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KeepGrowing

09-18-03, 05:41 PM

I would strongly suggest training in Mixed Martial Arts club, over a book any day. It can be hard to learn from a book if you don't have the experience.
Look for a Mixed Martial Arts club that trains fighters. This will allow you to test your stuff in a setting that will most resemble a street fight, I.e. sparring.

If you're looking for weapons training look into the philipino Martial Arts.

If you want book and video suggestions I can post some...

pUNKY

09-21-03, 03:43 AM

Can you post some video surgestions please.

SLICEDBEEF

09-30-03, 02:04 AM

Check out Tim Larkin's TFT (Target Focus Training) at www.targetfocustraining.com

I'm currently in the TFT mastery program. I've done a couple of SCARS camps with peterson and they where good... at the time.

Tim use to work for Peterson but went out on his own.

My opinion is that the quality of training you get from Tim is above and beyond SCARS... that's my opinion anyways... it's also cheaper! If you want to become a trainer all you have to do is sign up for the mastery program and he'll train you to trainer status...and hold NOTHING back!

I'm really not the type of guy to bash other people and it's not my intent to... but Tim is also a more down to earth kind of guy and alot more open minded (especially if your into MMA and other combat Sports)... I know, because I had to sit with Jerry durring lunch at the level 2 camp and had to listen to his rants!LOL

stillwantmore

11-26-03, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Gardenier90
Search for Krav Maga on google.

Yep, that's some bad ass stuff. I'd like to learn it myself some day soon. The Israeli military trains their soldiers in it. One of my close combat instructors while I was going through training in the Marines knew it and touched on it very briefly with us.

Gardenier90

11-26-03, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by stillwantmore
Yep, that's some bad ass stuff. I'd like to learn it myself some day soon. The Israeli military trains their soldiers in it. One of my close combat instructors while I was going through training in the Marines knew it and touched on it very briefly with us.

I'd like to get in some classes myself, but I don't have the time. I may go to one of those huge seminars they have though.

seven_wants_ten

11-26-03, 03:41 PM

Move to China and become a Shaolin Monk

wants9

12-02-03, 12:22 AM

I, too, interested in studying Krav Maga once I get my weight down. I've also started to look into Pavel Tsatsouline (http://www.dragondoor.com)'s training programs. He's a former Spetsnaz martial arts instructor who is now an American citizen and, I've read, helped develop the new Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (http://www.mcu.usmc.mil/TbsNew/Pages/Martial_Arts/).

penguinsfan

12-21-03, 03:05 AM

I took Bando for a couple years, many years ago as a teenager. I think it's a great fighting system, but it may be a little difficult to find an instructor.

ctmwm

01-06-04, 09:39 AM

I'm Starting to look around town for a "beginner" IE slightly over weight, not the best coordination type, and that will give me a workout to get in batter shape and give me some hand to hand skills noting outrageous just some basics.

Any advice guys? Falcon? SWM? Anyone Anyone Bueller?

penguinsfan

01-06-04, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by ctmwm
Any advice guys?

I think most anything will hone basic skills and help get your in shape. After you feel a little more comfortable, seek out the hardcore stuff, if you so desire.

Supra

01-06-04, 12:28 PM

The Movie "Hunted" was off the hook!!!!!

derringer57

08-31-04, 09:56 PM

TimBo755

09-01-04, 12:02 AM

Jason1

09-01-04, 12:26 AM

It is the best but his name is Royce Gracie.

9cyclops9

09-01-04, 02:01 AM

Brazilian's pronounce their R as an H, or so I'm told.

Krav Maga is great, if you can find the real deal. Most of the stuff you find is watered down, just a step above Tae Bo. If you can find a well-known traditional Kung Fu trainer, that would be good, but stay away from modern Wu Shu because that stuff was developed specifically for show and flashy competitions.

I must say, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is probably the best single self-defense system out there. But it's always good to cover more than one area, so if you can, do some cross training in another martial art, like traditional Kung Fu, or Muay Thai, etc.

(starting BJJ next week hopefully, when I move back to Boston for college)

Jason1

09-01-04, 02:26 AM

You're right R's are pronounced as H's. I have been training jujutsu for a while and I have trained with Royce.

copper_handshak

09-01-04, 04:43 AM

http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000026.html

http://www.fightingarts.com/

These are two good links.

penguinsfan

09-01-04, 05:00 AM

BJJ is good, but it is far less effective when someone has good fundamental ground skills and takedown defense. In the early UFC events, the grapplers kicked ass left and right, but it's the strikers that are big news today in the UFC. Once BJJ and other forms of grappling were studied and countered, those guys started winning much less.

That being said, BJJ is still an awesome art, but I advise anyone to hone their striking skills when focusing on a grappling art.

Zurik

09-01-04, 08:12 AM

sikdogg

09-01-04, 01:24 PM

Hi,

I'm looking into improving my defense skills, I do have some kick boxing experience, however I would like to learn something more similar to the stuff from movie "Hunted", or from some Steven Sagal movies. If you could recommend some books or some websites on such subjects I would appreciate it.

The fight scenes you saw on the movie "Hunted" was a filipino art called Sayoc Kali (http://www.sayoc.com). Steven Segal is trained in a different art called Aikido (in my opinion, very ineffective but looks cool). Segal has kind of created his own version of Aikido which is more focussed on street applications and is much more aggressive compared to traditional aikido.

I have trained in many different martial arts since i was in grade school, my dad thought that it was important to be able to defend yourself and encouraged me to study many arts including: Tae Kwon Do, Boxing, Shotokan, Muay Thai, Kali/JKD, Kenpo Karate, and Brazillian JuJitsu (under Royce Gracie). I've even fought in a couple of amateur kickboxing matches. Let me know if you have any more questions, i'd be glad to help if i can...

penguinsfan

09-01-04, 01:33 PM

I think Muay Thai is some pretty bad shit! If I could only choose one discipline to focus on, it'd be Muay Thai and I'd do some additional work on grappling/submissions to supplement it.

sikdogg

09-01-04, 01:56 PM

Muay Thai is defnitely bad-ass... i trained with a guy who was super hard-core and worked us to near death. I agree with you that Muay Thai and grappling is a great combo.

9cyclops9

09-01-04, 11:25 PM

"I must say, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is probably the best single self-defense system out there"

You do realize that when Royce Gracie was asked in an interview, why he carries a knife with him he responded that BJJ is better left for the ring. Besides Gracie isn't the best fighter when it comes to technique. He goes for the knees very well but he can't strike for shit. To be frank you can't find a real Krav Maga or Kadochnikov Method instructor, unless you got military connections. I would avoid all those kung-fu, karates and all the other eastern bullshit (except for Thai and kick boxing). If you can't dedicate atleast 3 years don't do martial arts that have throws, choke holds and limb breaking in them, you simply won't learn them well enough to use in real life. Avoid everything that uses fake knifes and doesn't have full-contact sparring. From personal expirience 2-3 years of classical boxing makes a real man out of you(if you don't get your brains knocked out).

My point was not that BJJ will dominate any street situation. What I meant was that if you were to focus on one single martial art, BJJ is probably the most effective. But my point was that it's good to be well rounded and have several different types of MAs under your belt in order to be most effective in a real life combat situation.

I said I was going to start BJJ next week, but I'm not sure. I'm thinking about doing some of the "eastern bullshit." I'm not really in it for the self defense aspect, that's just an added bonus. Traditional kung fu is a true martial art, where BJJ, Muay Thai, etc is a martial art. There's just something more beautiful and graceful and well...artsy about traditional MAs. I'm not looking to kick anyone's tail on the streets, I probably won't ever have any occasion to need that ability. I'm in it for the fitness, and, well...the art.

sikdogg

09-02-04, 10:56 AM

Bro, if you're in it for the workout then you'll like BJJ. If nothing else, it's a great workout. I'm like you right now, i study the martila aret not so much for the martial aspects but more for the art aspect and the workout. Good luck with BJJ and let us know how your first day went...

9cyclops9

09-02-04, 09:09 PM

Yeah I mean it may not be BJJ...there's two really great kung fu schools that I'm looking at right now. One is near me (like a block away), run by a guy named Yao Li, who apparently is an international kung fu competition champion, and the other is a bit further, called Yang's Martial Arts Association. Dr. Yang has written tons of books and published a whole lot of videos on traditional kung fu, he trained at the Shaolin Temple and also has a PhD in Chinese Martial Arts. He runs something like 50 schools around the world and does lots of lectures and such...and whaddaya know, his headquarters is right here in Boston, just a subway ride away. I'm going to try out both schools plus a BJJ school right outside of Boston before I make up my mind. We'll see how it goes.

sikdogg

09-02-04, 11:09 PM

Are you talking about Dr. Yang Jwing Ming?? He's definitely world known in Kung Fu and Chinese internal medicine. If you're interested in traditional chinese arts, then he's worth looking into.

9cyclops9

09-03-04, 01:01 AM

Yeah it's Dr. Yang Jwing Ming. I was so stoked when I found out that he is based just south of me. Hopefully this weekend I'll be able to stop in for a class or two.

penguinsfan

09-09-04, 01:09 PM

Any UFC fans here among you martial arts enthusiasts? Gotta be, huh?

Been following it lately? Who/what do you like or dislike?

Jason1

09-09-04, 01:21 PM

Renato Verrisimo.

sikdogg

09-09-04, 02:14 PM

I'm definitely a UFC fan... i think i've justabout seen all of them (with the exception of one or two) since the first one. I like the old format better where there were no weight categories and the winner was determined after everyone was eliminated that night. They tyipcally fought 3-4 fights that night.

I think and always thought that Randy Coture is the baddest dude in the UFC. He routinely fought guys that were much larger than him and still managed to win the UFC heavyweight title several times and as a light heavyweight, he's pretty much unbeatable unless he get hurt like the last UFC when he got cut on his eye. Everyone was opitimistic that Vitor would give him a fight, but randy dominated him just like he does with everyone that he fights. Randy was also the first guy to beat Vitor years ago when everyone thought that Vitor was unstoppable. Althought Randy is a wrestler, he can also punch as he's proved by knocking out Liddel who is considered an great puncher. At 40 years old, Randy is THE MAN!!

9cyclops9

09-09-04, 03:18 PM

<we interrupt your regularly scheduled programming>

Ahem. I went to Yang's place last weekend. It was fantastic. I wanted to try some other schools out also so I went to a Wing Chun school. It sucked horribly. First of all, it's way too far from my apartment. I rode the subway for 30 minutes, then walked for 30 minutes, then I realized I was going to be late so I jogged another 15. I was 10 minutes late, and the instructor wasn't even there yet! >:( Plus, they were getting ready for a tournament, so they only let me participate for about half an hour, and the rest of the time I just watched. Three out of the 5 guys there were tubby and very out of shape, and they were the instructor and 2 black belts! I left an hour before class ended and I won't be back.

Then, yesterday I went to a school owned by a guy named Yao Li. It's the Boston Kung Fu Tai Chi Institute. It was incredible! What a workout! And this place is only a block away from my apartment, so I'm definitely sold! I just have to figure out how to pay for it. :s

sikdogg

09-09-04, 03:51 PM

That's great... sounds like you found a winner (and a loser). Good luck i'm sure you'll like the workouts alot.

penguinsfan

09-10-04, 12:19 PM

Yeah, Randy Couture is a badass and an inspiration. What he did to Chuck Liddell and Vitor Belfort was inhumane. I have to give props to Tim Sylvia too, despite his recent loss to Frank Mir, another pretty good fighter. As much as you love to hate him for his cockiness, I enjoy watching Phil Baroni to see if he'll unleash the quick fists, but he fought his last fight like a pussy. Cabbage Carrera is fun to watch, as he can take a beating like no one else. Matt Hughes is still tough as hell. I like watching Tito, though his career is falling apart and I don't know if he'll get another UFC fight if he loses to Guy Metzger.

There are a lot of good fighters in the UFC and I can't get enough of that shit. Myself, I like the newer formats. Too many guys were getting hurt under the old system and those guys can't fight their best when they have to fight multiple opponents in one night. I remember when that Steve Jennum guy stepped in and won the third UFC as an alternate and that really soured my opinion on the old system.

sikdogg

09-10-04, 10:09 PM

Iwant8X6

09-11-04, 12:27 AM

I personally train in Pai Lum Tao. The Tawainese police are trained in it.
Its a very well rounded system. Mixing White Lotus Kenpo with Pai Lum Kung Fu.

penguinsfan

09-11-04, 07:17 PM

I think that Tito should be able to beat Guy Metzger, but i think that he doesn't have the tools to become the champ again. I think Metzger is from Lion's Den and i just don't believe that their fighter are any good. The best fighter that Lion's Den produced was Frank Shamrock. Ken was always a disappointment... he always hurt this or that.

Yea, it was very annoying/disappointing when Jennum won as an alternate.

You know, when the first few UFCs were planned, they just got a few guys with martial arts backgrounds they thought would be willing to fight, to some extent. Once the sport got exposure, some real talent that had been previously unknown showed interest for the sport. This is evident in any sport. The guys that play pro football and hockey today are a hell of a lot better than the guys of 50 years ago, for the mostpart. If you ask me, any of those guys from the first five or six UFC events (yes, even Gracie) would be lucky to win one fight, if they scheduled five against the top competitors. It's sort of a supply and demand kind of thing. For example, if I plan a submission event and it doesn't get much exposure, I might actually win something myself. But 10 years later when the sport is popular and young fighters spent years aspiring to fight in it, I wouldn't stand a chance. These guys today are just too good to fight multiple fights in one night, as they'd all be injured in no time.

That's why the Lion's Den was badass years ago. They were one of the only places that schooled people for this style of NHB. Now, it's lost its fame that so many schools train for cage fighting.

sikdogg

09-11-04, 08:23 PM

I agree with you for the most part... the problem with the Gracie system is that they don't like to fight with any sort of time limits as this works best to their advantage. When they are constantly broken apart and have to start from standing position, they risk getting hit and losing the fight. Their strategy is generally to wear an opponent down til their opponent make a mistake.

Another point regarding the new format is that since the UFC is now sanctioned with the athletic commision, they were forced to change the format to something similar to boxing. Part of what i enjoyed with the first few UFC's was the rawness of the fighters. It was a true cage match similar to what one would see at underground fight pits.

I also think that part of the Lion's Den's problem is that they became arrogant and only train with each other and don't expose themselves to other schools/systems. They have become somewhat close minded with their training that they've become complacent. An example of this is when Ken trained for his fight with Tito, he claimed that he locked himself in the school and just trained with all his fighters. This may work if your students/trainees are at your level or above as they will push yout to be better, but since that wasn't the case Ken only wasn't able to improve and consequently lost the fight.

loco

09-11-04, 11:29 PM

personally I like the concept of JKD. Mix everything you learn along the way. keep what works for you and toss out what doesn't. IMHO if looking for an art for defense no one school of thought is ideal as each has some limits or lack of focus/training in certain areas to it. and the world of true mixed martial arts is evalving all the time. traditional schools are great for discipline and a start but in todays world you better be ready for just about everything.

sikdogg

09-12-04, 11:44 AM

Living in Southern California, i've had the opportunity to train under alot of different systems and instructors. I trained in Kali/JKD under Dan Inosanto and realized that although the concept was good, the reality is that JKD as it is today is no differnet from any other system. Yes i agree that the "concept" of JKD is ideal and that all you have to do is just take this and that, put it together and that's what JKD is all about. It's not... It is really a self discovery of yourself and your physical limitations. Bruce Lee's taught Jun Fan as the foundation for JKD, it incorporated Boxing, Savate, wrestling, Wing Chun, and other arts. Although Jun Fan is effective for alot of people it is often mistaken for JKD. Jun Fan was Bruce Lee's JKD... true JKD looks different for each person. This is what Bruce Lee meant when he said "my JKD is not your JKD." Bruce Lee encouraged his students to study as many different arts as possible, but not just take classes for a few months, but to actually study it 'til you get to the advanced levels in the art. Otherwise, how can you honestly know what works for you and what doesn't. Bruce Lee also encourage students to test your skills "under fire" to truely know what works, this meant that one shouldn't be afraid to get into real fights. The "JKD Level" as it used to be called at the Inosanto Academy took decades to achieve... much longer than what most students are willing to put in. The concept of mixed martial arts is a true parallel to the JKD concept.

loco

09-12-04, 02:22 PM

for the short time I was in atlanta I got to train a few times with sifu francis fong and some of his instructors, so I can relate. So I couldn't agree with you more sikdogg.

GhosT_DoGG

09-12-04, 03:04 PM

That ´Naked Warrior´book looks interesting. It's good you don't need to be a bulging-testestorone-bomb to be a good fighter. Has anybody read it?

Jason1

09-12-04, 05:20 PM

Dude its a workout book and it sucks.

9cyclops9

09-12-04, 05:24 PM

Let's see...Pavel's work and sucks shouldn't go in the same sentence. He's done some amazing stuff. Now, granted, those exercises won't get you big, but that doesn't mean they suck. That isn't their purpose. They are functional strength exercises. They wouldn't be good to use for a body builder or powerlifter, etc but they are good for say, boxers, martial artists, gymnasts, etc.

Jason1

09-12-04, 11:10 PM

The book SUCKS. Do you have it. It is based on two exercises. There is little real information in that book and there is a lot of focuds on pistols which you should never do if you would like to keep your knees. Pavel in general sucks.

9cyclops9

09-12-04, 11:27 PM

Ok, you can keep your opinion. That's all it is.

And yes, I own the book. Pavel in general has very good information for CERTAIN types of athletes. That was my point.

Jason1

09-13-04, 12:03 AM

Oh ok. I used to like Pavel but to me now it just seems like he is all over the place. And I own a KB and some of his videos on them. My opinion is KB's are useless.

penguinsfan

09-13-04, 12:30 AM

GhosT_DoGG

09-13-04, 01:16 PM

What are pistols?
Gun? Bang bang your dead :P

Zurik

09-13-04, 02:37 PM

No need for JKD or any other crap either...

9cyclops9

09-13-04, 04:52 PM

Could you explain what you mean? JKD is one of the foundations of modern martial arts. And what other crap?

Zurik

09-14-04, 09:33 AM

"Quote:
Originally Posted by penguinsfan
What are pistols?

Gun? Bang bang your dead"

Reply to quote- "No need for JKD or any other crap either..."

9cyclops9

09-14-04, 12:10 PM

Oh :D

I had a slow moment. lol

nickynine

09-18-04, 08:24 PM

I agree with most people here. I train 5-6 days a week. If you live in Los Angeles then train in Krav Maga. I have been training for 5 years at the national training center. If you don't live here, then don't train in Krav Maga unless you check to see if they are liscended to teach Krav Maga. You can sheck by contacting Chuck at the national traing center in Los Angeles. I would recommend B.J.J., I have been taking B.J.J. since I was 12 years old. B.J.J. is the ultimate for one on one. Krav is great for defens against multipule attackers, defense aginst knifes and guns. I hope this helps.

Jason1

09-18-04, 09:03 PM

Who do you train BJJ with?

Banana Skin

10-14-04, 11:38 PM

check out sherdog.com if u wanna know more about MMA

wdis3

11-15-04, 03:56 PM

Nothing beats street fighting, karate doesnt work on the street, lets get real. On the streets, the guy who fights the dirtyest always wins.

9_16

11-23-04, 12:59 AM

Guys, if one was to say "X" is the best fighting system in the whole wide world, they would be wrong.
Because in reality, it doesn't matter what style you train. What matters is, YOU!

To the people that think BJJ is the best for self-defence, my answer is...... NOOOOO!
Why? Because in BJJ training, we roll around on mats. Read the key word "roll".

Imagine you are outside on the street, you will roll around on concrete! Imagine you're at a club, you will roll around near peoples feet (if you can even get down there) and roll around where there is broken glass.

Also, imagine this... you are fighting one guy, you get him down - since you are only fighting him, you are only concentrating on him -you apply a rear naked choke or an arm bar, and then "BBAAMMMM!", out of nowhere a mate of his comes and starts stomping the crap out of you. It's not good to be on the ground when you are in a street fight. However, this doesn't mean you should't train BJJ.
I am and I'm loving it. The more experienced I get, the better!

I'm also doing Muay Thai. IMO, Muay Thai will work better in a street self-defence situation than BJJ. Why? Because a street confrontation should only take a maximum of 30 seconds or so. Any longer and you have real trouble there. You shouldn't even try to go down to the ground (concrete most of the time). If you have good striking skills, technique and power, you can tell the aggressor that you do not want to fight, and then when his guard is down, hit him with a KING HIT... game over for him as he is KOed and pwneddd! :D

In conclusion, TRY NOT TO GET INVOLVED IN A STREET FIGHT, if you are scared for your life, avoid it by running away to a safer location. If you have to fight, then fight like you have never fought before.

Remember, it's not the style, it's you!

:D PS. I will PM you the method of obtaining good self defence tapes and books. :D :D

Jason1

11-23-04, 01:04 AM

BJJ is the best. You say that Muay Thai is better but what is that Thai boxer going to be able to do when he gets taken down? Nothing.
P.S. Muay Thai is great but BJJ is better.

9_16

11-23-04, 01:05 AM

Oh yes I forgot,

Pride FC > UFC

Jason1

11-23-04, 01:05 AM

True.

9_16

11-23-04, 01:20 AM

BJJ is the best. You say that Muay Thai is better but what is that Thai boxer going to be able to do when he gets taken down? Nothing.
P.S. Muay Thai is great but BJJ is better.

I can understand where you are coming from. You are biased. You stated that you have trained in BJJ and also with Royce. I hate you for that. rofl
I train it too but not with super stars! <:(

However, you missed my point.

BJJ is very good. One of the best for one on one.

But if the BJJ practitioner takes someone down, and that someone has friends somewhere, they can come and kick the shit out of the BJJ guys face while he is rolling on the ground.

I do not care if I didn't persuade you. I only typed what I thought.

Yes, BJJ > Muay Thai, in a ring. Outside, it is crazy to do that shit on concrete.

Jason1, on the street, if you want to ROLL AROUND ON CONCRETE, as opposed to finishing it quickly, that is your problem, not mine.

Jason1

11-23-04, 01:34 AM

I see your point. But in real life nothing prepares you for having to fight multiple opponents. A Thai boxer can also get dipped on by someone's boys. I know what you mean about rolling around on concrete and shit like that. I mean I also do some Thai boxing but sometimes a guy is just too tough to stand and strike and need to be taken down. If not then they're a fish and not worth even fighting. I would rather get all bruised and broken rolling on the ground and really destroy the person.

sLap

11-23-04, 12:26 PM

Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu. Best for street fights. Dude in UFC used that before there was weight classes and such. Fucked up the biggest guy. Hoice Gracey was his name. The gracey family has their own style too.

Joyce Gracie was his name.

I wouldn’t recommend BJ on it’s own for a street fight. Although the Gracie’s were championing (and still do) it as the “best” street fighting system it’s not well suited the way Joyce used it. He relied on the guard which requires taking someone to the ground. He also needed time to wear most of his opponents down particularly as the fighting community caught on. Anyone that’s been in a bar/street fight and ended up on the ground knows the hazards of this approach – Boots to the head!

IMO BJ has it’s place but I don’t care much for the clinch or the sloppy shoots. The clinch works no doubt, particularly against lager opponents and if you’ve lost initiative. But given the choice I’d rather stay up or shoot for a leg.

Best supplement to BJ is freestyle wrestling. Good transitions, amazing takedowns (watch your throat!) and they’ve done a good job of adapting it for submission wrestling.

sikdogg

11-23-04, 12:38 PM

This goes back to no one style is best... Royce trained in boxing/kickboxing and kickboxers now train in grappling. Why?? because it makes them a more complete fighter. I good fighter these days is one that can utilized movements from boxing to Muy Thai to wrestling to BJJ. Only by becoming well versed in a variety of styles will you have the right tool for a given situation. This is also what Bruce Lee advocated 30-40 years ago...

Jason, how long have you been training with Royce??

bIgjOe

11-23-04, 08:12 PM

Wow I'm so glad this thread got started. Martial Arts and PE are two huge parts of my everyday life and it seems the two are overlapping. Anyway, I have been in the Martial Arts for a long time even though i'm only 18. I have been a long time kickboxer, I've boxed, and continue to wrestle and train Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. I personally believe that if you are looking solely at defending yourself in a night club or bar or on the street a solid striking art is probably the best choice. It will make you the toughest in the shortest amount of time.
When I say solid striking art I'm talking about something where you are constantly giving or taking shots regularly in training. Boxing is good but in my experience you will get hit alot more if you get into a scuffle because lets face it, everyone who tries to start shit at least thinks they know how to throw punches. BJJ is extremely excellent, but i think you will be alot less effective if you are not dedicated to your training. True, someone training BJJ for a month or two can submit just about any untrained thug, but as far as taking them down or controlling them enough to not get your faced turned into hamburger in the mean time (especially if you pull guard) that takes alot more experience. I would personally choose a solid Muay Thai school, or hard-nosed competitive kickboxing gym, even somewhat over boxing and BJJ for a beginner. There are certain moves like the plum clinch that will give you an extreme striking advantage over just about anyone you can get it on, whether they have previous training or not.
I know my age might seem kinda young but I have been down and dirty in the martial arts world, training with people who I don't think I would trade for anyone else. I have acheived many accolades already in various fighting circuits and plan on breaking into the MMA scene after college. Also with the Kickboxing I think the biggest advantage is having proficient strikes from varying ranges more so than boxing. Of course the best answer is to mix up ground and striking skills, but if you are a beginner with no prior training and want to become a tougher fighter faster, take my advice.
-Joe

bIgjOe

11-23-04, 08:23 PM

Yeah Sikdogg, I believe we have pretty similar views on the Mixed Martial Arts. I would say the same about Jason, but I disagree on the Krav Maga. I have sparred with multiple people that practiced this art for several years, and find alot of holes in the style that I was able to take advantage of and pick apart, but that may just be me. Of course I cannot discredit it completely because i personally have never trained in it, and it may be one of those arts that is much more street oriented then in the ring. If this is the case I apologize, it probably is a great art, its just my opinion that there is better out there.

P.S. Randy Couture, and Frank Shamrock are two of the greatest ever, both excellent technical fighters and besides that they are great ambassadors to the sport with their positive attitude and eloquent speaking nature. I also admire Hughes, Horn, Henderson, and Brennan very much. Partly because I relate to their type of personality.

sikdogg

11-23-04, 10:11 PM

...I personally believe that if you are looking solely at defending yourself in a night club or bar or on the street a solid striking art is probably the best choice. It will make you the toughest in the shortest amount of time.
When I say solid striking art I'm talking about something where you are constantly giving or taking shots regularly in training. Boxing is good but in my experience you will get hit alot more if you get into a scuffle because lets face it, everyone who tries to start shit at least thinks they know how to throw punches. ...
I totally agree with you here... in my opinion, boxing is the fastest way to learn self defense. It teaches you head movement, hand skills, footwork, and most of all alot of sparring time. The biggest detriment of most martial arts is the lack of contact sparring or "fight time." Only in sparring can one truely apply what they've learned.

Th only thing i disagree with you on is in a nightclub or bar situation, striking isn't the best course of action in most cases. I've been a bouncer for a short time and have been in a few bar "scuffles" and what i learned is that standup grappling skills rule. It allows you to control an opponent and talk him down before things get out of hand. this was important for me since i was the smallest bouncer and alot of time i had to face guys that were bigger than me. There are some situations where if you apply too much force, you just may cause the persons friends to get involved and cause a riot. I was bouncing at a punk concert once and that's exactly what almost happened, on of the bouncers got too rough and he almost caused a riot. Since we were outnumbered by at least 50 to 1, that would have been really bad for us.

Jason1

11-23-04, 11:40 PM

bihjoe, I never said anything about my views on Krav Maga. But I personally think that it BLOWS.

bIgjOe

11-24-04, 01:19 AM

Oh man Jason1 my bad your right, on page 3 you made a comment right after nickynine gave his comments about Krav Maga, I guess I was just reading over that part too fast and got the names jumbled. Sorry about that, but reading over the posts I do like your attitude.
Sikdogg, by mentioning bars and clubs I merely meant situations where fights can happen unexpectedly, or with little notice, and not speaking particularly about bouncers either. However, I cannot disagree that standup grappling is very effective, another reason why I particularly advocated the Muay Thai training as some of their standing clinch work I have found to be very effective. From what I've seen among bouncers I'm assuming the standup grappling you speak of derives more from a wrestling background? Anyway, I've heard from some of the people I train with that are bouncers that it is a very addictive job, do you believe it was harder to get hired as a smaller guy? How much do you weigh? Anyway just making interesting conversation, I'm glad there are other fighters on this forum to talk to as I believe combat athletes are much different than other athletes and we will have better insight in eachother's routines.

9_16

11-24-04, 04:19 AM

But I personally think that it BLOWS.

I agree.

sikdogg

11-24-04, 10:40 AM

The standup grappling that i've used came from a variety of systems. I wrestled at the state level in high school, had trained in BJJ, and most of my friend were also martial artist so we always exchanged movements and techniques.

You can get quite a rush from the adrenaline when stuff happens and as a martial artist it lets you apply some of the stuff that you've learned so i can see how it's addictive for some. Yea alot of bars/clubs don't like hiring small guy for obvious reasons. That is unless they know you and what you can do. They always prefer a large intimidating looking guys to deter the average Joe from starting trouble in the first place. I weighed around 175-180 when i was bouncing and worked mostly in clubs close to colleges where they hosted local rock/punk bands on weekends.

Hey bro, nice talking to you and if i didn't already say it... welcome to MOS.

bIgjOe

11-24-04, 10:59 AM

Thanks dude, I knew before I joined this was a great group of people because I was reading around, but I still didn't know just how cool you guys were.

HOOSYODADDI

11-25-04, 07:17 PM

Has anyone here trained for any length of time in Pa Kua? If so, how effective did you think the art was for self-defense/combat? I myself was trained a little bit in Pa Kua by a decent instructor in Houston. What little I learned seemed to emphasize footwork, upper-body striking(no kicking), blocking and energy work (read = internal martial art). My personal impression of the art is that it was very good for building core strength, balance, agility and focus/concentration.

I'd like to study Pa Kua more, but I live in Austin (TX) now and don't know of any good instructors. For me, quality instruction is very important. I would not mind studying another art, but again, who's good here in Austin? And by "good," I mean somebody that has great/perfect technique AND knows how to teach well too. Free lessons would be nice too :s (while I'm asking for the impossible :P ).