of us are born with the same opportunity as the next.


HOW THIS APPLIES TO PE and MY FINAL SIZE OPINIONS
I think we can assume now that Sean Michaels prob. hangs or John Holmes was an avid jelquer...but what I am sure of is these impressive men shared the knowledge we have here at peforums. Each one has a similar penis to the next, sharing definite tell tales of pe. I think with this in mind it gives us the needed confidence to tackle our pe goals with a new understanding that before was mythical. I determined my opinions on a vast amount of information. I have searched far and near and looked at countless images with a slew of never ending text. My curiousity has determined some new ways of thinking thus far. To date here are my newest views.

1.) The largest men out there are the men in these forums
2.) Race only plays a roll when the myths drive certain races to find PE
3.) Men are born equal
4.) A massive penis is 8x6 respectively IMO
5.) There are exceptions to all of this but a very small amount.

[doublelongdaddy]

Part 9: The Big Boys

The people I choose to analize were chosen for 3 different reasons. The first reason is that each comes from a diversified background in race and era. The second reason is their popularity. The third reason is each subject has been rumored to have an over estimated size. I do not feel any of this dishonesty is by way of the stars themselves. I believe blame to be on the media and how they exploit these men and prostitute dishonest sizes to capitalize. I have a great respect for each one of the subjects chosen and feel them to be our P.E. allies. I want everyone to know that I think these are among the biggest out there and I give each one of them props for there immense size and (assuming) dedication to their own P.E. programs. I am in no way trying to discredit these men, I am only trying to create a more realistic environment for us to gauge our goals, success and desires by.

[doublelongdaddy]

Sean Michaels: Rumored to be in the 12+ inches range.
Method of analysis: enlarged image to follow the national average for head size, female. After enlargement I gave an overestimation for actual size to eliminate any margin of error that would discredit my tests. Items chosen are on equal plains to eliminate 3 dimensional illusion.

[doublelongdaddy]

Rocco Sifferedi: Rumored to be in the 9.5+ inches range.
Method of analysis: enlarged image to follow the national average for head size, male. After enlargement I gave an overestimation for actual size to eliminate any margin of error that would discredit my tests. Items chosen are on equal plains to eliminate 3 dimensional illusion.

[doublelongdaddy]

Ron Jeremy: Rumored to be in the 9.75 inches.
Method of analysis: enlarged image to follow the national average for head size, male. After enlargement I gave an overestimation for actual size to eliminate any margin of error that would discredit my tests. Items chosen are on equal plains to eliminate 3 dimensional illusion.

[doublelongdaddy]

Mr. 18: Rumored to be in the 18 inches.
Method of analysis: enlarged image to follow the national average for head size, female. After enlargement I gave an overestimation for actual size to eliminate any margin of error that would discredit my tests. Items chosen are on equal plains to eliminate 3 dimensional illusion.

[doublelongdaddy]

John Holmes: Rumored to be in the 13+ inches range.
Method of analysis: enlarged image to follow the national average for hand breadth size, female. After enlargement I gave an overestimation for actual size to eliminate any margin of error that would discredit my tests. Items chosen are on equal plains to eliminate 3 dimensional illusion.

[doublelongdaddy]

How this relates to PE
This series of test gives the much needed encouragement to any of us who are suffering with a poor self image. When illusion, dishonesty and effects are eliminated the size anxiety becomes more easy to deal with. Knowing that these men of size, who most of us admire them for, is something we can realistically acquire through hard work and dedication to PE brings a calming feeling to me. I hope each one of you who has gained interest in this thread has gotten the extra confidence to push on. I did this for many reasons, which I will discuss in the final part, but mainly to help the people here that have helped me by giving back.

[doublelongdaddy]

If someone wants to link this to Thundersplace that is fine. I know many people were asking about the links.

[Metal Ed]

Very excellent work, DLD.

It's almost impossible to really add anything else to such a comprehensive study, but I do want to say this:

I think that one additional reason (besides the ones you mentioned) why we are so quick to believe such fraudulent claims is because we are taken by the sheer VOLUME of such penises.

For example, an 8 x 6, in terms of cubic volume, is literally almost twice the penile mass of a 6 x 5. About 22 cubic inches versus 11.8 cubic inches.

Literally, almost twice the dick.

So when we see an 8 x 6 - assuming "we" are average - we think - "Holy shit! That thing is almost twice the size of mine!" - because, in a way, it IS.

Therefore, it becomes easier to believe claims of, say, 10" for what is really an 8 incher. Most men think in terms of length, not in terms of volume - so if it looks almost twice the size of the average (which it is, at 8 x 6) then it must be almost twice the length of the average (which it is NOT). Therefore 10", though a lie, becomes very easy to believe.

When dealing with the really big boys like Holmes, it gets even worse. Assuming Holmes was 10 x 7 - a reasonable estimate based on your studies - that works out to more than *three times* (!) the cubic volume of the average penis. Simply amazing size - when confronted with a dick that is more than three times the volume of their own, many men will feel so overwhelmed with inferiority that are ready to believe almost any ridiculous claim, such as 14".

Thanks so much for your study. There is an old interview with Holmes where he states that fully erect he is 10" (this was before his days of living on cocaine, so this was his best ever size). Therefore we can conclude that he was not, and never was, even a single millimeter over 10" - because NO ONE understates their own size. Ever.

He was still insanely huge, of course, at "only" 10".

One last thing. What were the results on Jack Napier and Lexxington Steele? Those links were added on the thread at Thunder's. They are not here.

I wouldn't doubt that Lex is a good 10" ; his own claim of 11 x 7 looks slightly (but not very) suspect.

[REDZULU2003]

exellent this.
Really good work DLD man.

[doublelongdaddy]

Red thanks!

MetalEd, I will try to access the thread at Thunders and see if I can't update it here.

[Spektrum]

I'm really impressed by this thread. It answered a LOT of lingering questions I had in my head. One of the points you brought up was the black on white porn and how black penises seem to look larger in them. I was thinking the exact same thing the other day! Anyway, this has been a real self confidence booster, thanks for all the great info!

[pUNKY]

nice work DLD

[doublelongdaddy]

Thanks guys:)

[Jen]

Originally posted by doublelongdaddy
If someone wants to link this to Thundersplace that is fine. I know many people were asking about the links.

i used to have a name there. i can't remember my id or secret word. didn't they have this paper before?

[doublelongdaddy]

Bump

[j-penis]

This is just outstanding. :eek: OMG.

[doublelongdaddy]

Female Average Body Measurements
Measurement (inches)
Specifically, a female 18 year old, 59 inches high with a 115lb weight

Sitting knee height 17.9
Buttock.heel length sitting 34.0
Hip breadth sitting 12.3
Head breadth 5.4
Max. head height 7.5
Chin.pupil height 3.8
Hand length 6.4
Hand breadth @ metacarpal 2.7
Foot length 8.7
Ball of foot width 3.2
Head circumference 20.4
Neck circumference 11.3
Chest circumference (not bust) 30.4
Waist circumference 24.1
Hip circumference 32.1
Sitting eye height 27.4

[hangh]

excellent thread, gave me alot of clarification and made my mindset more positive. yeah! :)

[goodbutnotgreat]

threads like this are why i believe in DLD and only believed in PE after visiting this sight. why would the operator of a penis enhancement website go to so much trouble to debunk myths about penis size and make men feel more secure?

i'm constantly amazed at how genuine you are DLD, you're a rare bird man, you deserve unlimited success even if you aren't doing yourself that many favors by making men feel better about themselves.

[REDZULU2003]

great stats their dld.....these will help me do some stuff now I wanted ta do.
Can ya get some more stats for more ages? maybe also race - latina average, black average, asian average etc etc.

[doublelongdaddy]

Originally posted by REDZULU2003
great stats their dld.....these will help me do some stuff now I wanted ta do.
Can ya get some more stats for more ages? maybe also race - latina average, black average, asian average etc etc.

Let me see what I can dig up

[REDZULU2003]

hey dld I got a job for ya.....get Mandingo up on here, size him up we want his stats god-damn it :blahblah:

[pole]

Originally posted by REDZULU2003
hey dld I got a job for ya.....get Mandingo up on here, size him up we want his stats god-damn it :blahblah:


Yep! I support this order!:D

[doublelongdaddy]

Mandingo is so hard to find a picture of that is not straight on. In the latest video shot with Judy Star Mandingo with Judy (http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3158) he measures at 11+" non bone pressed if the girls hand breadth is 3". The difficulty with those shots is the type of angle and lens being used. Notice how huge his base is in comparison to a little further up his shaft. This happens when a picture is taken with a camera angle close to the starting point of a tubular object. i.e. (take a tubular object like a paper towel roll. Close one eye and and place the base of the paper towel roll very close to your open eye going straight out. Notice how thick the base of the roll becomes and how the length seems to go on forever.) This same method is used in the video posted. According to that video he appears to have a base that is close to 9" in girth that narrows to 6.5 at the upper shaft. He appears to be over 11" in length.

Now checking his size in other pictures where some of these effects are not used he does not measure as large. This thread is also Mandingo where he is shot with a more realistic angle: Mandingo with a Tiny Asian Girl (http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1445&highlight=mandingo) Here is appears to be 9" long if the girl has a hand breadth of 3". His girth also looks less impressive.

My point here is that it is very hard to tell when you are dealing with a tiny guy like Mandingo with a massive cock. If they hire an even smaller girl with tiny hands and use the best "BIG DICK" photographer or director he is going to look larger than life. If you take the same guy and pair him with a girl with huge hands and a shit director he may appear smaller than he is. I have seen tons of footage on Mandingo and I think this guy has about 10" non bone pressed, but than again he has almost no fat pad.

[REDZULU2003]

confirms what I thought....around 10-11 inches in length ;)

[REDZULU2003]

I just saw a members pix.
The 1st one looked HUGE.
heres the link http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=28343

His stats are 7X5.5

Now I post that here as a note to peeps that angles play a massive part - alot already know this but FORGET it easy....I mean Lex and Man'' are big but are they as big as we think???? probably not as most of us have gotten other members sizes wrong many times when asked, and porn stars pump, use alsorts of gizmos on lenses to make it look bigger.

To the guy above whose picture I have linked...its nuthing personnal - not at all - just thought your picture was a GREAT example of angles palying trix.

cyaz

[Blade]

Originally posted by doublelongdaddy
Female Average Body Measurements
Measurement (inches)
Specifically, a female 18 year old, 59 inches high with a 115lb weight

Sitting knee height 17.9
Buttock.heel length sitting 34.0
Hip breadth sitting 12.3
Head breadth 5.4
Max. head height 7.5
Chin.pupil height 3.8
Hand length 6.4
Hand breadth @ metacarpal 2.7
Foot length 8.7
Ball of foot width 3.2
Head circumference 20.4
Neck circumference 11.3
Chest circumference (not bust) 30.4
Waist circumference 24.1
Hip circumference 32.1
Sitting eye height 27.4

So....can you set me up on date with this chick? She sounds sooo hot. :D

[doublelongdaddy]

So....can you set me up on date with this chick? She sounds sooo hot. :D

Wow, I missed this post. I guess doing history research is good:D

[Supra]

Hey why did you unstick this and move it ?

[doublelongdaddy]

Hey why did you unstick this and move it ?

I didn't, I only responded to it ?:(

[Supra]

Oh, It was stuck in the sexuality forum though right?

[doublelongdaddy]

Interesting addition to this thread. A penis can appear much larger or smaller depending on the person partner who is touching it. The picture below is of two very different sized woman standing side by side. I pasted a penis I found online on both of them. The penis is the same size on each woman but try this. Cover half the image and look how big the penis looks on the right and how much smaller it looks on the left.

[REDZULU2003]

moved and stuck in sexualiy section

[REDZULU2003]

Also I have an update for this myself.
When this site returns nextmonth, as its bandwidth has been reached this month check out this shot of a babe holding a 12 inch ruler.
You will see that even 7 inches length looks huge.
Point is, many of us guess sizes of porn stars and are like WOW its 9 inches, when in relaity its probably more like 7 inches.
This babe is average height and build.
12 Inches would look RIDICULOUSLEY large.
Heres the link http://www.amaginations.com/cj/CJ39.jpg best try it next month.

I will also post more pix attached to this server at MOS next time with woman holding rulers and also get to work on my old paint shop talents, adding rulers near pornstars and also resizeing cocks and implementing them into female orientated imagery to give a TRUE understanding of male penis size, both average and large.

[REDZULU2003]

Heres the babe holding 12 inchs of plastic lol

[ItsElectric]

I'll post some different angles of my cock and see what I can do to make a size difference. This is fun. :D

-ItsElectric

[bigbutnottoo]

month check out this shot of a babe holding a 12 inch ruler.
You will see that even 7 inches length looks huge.



Another perspective is to take a ruler and mark off 7" or 8",9",etc and hold it right up to your face. Then you will see what it will look like to a girl when she is blowing you or playing with your balls. 6" will look pretty big and 7 or 8 will look huge. Keep in mind this is a perspective grils you are with will have and remember, not the sight of it from across the room.

[chubb rock]

exellent post. DLD, you should get a noble peace prize for your studies. perception & low self esteem are a motherfucker

[chainandballer]

It should also be mentioned that shorter/skinnier guys will appear to have a much bigger shlong when standing naked.

you brought up john holmes but you didn't bring up long don silver, who was black and bigger than all of them, even if he was short/skinny.

and i don't think thats rocco up there, he is a big steroid monkey, you got the wrong guy, also, his pecker has a wicked curve, about 8" roughly

long don was 12" +, i'm pretty sure

i know about illusion and deception, i practiced it for a while, and can tell you how just about all of them, and magic tricks are done. Like when copperfield made statues and niagara falls dissapear, its all about angles, i had a pretty good magician buddy who was telling me how he was doing it, while it was being done, it was surprisingly simple. He had a special platform created for the live audience, and where the camera men were standing. And a simple rotation of an inch or two in just the right spot, made everything else visible, except the falls or tower.
You can do it yourself, stand in front of a building with a taller building behind it, make sure you see them both, then squat down a bit, or move back and forth, and the taller building will become less or more visible, depending on which way you move, and everything else will appear to look the same.

[doublelongdaddy]

you brought up john holmes but you didn't bring up long don silver, who was black and bigger than all of them, even if he was short/skinny.

Long Dong Silver wore prosthetics as he was seen in various other films around that era sporting a average sized penis.

[chainandballer]

Long Dong Silver wore prosthetics as he was seen in various other films around that era sporting a average sized penis.

wow, you mean that pic i saw of him as a kid, fucked me up for no reason.

[phraze!]

thank you dld to shed some light on the whole illusional perception of porn stars. I figure the only way they got so big (some of them) was thru PE. shit honestly im only 5.75 erect. I used to be so upset with myself being small, the only thing i had going for me was girth. and Ive never had any complaints in the bed, not cuz of my size, but actions is what makes it lasting. So Ive learntquite a bit. I would like to be longer for My own personal reasons. Just to be out of the ordinary ;). Thank You again for the marvelous research.

[Bulldog05]

I watched that bibliography on Ron Jeremy and he was at this party with all of these college students and they asked him how big hid dick was and he said 12 inches. Iv saw several pornos of him and he doesn't seem even close to that size.

[Big_Pimpin]

interesting read.. thanks.. i gained some new knowledge

[slaxer]

Wow, DLD you do great work here. This, alone was a good read, not to mention the quality of the information. Thank you for this little study.

[doublelongdaddy]

Wow, DLD you do great work here. This, alone was a good read, not to mention the quality of the information. Thank you for this little study.

The new one is coming soon.

[chinchillables]

Oh my DAMN that was a nice post. Do it again! LOL.

[doublelongdaddy]

I know I promised this study a while ago but too much was happening for me to get it together. I decided to start posting the data and I think many will be impressed with the background work I have done. I have been working on this study for 3 years+ and it has helped me get a new perspective on size and the surrounding psychology. As before it will be posted in parts over the next few weeks. It is quite a large study and I want to break it up into a sort of series. This is the prologue to the study. I hope this one has as much success as the first. I will be conducting similar interviews with different nationalities as in the first and I will also be doing in depth size analysis of all of the new actors in film. I hope you enjoy:

Is Everything Really What it Seems, Part 2

Prologue:

How can you continue to see the world as reality if the self that is determining it to be real is intangible? A question all of us need to ask ourselves and the answer is as independent as our DNA makeup. So we ask ourselves; What is reality? We all have a major role in the change of our reality because reality is the actions we take, not the eventualities we ponder. Even when mathematics proves a possibility it does not become a reality until we experience it, therefore we create our own realities. The world, being possible time lines of perceptibility's, offers endless realities, endless options, endless avenues that when chosen our reality become real.

Consider this, the smallest level of consciousness is the cell therefore changes in reality can be determined on a cellular level. This is very difficult for us to grasp as we have a predisposition on what our reality should be and thinking we can change this on a cellular level becomes difficult to comprehend. We, in turn, become addicted to the way we choose to see ourselves. Just like any other addiction we need to feed the craving, a craving that makes us who we are.

When we look in the mirror are we truly seeing who we are, or is this a reflection of the way we see ourselves mentally? Consider this; We have never truly observed ourselves, yes there are mirrors, video, pictures and so forth but we have never viewed ourselves through another persons eyes. In effect, we must trust the judgments of those around us. Believe it or not our cells are influenced by our emotions and our emotions influence our cells. Emotion is simply feelings in motion. Our visual concept may already be established but we truly do not know if this is a reality.

What is our influence on the world around us? Do our thought and emotions affect the rest of the living world? When we fully understand this, enlightenment is inevitable. The only way we will ever be great to ourselves is not by what we do to our bodies but what we do to our minds and this is where reality is born. We literally can be anyone we choose, we can have any reality we want and it all comes from the depths of our thoughts. When we make up our minds that we want something we have to formulate a picture of what we want and be so concentrated on it, so focused on it, have so much of our awareness of it that we lose track of ourselves, we lose track of time, we lose track of our identity, and the moment we become so involved with that experience it becomes the only picture we are able to see as real, good or bad. When actions are finally applied to these thoughts reality is born and the physical means to accomplish our mental visions falls into place.

We manifest our reality. Science has proven that an electron can be in two places at the same time and we still struggle with accepting the true power of our minds. We are much more than we think we are, and we can do much more than even that. We are here to be creators therefore it is our duty to create. When we can acknowledge our intense power over our emotions, our accomplishments and even our future, we have become cognizant.

Life is similar to quantum physics as quantum Physics is a physics of possibilities. We are constantly faced with endless possibilities, endless choices, endless experiences but we usually choose to remain with what we have believe we deserve. Don't just take this at face value, test it out and see if it is true.

I believe a large part of why everyone does not make gains in penis enlargement is the lack of belief that it can happen. This repetitive, comfortable, safe reality prevents many from seeing what they truly want. These men do not realize how easy it is to get once we decide it to be. A positive emotional state, a controlled effort and the ability to see ourselves as we wish to be will lead us to what we truly desire. Remember, if you can't control your emotional state you are addicted to it and addiction is repetitive actions that lead to the same results or even a decline in results. Therefore, if one becomes addicted to a positive emotional state the repetitive actions that follow will drive you towards your goals.

I have strived to create the art of mental penis enlargement so men could see themselves, mentally, as they truly are. A poor visual reflection is usually one of habit, one of a skewed reality, a reflection that only shows what we believe ourselves to be. In penis enlargement this is ever present because we have a clear mental picture of our penis, one established by years and years of collective thoughts and visual reflections. Those that suffer from a negative self-view will see their penis with a skewed vision a reality created by their compounded thoughts. For instance, if a man who has had a 6" penis for 30 years pursues penis enlargement and he makes a 2" gain he may still see his penis as six inches although the reality is he really has eight inches of penis. Even though the physical changes have happened the mental changes have not, therefore he can't visually see the changes. Even though he has the capacity to change this view he still chooses to see this negative image of himself.

Penis self view is worthy of volumes but one study could never encapsulate every part. I plan on provoking your thoughts and maybe relieving some fears in this new study. So many years ago I wrote an article on Penis Dysmorphic Disorder or P.D.D. It describes an illness some men may experience about their penis. It is built on illusion after illusion, but like the victims we are we buy into each illusion with complete belief and it somehow alludes an endless cycle of thought provoking actions that leave us mentally paralyzed. P.D.D., similar Body Dysmorphic Disorder, is a pathological preoccupation with an imagined or slight physical defect of one's body to the point of causing significant stress or behavioral impairment. With men and their penis this type of pathological preoccupation leads to poor relationships, lack of confidence, suicidal thoughts, calamitous demeanor and many other destructive behavioral impairments. Even though a man may have an 8" penis he sees it as much smaller.

When you look at this illustration below it shows how easily the mind can be fooled by illusion. This is akin to the endless cycle of our own self-view and the illusions we choose to see, illusions we ultimately agree with.

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Even when we know that what we are seeing is an illusion we still find it difficult to know why it is happening. When we look at this next image of an animated dots we know it is not changing color in reality but it is impossible for us to see it any other way than changing color. If we are so easily fooled by such a simple illusion of blinking lights imagine how much false negative views influence our self-view. Thoughts that influence our life in ways science is just finding out.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/_2z5AdJUySzdER4ApcinCQ"><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQUEdLvXTDI/AAAAAAAAA8s/K322OOiEYgA/s144/opticalillusion.gif" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/MOS">MOS</a></td></tr></table>

Do our thoughts truly effect the world? In this next illustration we see the thought process in all it's glory. It may be difficult to comprehend or even believe but this was a real scientific study. The incredible process of Science and Psychology working hand in hand.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IUa0ikM5tXWbtXpRRAK4-g"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQUEdKTMxyI/AAAAAAAAA80/kYwt94pcbNE/s144/Water.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/MOS">MOS</a></td></tr></table>

Considering that our bodies are 98% water imagine what our thoughts can do to us. Illusions are everywhere, in our minds, in our vision, in our world. We spend most of our lives in a dream world. Even though we are awake we still are confused by a cloud of imaginary smoke that keeps us from truly being awake. This is not something we can change with any single study although I wish this were possible. This is not something we can change by medicine or any other scientific advancement, this is something we can only change when we decide to awaken from the dream world and take charge of our destinies. Exploring this psychological issue of penis size illusions that is are the root of our cellular make-up will be a mind blowing experience and I hope all of you become inspired to change your thoughts, change your realities and get everything in PE or life, for that matter. I hope this study ultimately brings new ideas, new hopes, new enlightenment to the minds of those who wish to excel in their lives and capture every dream they ever desired.

Before we start the formal study I would like to give some history on the penis and penis enlargement:

Penis Enlargement History...Thousands of years of obsession:

Penis Enlargement dates back many centuries. Many early cave drawings portray male figures with oversized erections. In early art we can find statues, painting, wind-chimes, dildos, monuments and temples of leaders or gods with large penises. Gods were depicted with unusually large penises. This can be found in almost every culture. The Romans and the Egyptians worshiped penis God's. Geb, a God in Egyptian history was portrayed as a statue with a huge penis pointing towards the heavens. Priapus, the Roman God who held his oversized penis with pride. King Dihythia of Senegal, was depicted of sitting on a throne with his massive penis as many women kneeled before him waiting eagerly to touch his mighty Penis.

Penis Enlargement can be found in post Christianity. Ancient men stretched their penis using rocks as weights. Many cultures would sacrificed the use of their penis as a gift to the God's. After years of hanging heavy weight off their penises they would grow to unwieldy length but this would render them completely unusable.

Penis exercises can be found in ancient times. With time honored and adamantly protected secrets, penis exercises were passed down from father to son. Some sources say the lengths of 12" or more were common. Many sources believe that enlargement originated in the Middle East. When children reached the age of 14 leaders of their tribe would teach them secret penile enlargement techniques to prepare them for sexual relationships. The earliest known penis enlargement exercise was called the Jelq, a term still used today. The jelq is a simple exercise where blood was squeezed from the base of the penis upward towards the head but the effect is uncanny. Just as in early cultures, today men still use this exercise to naturally enlarge their penis.

Many of these ancient penis enlargement exercises were lost in time. It is believed that a select few cultures still practices these exercises into the 18th and 19th century. It was not until the advent of the internet that these exercises became available to the masses. Today, if you search for the term penis enlargement, you will find more than 8 million results. It is safe to say the secret is out.

Early penis enlargement was not subject to only exercise. Herbs that are common today in many penis enlargement pills were also used thousands of years ago. Early civilizations used these herbs to enlarge their penises and to make their erections last longer. Many of the same herbs found in many sexual aides in modern times originated by our ancestors.

It was not until the 1970's that modern devices became available to men for enlargement. The penis enlargement pump, made famous by John Homes, created a new obsession from ancient times, the reality of making the penis bigger.

Throughout history men have adorned their penises with sheath coverings that mimicked the massive phallus. In almost every recorded culture the penis was at the focal point of art. Placentarius, seen in the picture below, is portrayed with a massive, uncircumcised penis. This piece of art was used as a tray for food.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/bPMUFUIFk4Y_DhGBLFB1Aw"><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQUEd13kAWI/AAAAAAAAA88/FVWaqIhRemI/s144/Art%201.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/MOS">MOS</a></td></tr></table>

Next we see the fertility God, Priapus, with a massive penis. He appears to be weighing his penis against a basket of fruit, which was commonly depicted in art of the God.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/cISBR-gBcb8qg21b_Vo2cQ"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQUEeL5ZiSI/AAAAAAAAA9E/ja5UUX-TCzY/s144/Art%202.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/MOS">MOS</a></td></tr></table>

In this next painting we see Adam and Eve being banished from the garden of Eden. In this painting from the 1400's the penis was in plain view. In the years to follow Christian leaders demanded that the penis not be shown in art. This lead to the covering of all phalluses in Michelangelo's most famous work on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Upon close inspection we see that the genatalia of each image was carefully covered with loin clothes. This was not repaired until recently during a restoration project.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/3z3uC2Omwvm1Q7qxFBvl9Q"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQUFk0OFyEI/AAAAAAAAA9M/W0wyXjubkdc/s144/art%203.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/MOS">MOS</a></td></tr></table>

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/4kWkEC4KYQVuNRf1gjH85g"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQUFkygbBLI/AAAAAAAAA9U/S3564XZweGE/s144/art4.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/MOS">MOS</a></td></tr></table>

Tomorrow, PART 1: Growing Up with a Penis

[lifted]

Thought follows reality. I say reality follows thought. I think therefore I am."What a man thinks in his heart so is he" Provernbs.

[8InchMIKE]

Damn, i was waiting for this article since ages... i am very glad you started uploading it already...can't wait for the whole rest of it.

Props to you Mike, looking good so far, c'mon...give us the rest of it already...lol

Peace

Mike

[doublelongdaddy]

Part 1
Growing Up with a Penis:

In pornography, particularly big dick porno, we see a slue of illusions. Many men will judge themselves by these images and deepen their pathological preoccupation with the size of their penis. Just like every influence men collectively judge themselves by, a visual image of their own penis becomes more and more counterfactual.

So what are these influences? How do they emerge and what damage do they cause. To tackle these questions we need to start at the beginning, at the time we discover our penis. All boys discover their penis during childhood and will naturally explore their genital area as they would their hands, feet, face and other body parts. Boys will naturally tug and pull on their penis because it is there and it feels good. They may look at themselves in the mirror, explore and become aquatinted with what will be a life long obsession. This is a natural process but in some cases the parents or guardians may put restrictions on the child and his penis, a sometimes detrimental decision. The penis, just like any body part, is just that a body part. When shame is directed toward any body part of the body disfunction is inevitable.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/_mjVqaU2Fjujn1M1XBu75Q"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQZMzDLMYUI/AAAAAAAAA9c/c2ChkWwqVj4/s400/babe.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/MOS">MOS</a></td></tr></table>

As the child grows older he soon discovers frequent erections for no reason at all. This state of pre-puberty will begin a healthy or unhealthy journey into natural sexuality. If the child is taught that masturbation is a sin or some kind of wrong doing to God he will further his distortion of his penis with every masturbation episode. Feelings of guilt and shame will again become part of the child's self view provoking a further distortion of his penis, a distortion that starts the illusions of the way he sees his penis, the way he sees himself.

As the child grows older there comes a point when he disconnects himself from his penis. He sees it as a disassociated entity of sorts with a mind of it's own. As puberty ensues the child may already have a distorted view of his penis. This will become more pronounced when he is in school. He will find a new embarrassment in the locker room. The distortion of self-view is so out of perspective that seeing other boys naked will provoke a plummet of new, negative feelings. He will compare himself to the other boys, judge himself by their size a process that follows the child into adulthood. In some cases when the child has not fully developed, a process that happens between the ages of 13 through 18, he may be made fun of. Adding this component to his early childhood begins a new dysfunction that affects his interaction with the opposite sex.

Having shame, embarrassment or distorted view contributes to poor relationships. The young man may become obsessed with his penis and submerge himself into uncontrollable compulsions. In some cases even avoid sex, society, jobs or any other normal, social environment. Even though he may be of normal size or even above average size he may still not see this and the illusion of his mental upbringing inevitably rears it's ugly head. he begins to paint a mental picture of his sexuality that now includes the opposite sex and a transference of his own feelings creates a false belief that others see him the way he sees himself.

This stigma of a negative self view will limit the young adults interaction with life as a whole. He may never realize his full potential in other areas of his life that have nothing to do with sexuality. A lack of confidence follows the man into his job, his friendships, his relationships basically every social interaction he comes upon. I have seen this in many of my own clients. They come to me with deep rooted issues that they believe penis enlargement will solve. In many cases the man may increase the size of his penis beyond his goals but he is still left empty, dissatisfied because the root of his issues were never dealt with.

This issue is immense and debilitating. If gone unchecked the mans life will be distraught with many limitations in every area of social and self-reliant behavior. I hope to expose, relate and advise on these issues so that, for those who read this, are equipped with the tools to rectify these delusions and start to live a fulfilling life that brings the happiness all of us deserve.

Tomorrow:
Part 2
The Penis In Advertising

[foxconn]

excellent posts dld... by the way, are those pictures of water real? where did u find it? it's fascinating

[doublelongdaddy]

excellent posts dld... by the way, are those pictures of water real? where did u find it? it's fascinating

Yes it is real, very, very incredible. The book was well worth the investment. Here is part of the water portion of the video:

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[doublelongdaddy]

Part 2
The Penis In Advertising:

American's supposedly live in a free country with freedom of speech but it is still illegal in many states to say "penis" on television. On a penis enlargement pill commercial featuring Ron Jeremy, a porno actor during the 70's and 80's, you will find them saying "that certain part of the male anatomy" being an obvious reference to the male genitalia. Are these lawmakers that ashamed of their penis to uphold such damaging laws? Don't they see that they are not a solution to the sexual problem but rather a part of the cause? In Europe sexuality is seen as a normal, beautiful function of humanity. The penis can be shown on TV and there are no laws limiting the language and we see a much lower rate of sexual mental dysfunction. I ask, did the United States forget about the constitution? With rape statistics over the last 2 years in the United States reaching more than 700,000 doesn't the government see their approach to sexuality just isn't working?

Even with mainstream media we will find the same shell game of illusion through language, ads and commercials, television shows, movies and magazines. We see this in underwear ads where the models are portrayed as larger than life. This may be a marketing angle where these companies believe a man will buy their underwear in hopes to look like the model but it usually does not happen this way. Men will usually compare themselves to these models and feel inadequacy. Even though most of these ads contain digital alteration or a simple stuffing of the underwear a man still takes this as a reality. We see in the next picture, we see an attractive male with an overly large bulge. Even though this bulge is shaped nothing like a normal, flaccid penis many men will not see this, they will only see themselves in comparison.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jDLD-eOuoksyY0EZwTN5NQ?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQedaswGkkI/AAAAAAAAA-Y/QVs38eEkG1M/s400/CalvinK.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/BloggerPictures?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw">Blogger Pictures</a></td></tr></table>

Everywhere we look we are reminded of size. It has become a marketing tool. This is seen in TROJAN CONDOMS ads featuring the larger sized Magnum Condoms. Do condoms need to be any bigger? Of course not. On my public forums there is a video showing a man take a normal sized condom and stretching it over his head. So why do the condom companies promote a larger condom? Simple, it plays on the insecurities of men and lines their pockets with more money. Imagine this for a second; you are in a drug store and a very attractive woman is the cashier. You need to buy condoms and you make your way over to the massive collection of different prophylactics. There are many condoms to choose from, all priced about the same but the TROJAN Magnums catch your eye...LARGER CONDOMS and the first thought is "what will the cashier think if I don't buy the larger condoms?" Even though the condoms may cost several dollars more you still buy them to avoid embarrassment. The perfect sales tactic. The Magnum box as seen below is pure marketing genius. A fear tactic that guarantees them a larger profit margin at the expense of insecure men.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/B3oCEZwrd2fm42gqHRBumQ?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQeda4HzikI/AAAAAAAAA-g/asZQLxGJz_c/s400/Magnum&#37;20COndoms.gif" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/BloggerPictures?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw">Blogger Pictures</a></td></tr></table>

This type of reminder is not just used in the sale of sexual products, we see it in everyday life. Around every corner another indirect way of promoting products using penis size is lurking. Is it any wonder men are obsessed with their penis when the entire world is?

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/RXCll99dCOi9JoR0OgpmyA?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQeda_P7b4I/AAAAAAAAA-o/ZQsdc4IBHC4/s400/guypeeing.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/BloggerPictures?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw">Blogger Pictures</a></td></tr></table>

Seen below are a few products that promote on the premiss of size wielding the slogan SIZE MATTERS. This is obvious and in my opinion carry no subconscious illusions. They simply state the most popular reference to the penis: SIZE MATTERS. I am more concerned with the subliminal, the web of deceit that many companies use without the consumer consciously knowing.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KU1Uew2WZz-QacNidHjSBw?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQedbUNHnpI/AAAAAAAAA-w/yCOHgmq7ckM/s400/guiness.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/BloggerPictures?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw">Blogger Pictures</a></td></tr></table>

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/818VjGneMSvWT2lsx43HYQ?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQedbipNeII/AAAAAAAAA-4/zIj8uXTa9bw/s400/Limo.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/BloggerPictures?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw">Blogger Pictures</a></td></tr></table>

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/lb1egggrOIBbdtqxSsDnyQ?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw"><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQedrTLI04I/AAAAAAAAA_A/8kKq6OeFKZ0/s400/apple.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/BloggerPictures?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw">Blogger Pictures</a></td></tr></table>

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MJsE7xYc5Oc2B-54RvPeLg?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQedreau8uI/AAAAAAAAA_I/Me8FMahSXf0/s400/trojanshirt.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/BloggerPictures?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw">Blogger Pictures</a></td></tr></table>

The use of suggestive language has been used in advertisements for many years. The product may have nothing to do with sexuality but the language used suggests sexuality. This type of marketing is not limited to adults 18 and over, it is used in marketing to children. In the next series of slogan lines we will see different companies using sexual innuendo's, mainly fallacies to promote and sell their products:

Alkaseltzer: Pop, pop, fizz, fizz...Oh, what a relief it is...
All State: In good hands.
army: be all that you can be.
AT&T: reach out and touch someone.
Bacardi: taste the feeling.
Beatles: now a quarter smaller than it used to be.
BIC Lighter: Go ahead flic my bick
Big Red: it lasts longer with Big Red.
Burger King: have it your way
Butterfinger: No body better day a finger on my Butterfinger
Cambells soup: mmm mmm good
Charmin: Don't squeeze The Charmin!
Charmin double roll: It lasts longer because it IS longer.
Chevy Truck: Like a rock!
Chips Ahoy: bite a chip.
Diet Coke: Just for The taste of it...
Doublemint: chewing really satisfies.
Edge Shaving cream: ultimate closeness, ultimate comfort.
Ego: Leggo my Ego
Energizer: It keeps going and going
ERTL: just like The real thing, only smaller.
Excedrin: It's tthhhhiiiiiiissss big.
Extra: lasts an extra extra extra long time
Flintstone's vitamins: strong and growing
Folger's Crystals: best part of wakin up is a in your cup.
George of The jungle: watch out for that.......tree?
Gilette: The best a man can get.
Jell-o: look at it wiggle, look at it jiggle.
Jolly Green *Giant*
Juicyfruit: The taste is gonna move ya.
Kentucky Fried Chicken: needs a little?
Kix: tested, mother approved.
Lays: Betcha can't eat just one.
Life Savers: Five fruity flavors.
Macintosh: power is everything.
Mazda: It just feels right.
McDonald's: 8 billion served.
Micro Machines: a whole world, in The palm of your hand.
Milk: it does a body good.
M&M: melts in your mouth, not in your hand
Monte Carlo: you'll always remember it
Mr. Clean: Is it wet or is it dry?
Nike: just do it.
Nintendo: you're playing with power.
Nokia: Connecting people.
Nuprin: Little, Yellow, Different.
Nyquil: nighttime coughing, sneezing, runny-nose, itching, burning, so you can't rest.
Phillips: let's make things better
Pringles: once you pop, you can't stop
purdue: more meat, less bone.
Ragu: chunkier than The rest.
Right guard: anything less is uncivilized
Robitussin: by nine out of ten moms.
Sanka: Good to The last drop
Secret: strong enough for a man, ph balanced for a woman.
Snickers: It satisfies you.
Sprite: Image is nothing...Taste is everything.
Starburst: The juice is loose.
Swiss Miss: The taste you can enjoy anytime, anywhere!
Timex: takes a lickin and keeps on.......
Tootsie Roll: How many licks DOES it take...?
Toyota: love what you do for me.
Transformers: more than meets The eye.
Twizzler: makes mouths happy.
Virginia Slims: you've come a long way, baby.
Wendy's: where's The beef?
Wonder bubbles: Magic wand inside!
Yellow pages: Let your fingers do The walkin.

Although these slogans are not as evasive as others they still work on a sexual premiss. A reminder that triggers a line of thought. In some people it may go unnoticed but in others it provokes negativity.

A recent series of commercials for the AXE body spray use penis suggestion on many levels. One commercial (see image below) portrays a multi level apartment complex. A thick pipe runs the distance from the ground floor up traveling through many apartments. On each level there are females dressed in sexy clothing hugging the pipe. Some straddle it while others hug and rub it. As the camera pans up through the floors we see the same actions by the females. When it reaches the top floor there is a man in a shower where the pipe ends. This commercial is disturbing on many levels but the area I would like to focus on is how it effects men and the size of there penis. Most men would not consciously degrade their penis size due to this commercial but subconsciously the information is doing it's intended job; using fear of size as a way of selling their product. Men will find the commercial amusing, as will women but there is a deeper, more sinister message happening. First, most men will unknowingly walk away feeling inadequate about their size. They will also feel as though woman desire immense size, who can compete with a penis that spans a length of 5 floors? The subliminal effect will emerge when the man goes shopping next. He will see the phallic shaped can of AXE in in many cases buy it. Has anyone noticed how quickly AXE has cornered the male, body spray market?

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/6m9uCxxjli10sp_S4DoFHQ?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw"><img src="http://lh5.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQedreZsvuI/AAAAAAAAA_Q/0AFA2APrFT4/s144/womanpole.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/BloggerPictures?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw">Blogger Pictures</a></td></tr></table>

In this next magazine ad for AXE, whether you can read the language or not, makes many implications about the penis and size. First notice the exaggerated bulge in the male models pants, whether it is real or not the message comes across strong; females prefer a massive penis. Next look where the female model is looking, directly at the man's penis again reinforcing "the big penis" as a females preference. Next, and perhaps the most damaging, is the position of the male models right hand. His fingers depict the most over used implication of a small penis. He is looking directly at the viewer with his fingers showing a tiny measurement. The female also wears a shirt the reads "iresistable" another factor tied to her line of vision towards the penis. Finally the 2 AXE cans suggest another phallus oriented message with a longer and shorter versions of the product...Bigger is Better.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/4dHRQzgK9osrWpa7WK-fTg?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw"><img src="http://lh6.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQedrf3VRyI/AAAAAAAAA_Y/AklAfL6wBio/s400/axe.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/BloggerPictures?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw">Blogger Pictures</a></td></tr></table>

In this next advertisement for AXE we see the products with a tag line "The AXE Effect". The center visual point is a bolt suggesting an erection. The accompanying nuts suggest 2 lines of thought, a female's vagina or a man's testicles.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/v9_Oepce9UDO3J8pzRKO9A?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw"><img src="http://lh3.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQedrU6qzaI/AAAAAAAAA_g/2tUtrHjB2-0/s400/nutsbolts.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/BloggerPictures?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw">Blogger Pictures</a></td></tr></table>

In this next advertisement men are again reminded of the importance of a big penis to woman. The picture of the product on the lower right suggests a penis, the package, and testicles, the 2 pieces of gum. Notice how the product is in line with the females genitalia or anus, another hidden sexual innuendo. Lastly, and most obvious, is the products name, "Big Red". WHen combined with all other components it becomes a penile, marketing stroke of genius.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/_Jw4RHn4cSDrgJZiNkBN9Q?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQee1JIkOqI/AAAAAAAAA_o/NFwgFWyvMKI/s400/bigred.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/BloggerPictures?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw">Blogger Pictures</a></td></tr></table>

Even in ads from the earlier part of the 1900's use penile suggestion to sell products. This travel ad for Yosemite portrays a female skiing down a mountain. In her hands is an extremely long poll. She is holding the poll with 2 hands, something many men crave with their mate and their penis. The poll itself disappears between the females legs again suggesting sexuality.

<table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/vIklkd44a7xlJL2gRMWhdw?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw"><img src="http://lh4.ggpht.com/GURU.DLD/SQee1cNbWNI/AAAAAAAAA_w/v54bx0IuD-E/s400/Yosemite.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/GURU.DLD/BloggerPictures?authkey=gFMWz7wsAAw">Blogger Pictures</a></td></tr></table>

Movie & TV Examples
In recent years, jokes and anecdotes about penises and penis size have increased in Western culture. Popular women's shows such as Sex and the City and Ally McBeal devoted several episodes to penis size, suggesting that a larger penis is preferable. Critical observers point out, however, that the writers of these shows were largely male, sometimes gay males, so their portrayal of realistic female preferences are suspect.
Other examples:
• Ally McBeal S1, E12, "Cro-Magnon Man" - Ally (Calista Flockhart) falls for a nude model with a huge penis. (story continued in Episodes 13 and 21); S4, E1, "Sex, Lies and Second Thoughts" - Ally breaks up with a man because he has a tiny penis, "like a pop-up chicken thermometer".
• Along Came Polly Debra Messing eyes get wide open while checking out a naked man's penis on the beach while on her honeymoon. Then later in the movie ends up cheating on her husband with the same naked man.
• American Beauty - Mena Suvari questions her friend about the size of her boyfriend's penis.
• Boogie Nights - Various females comment on Dirk's penis.
• Dream Lover - M&#228;dchen Amick confesses that's she's cheated on her husband with a guy who has a "huge cock".
• Foxy Brown - Foxy (Pam Grier) makes fun of "little-dicked white guys".
• Futurama - Leela, upon spotting Fry's penis, comments on what women had to put up with before genetic engineering.
• Human Nature - Patricia Arquette leaves her "tiny penis" boyfriend for a well endowed man.
• Sex and the City - Mr. Big storyline; S2, E18, "Ex and the City" -This time it's a penis that's too big; S2, E2,"The Awful Truth", Samantha (Kim Cattrall) finds it hard to tell her boyfriend that his penis is too small. In another episode Miranda (Cynthia Nixon) says "Women don't care. We care about nice arms, great eyes, a big dick..."
• The Sweetest Thing - Cameron Diaz, Christina Applegate and Selma Blair discuss penis size. In a later scene Cameron Diaz and Christina Applegate are seen with a look of amazement on their faces when they see Selma Blair's boyfriend naked.
• Caroline in the City: Del discovers that Caroline's ex is better endowed than he is, and as a result becomes more anxious in the bedroom.
• Coupling - Sally (Kate Isitt) becomes interested in Patrick once she finds out that he has a massive penis, she instantly wants to have sex with him, but is conflicted on whether or not to because of his political views. Sally coined the term "Patricked" as the past passive tense of a verb involving sex with Patrick.
• Moulin Rouge! - Nicole Kidman pulls down Ewan Macgregor's trousers and exclaims "big boy!" with a look of delight on her face.
• Degrassi: The Next Generation - In the locker rooms, J.T., who was then dating Manny, discovers that her ex-boyfriend, Craig, is much better endowed than he is. This causes J.T. some distress, eventually leading to him purchasing and using a "penis pump." Manny catches him attempting to use the device, and goes through with her already-made decision to break up with him, taking it as a sign of his immaturity. She later tells him the reason that she ended their relationship was that he couldn't "be the bigger man," clearly a reference to the fact that she was more worried about his childish behavior than his penis size, but also a barb she knew would aggravate his insecurities.
• There's Something About Mary - In the restaurant/bar scene Mary is chatting with three of her female friends about personal ads seeking men. One of the women suggests an ad should read: "Seeking deaf mute with three-pound cock and trust fund."
• HBO Original Series Rome: Episode 6 ('Egerian') - 'After collapsing into a fit of sobs, Atia shifts her focus towards making amends with Servilia, who she will need "when Caesar is defeated." She enlists her daughter Octavia to bring the noble woman a naked man with a large penis.'

Tomorrow: Part 3
Photography and Video Distortion

[youknow]

This thread is great. It really answers so many questions and makes you realize that you're doing pretty good having 7+ length and anything over 5+ girth. I took a pic on my phone at the base of my cock and it looked HUGE! I'm only 7.5 by 5.1. So this is a very interesting peice of research.

[REDZULU2003]

The same thread is here (http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24035), duplicate but extra comments from members not knowing it was duplicate .. I only just found out.

[REDZULU2003]

Here's a good post by stevie7inch about how the porn industry enhance the whole size theme.

Click this (http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showpost.php?p=325069&postcount=15).

[REDZULU2003]

I will also add this late addition regarding the porn world and when we see images and videos. Since pictures and video are being displayed on a two-dimensional surface, your eyes are tricking you into seeing three dimensions. Camera angle and lightingcan do wonders to an average size penis!

[REDZULU2003]

To illustrate the above the following link (http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51408) will take you to thread a mos member made with pictures of his penis demonstrating how certain lenses and camera angles can make a penis look larger than it reall is.

[mlb092]

When our brains receive information we instantly store it as "true". After this happens our brains have to correct the false information. This happens even when someone points to a stop sign and says "that sign is blue". It takes more energy for one to process a false statement than a true one. That is one reason why people market things late at night on television when people are tired and are more susceptible to false statements since they are not able to get rid of the false information as easily.

I believe this is one reason why it is easy for people to see the labeled 14.5 inch cock and believe it immediately.

[doublelongdaddy]

I believe this is one reason why it is easy for people to see the labeled 14.5 inch cock and believe it immediately.


Understanding "language" and it's usage and intended meaning, capturing the viewers true understanding of what they see is so prevalent here. When many say "14 and a half inch cock" what they truly mean is "A huge cock". The term 14.5" cock has become synonymous with an abnormally large penis. Many acclaimed John Holmes with a 14.5" cock when he is much closer to 8.5.

[mano22]

hey cool post

[doublelongdaddy]

All photos are gone:( I will have to dig up the original study to relink. Sorry bout that guys.

[Aimingforthetop]

dld what the hell are you doing? this will scare off 50% of the people who come to this side because they have seen to much porn.


honestly. this was way beyond anything i have ever read in a forum before. this is fucking beautiful. and absolutely one of the best posts i have ever read. outstanding!

ps my end goal is the same size as rocco /flex

oh and a contribution. the homepage awarding money for each cm (around 200 dollar each) to the biggest cock in denmark..... they are still at 20 cm. 8 inches.

5mill people and so far the biggest is 20 cm?

[doublelongdaddy]

dld what the hell are you doing? this will scare off 50% of the people who come to this side because they have seen to much porn.


honestly. this was way beyond anything i have ever read in a forum before. this is fucking beautiful. and absolutely one of the best posts i have ever read. outstanding!

ps my end goal is the same size as rocco /flex

oh and a contribution. the homepage awarding money for each cm (around 200 dollar each) to the biggest cock in denmark..... they are still at 20 cm. 8 inches.

5mill people and so far the biggest is 20 cm?

Thank you. This was a very sobering study and I know it has helped many!

[Juan Strokes]

I haven't read this in a long time, still a very important read and a great article, I've been watching a lot of porn lately and was feeling a little down about what I'm packing and also jealous of the male talents in the videos so I decided to dig back into this and re-read it.

So the legendary Rocco "The Italian Stallion" Siffredi is packing my main goal of 7.5"? nice :) makes me feel a little better, growing up people kept saying that he was slingin' some 10-12" meatstick, but as a kid my bullshit filter has been very good and I always knew it wasn't true.