GABA

[8 isn't enough]

This stuff is absolutely wonderful! It is a GH antagonist and a happy pill. Great stuff man. I started it yesterday and its so much better than those Rx pills for depression or anxiety. Absolutely the best supplement I have taken as of yet. Here is a write up about it:
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GABA is a naturally occurring amino acid, found in the brain and the body. It is one of a class of inhibitory neurotransmitters that include serotonin. Although it is classed as an inhibitor rather than a stimulator its definition is only one of electrochemical activity in the brain and should not be interpreted as a downer or sedative - just the term neurotransmitter defines its ability as a natural substance that helps nerve impulses cross synapses and communicate with one another.

GABA usage will stimulate the release by the pituitary gland of Human Growth Hormone (HGH) (or Growth Hormone (GH)) which is naturally released by the body when it undergoes vigorous peak muscular exercise, during certain phases of sleep, or restricted food intake. The growth hormone is produced by the pituitary gland, located at the base of the brain. Even small doses (2-5 grams) can increase circulating growth hormone by more than 5 times its normal levels.

GH stimulates growth and repair of the body as well as the activities of the immune system. The immune system is run down by excess exercise without the proper nutrition. GH also helps the body burn fat and convert it into energy and muscle and aids in wound healing and tissue repair. GH is widely known for its powerful anabolic (muscle building) effects as well as its lipotropic (breakdown and utilization of body fat) effects. The overall result of these effects is an increase in lean tissue mass and a decrease in body fat. Finally, stimulating naturally the levels of GH leads to greater feelings of energy and vigour.

Additionally, GABA has been shown to have positive toning effects on the nervous system, to improve sleep cycles leading to more restful sleep and more interesting lucid dreaming, to have a powerful stabilising effect on blood pressure and to be an effective analgesic (removing the perception of pain).

GABA is a very safe supplement and can be used daily. GABA has also been shown to act as a powerful natural analgesic through its stimulation of the brain's release of endorphins.

Based upon the scientific evidence, a combination of GABA and exercise would have the best effect on stimulating the natural secretion of growth hormone. Resulting in better utilization of stored fat, an increase in firm, lean tissue and a more healthy, shapely body!

Many of these effects are also to be gained by other components of the supplement and are thus reinforced. The dosage is low as the components are working together and there is a natural overall effect of body stimulation leading to more energy.

[nystrongstroke]

Is this something a physchiatrist has to put a prescription out for,or can u buy it over the counter.

[8 isn't enough]

You can get it at GNC or someplace online. It's all natural with no side effects to speak of.

[KingD]

www.vitaminshoppe.com has 750mg tablets ($8.48 for 90) and other GABA supplements at very cheap prices. Sounds like this supplement is a joy-of-life enhancer while enhancing growth throughout your body(I wonder if that includes extremities such as the penis?).

[8 isn't enough]

I'm loosing body fat at a good rate. I credit this to the GH that GABA induces. If you take it, do it at night on an empty stomach.

[ItsElectric]

That's very interesting.. and VERY CHEAP!! What would be a good dosage to get?

-ItsElectric

[8 isn't enough]

I take just over 2g of it per night. They come in 750mg pills and I take 3 per night. You might feel a tingling effect in your neck and head. This is normal and nothing to worry about.

[ItsElectric]

What brand name of the stuff do you take? I've been in some pretty deep depression lately, but I'm gonna find a way to come outta it! This is sounding very promising! By the way if you take it before bed, does the happy effect last throughout the next day or what? :)

Also there seems to be GABA Plus etc... which would be best for depression and stress?

-ItsElectric

[8 isn't enough]

I use the stuff at GNC. The effect lasts all day but I also take 1 in the morning to supplement things. You'll see the difference with in 2 days.

The GABA plus 5-htp? I don't take it but it may indeed work better.

[KingD]

Did you notice any benefits to using this supplement for PE? How long have you been taking GABA?

[8 isn't enough]

I havent taken it for more than a week as of yet. I don't know if it will help with PE or not. I know it will help with body building. We will see how it works with PE. The GH release will help with collagen growth.

[pUNKY]

How do these pills work?

[ApostleInTriumph]

8 isn't enuf
interesting stuff. Is there any side effects of excesive HGH. Are there possible metabolites/pathways of excessive HGH? Also HGH induces skeletal growth also right? SO does it increase your height also along with muscle?

[8 isn't enough]

Some water retention in joints. Excessive collagen growth. Possible high blood suger also. No height change. GABA will not act to hike up GH to the point you might feel these side effects. The only GH side I have noticed is lowered body fat and some aching in my knees. Not too bad.

[ApostleInTriumph]

Have you researched on this? Like clinical studies? Becuase hormones are something I'd prefer not to fiddle with, unless there's statistical breakdown of side effects. I know that DHEA and Testosterone supplementation could have side effects...

[8 isn't enough]

Yes, I have researched this. There is no conclusive evidence of anything other that I have listed. HGH will make you live a longer and more productive life.

On top of this, GABA isn't putting hormones into your body, rather stimulates your body to produce HGH. There is a distinct difference in the side effects of exogenously administered and endogenous production of hormones.

I'd be suprised, no shocked, if you could find one negitive study involving GABA.

[ApostleInTriumph]

Yeah you are right. I did a quick search and couldn't find side effects other than stuff like dizziness, possible siezures, increased heart rate or blood pressure (I mean these were reported side effects but warnings, saying that if you get any of the above run to the shirk)...

The only thing I worry about is whether external administration of GABA will affect the body's natural production (reduce natural internal GABA production). If that *could* be true then you cannot get off GABA life long. Also did you come across any clinical study? I didn't find a clinical study paper.

[8 isn't enough]

The reason your testicals don't produce testosterone from long term use of AAS is that you end up with testicular atrophy. I do not think that your brain will atrophy.

"Third, oral administration of gamma-aminobutryic acid (GABA) to both men and women has shown rapid increases in HGH (5). GABA is an amino acid neurotransmitter that signals the pituitary to release HGH. Research into GABA has been varied with no negative side effects ever reported with either short term or long term use. As little as two grams of GABA taken immediately before bed should promote the development of lean tissue while decreasing body fat."

http://www.betterbodz.com/library/humangro.html

As far as a double binded clinical trial of GABA. I don't know if one exists. If so, I'm sure it would be at pubmed.

[ApostleInTriumph]

Yeah, I couldn't find any studies in Pubmed! But the article you posted has a very interesting take in body building ----->
"The extent of the increase depends on the number of sets completed and the amount of rest between sets. The more aggressive and intense the workout, the more HGH is released."

On the other hand I've heard that doing too many sets and exceeding 10 reps per set can be counterproductive to increasing muscle mass. It could be that although HGH is increased with increased sets & reps, cortisol eats up existing muscle and catabolism exceeds HGH's anabolism?

In any case GABA sounds exciting. Moreover I agree with you that endogenous HGH sounds safe. Here's an abstract which says 80mg of GABA/day seems to reduce hypertension!! On the other hand I did read that GHB (which has a similar structure to GABA, missing one hydroxyl group) has been found to increase blood pressure.... Man, biochemistry is mind boggling!! I feel more *secure* in my domain of computer science!;)

http://www.lifescience.co.jp/yk/yk02/nov/ab4.htm

[ApostleInTriumph]

Originally posted by 8 isn't enough
I use the stuff at GNC. The effect lasts all day but I also take 1 in the morning to supplement things.

What "effect" are you referring to? Is it a sedative kinda effect? Or worse, does it kick like pot??

[finalsight]

I take it you are talking about the american GNC site, cos i had a look on the UK site and couldn't find it. Does anyone know a UK site where i can get some?

[8 isn't enough]

What "effect" are you referring to? Is it a sedative kinda effect? Or worse, does it kick like pot??

It just calms you but doesn't take away from you energy.

[SlamInTheLamb]

finalsight

I've ordered some from here http://www.bodybuildingsupplement.co.uk/p36.html

[ItsElectric]

Goin to GNC tonight to pick some up. Will report effects! :)

-ItsElectric

[C-Guy]

Just got home with mine. Picked it up on the way home from the gym. Now to get this stomach empty so i can take it.

[ItsElectric]

What would be good doses, before bed and in the morning for someone with my stats:

Age: 18
Weight: 130lbs
Height: 5'6"

Yes you read that right, I'm a little guy.. In one way, anyways. ;)

-ItsElectric

EDIT:: Just found this:

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/supplements-reviews/gaba-information-effects.htm

Research shows that at least 2 grams of GABA should be taken for it to be effective. 5g is shown to be more effective, and the effectiveness of GABA is maxed out at 18 grams. There are studies done on GABA where it's administered either orally or intravenously. Taking GABA orally is not as effective as taking it intravenously; however it's more reflective of expected real world results, as most GABA supplements are designed to be taken orally. Despite this, GABA is effective even when taken orally.

Would you be able to place this under your tongue and have it dissolve there for quicker results as well as more of it getting to your system?

-ItsElectric

[ApostleInTriumph]

Most of hte sites I went through recommended 2 g/day, taken just before sleeping. I read somewhere that the best bet was to take 1g and hour before sleeping and another gram 2 hours after u've slept (waking you up with an alarm clock)! That's because the pituitary gland releases HGH just after falling asleep. So if you time your gaba dosage in that interval the blood level of HGH will add up! But then, I'm not that mad to wake up after 2 hrs!!

[8 isn't enough]

You really don't have to take it sub lingual. You will feel it very well at 2g orally. It probably tastes bad anyway. Believe me, it works fine as is.

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[SlamInTheLamb]

Got mine yesterday and took some last night. It recommended a 5g dosage on the tub so that's what I took. After about 20mins my face, scalp and arms had a strange tingling sensation :p

8 isn't enough, can you really notice a difference in your body fat after taking GABA for such a short time? (I hope so cos' that's what I'm taking it for :) )

My theory is that it will help me on my PE quest by way of increasing my NBP size (I currently have a pubic fat pad of 1 1/4" :( ).

I'm approx 35lbs overweight and have started training 4-5 times a week. So by losing this excess weight and fat pad, my dick should look a lot bigger! Oh...and I suppose it might help me live longer. lol.

[8 isn't enough]

Yes, my body fat has really went down in the short time I have used it. My fat pad hasn't changed a bit though. It might over time but it hasn't in the time I've used it so far.

[SlamInTheLamb]

8, are you doing any exercise as well?

[8 isn't enough]

Not really. I do some curls and bench maybe one day a week. Using GABA with excersise probably will excellerate gains as well as lower your fat much better than not doing much like me.

[SlamInTheLamb]

Lets hope so :)

[C-Guy]

Took the GABA last night and had the skin "flush" tingles. It was comparable to taking niacin for the flush anyways. What strength are you guys taking? Mine is 500mg per tablet.

[8 isn't enough]

Mine is 750mg per and I take 3 nightly and sometimes one in the morning.

[ApostleInTriumph]

8
I'm worried about the increased metabolism in a way. My metabolism isn't bad as such. With increased meta could there be muscle loss? Have you noticed muscle loss or thinning a tthe arms etc along with fat reduction?

[8 isn't enough]

None. Its not, in a classic sense, raising your metabolism. More, its using the fat to build muscle. This is how GH works. Its anabolic and not catabolic.

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[8 isn't enough]

On the other hand I did read that GHB (which has a similar structure to GABA, missing one hydroxyl group) has been found to increase blood pressure....

Adrenaline, caffeine and speed are also very similar in molecular structure but act very differently inside the body.

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[finalsight]

SlamInTheLamb

I had a look at that site and will get some when my pay comes through.

Just 1 Q are they in pill form and if so how many mg/g in a pill?

just asking that cos looking at the site it looks like its in powder form.

Also, i'm going to start taking some tribulus and wanted to know if there are much side effects (mainly small balls as it deals with testosterone).

I'm going to take these, stick to a diet and i'm joining a gym in order to shift a lot of weight (esspesically the fat pad cos at the mo i have a negative FNBP length:( )

[ApostleInTriumph]

One more Q for 8!
I know GABA has a sedative effect and might infact induce sleep. but the tingling sensation everyone reports. Are you able to fall asleep with that, or is it an excitory effect (like endorphins have an energising effect after exercise)? Thanks

[8 isn't enough]

Its not a stimulating feeling. But it might be difficult to actually fall asleep while this is going on. If you take it right before bed, you might actually fall asleep before it begins. I personally, just allow it to do its thing before I fall asleep. I think its a personal choice.

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[ItsElectric]

I didn't get a tingling sensation when I took 3 last night, and I took one this morning, but damn did I sleep good! I dunno if it's working already, but I already feel nice, calm and euphoric. Hehehe!

-ItsElectric

[ApostleInTriumph]

Originally posted by ItsElectric
but I already feel nice, calm and euphoric. Hehehe!

-ItsElectric

Wow, that sounds like a kick ;)

[ItsElectric]

Originally posted by ApostleInTriumph
Wow, that sounds like a kick ;)

Haha, one can only hope it's from the pills and not just my mind thinking that this stuff works good. :)

-ItsElectric

[C-Guy]

What? YOU have a mind? HHHHUUUUMMMMMM! Sorry bud...couldn't restist!

[stillwantmore]

Interesting indeed, are you supposed to cycle this stuff I wonder? Perhaps it could be a good PE supp if it could help strengthen the upper body muscles used when stretching....that would mean you could pull more effectively. Hmm, I'm gonna run by GNC tomorrow.

[SlamInTheLamb]

finalsight...it comes in powder form and recommends a 5g dosage which is basically 1 teaspoon mixed with warm water before going to bed. BTW, it doesn't taste of anything.

I wouldn't say that the tingling sensation is severe enough to stop you falling asleep. I like the feeling as it means that something is happening :)

I can see that it's definately going to help my fat loss due to the fact that it's supposed to be taken before bed on an empty stomach. I've always eaten snacks at night so this is motivating me not to.

[8 isn't enough]

Still,
You dont have to cycle it. You could take it everyday for 10 years with no problems happening. As far as it making you stronger, I dont know if it will make you any stronger or not. All it will do is increase the effectiveness of your muscle training workout.



Haha, one can only hope it's from the pills and not just my mind thinking that this stuff works good.

When I first took it, I thought there is no way this herbal stuff will work. Now almost 2 weeks later, I'm definitely a true believer.

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[ItsElectric]

Originally posted by C-Guy
What? YOU have a mind? HHHHUUUUMMMMMM! Sorry bud...couldn't restist!

Haha, Duur Dwee DOUMAOIHJ AhhACK!!!!! :rolleyes:

-ItsElectric

[ApostleInTriumph]

Originally posted by 8 isn't enough
You could take it everyday for 10 years with no problems happening.
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Are you kinda sure about that? From what I saw there have been hardly any studies on Gaba in humans. I'm wonderng if there could be some kinda feedback reaction to limit the natural levels of GABA due to supplementation. I think increased HGH will have no negative effects, but I'm wondering if GABa supplementation will lead to any changesin the naturally secreted GABA by the body. Maybe you should stop taking it after 1 or 2 months and see if you suddenly put on wieght or if you are not able to sleep well, etc. I think I'll go for it for a short time though...

[8 isn't enough]

People commonly take SSRI's for many many years without having a negative feedback response. Although the amount of free Serotonin in your body climbs higher (from reported effects), there is no proof that the body stops manufacturing it. This what I am basing my statements on.

Although I will agree that the body will try to achieve homeostasis and some down regulation will undoubtedly occur. I do not believe that GABA will cause any true psychical addiction. If your body is dependent on outside sources for certain chemicals, this is called psychical addiction and there are absolutely no reports of any withdraw occurring.

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[SnakePlissken]

Doesn't Gaba break down in the body as GHB? Isn't it relatively similar to GHB in some aspects but less dangerous too? I heard it can be used to quit smoking by supplementing it via your diet too.

[8 isn't enough]

Yes, but it doesn't have all the side efects of GHB. The reason I never mentioned this is that GHB is known to increase blood pressure while GABA has shown no such effect. In fact, GABA has a regulatory effect on blood pressure.

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[SnakePlissken]

Now I heard of people taking it for Attention Deficit Disorders yet it says not to take this with attention deficit disorder. I also so it can ease people kicking a nasty smoking habit. I guess it has something to do with the dopamine? These google searches blow, so much trash in the way. All commercial sites and no good facts. Real pain in my dick looking this stuff up.

[8 isn't enough]

Where did you see not to take it if you have ADHD? Some products are designed for ADHD have GABA as the main ingredient.

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[SnakePlissken]

Warnings:

Before taking GABA, tell your doctor if you are pregnant or breastfeeding
Do not take GABA if you have any of the following conditions: Prader-Willi Syndrome (1), Angelman Syndrome (1), encephalopathy (brain disease including dementia) due to liver disease (2), or behavior disorders (such as attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) (3)
Side Effects: Stop taking your medicine right away and talk to your doctor if you have any of the following side effects. Your medicine may be causing these symptoms which may mean you are allergic to it.

Breathing problems or tightness in your throat or chest
Chest pain
Skin hives, rash, or itchy or swollen skin
Other Possible Side Effects: You may have the following side effects, but this medicine may also cause other side effects. Tell your doctor if you have side effects that you think are caused by this medicine.

Visual field defects have been reported with use of the synthetic form of GABA (available by prescription only) (4)
Flushing, increased mood, anxiety, and increases in blood pressure and heart rate have been documented in animals given GABA (5)


Got it off google by way of this here website!
http://www.genesishealth.com/micromedex/altmedgen/ame0359.aspx

[8 isn't enough]

That site also says it's for manic-depressive (bipolar) disorder, ADHD and bipolar disorder are related. I have ADHD and I take GABA with astonishing results. I will write them an email about that. Its obviously a mistake.

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[SnakePlissken]

I guess some shit can work for you and some won't. Everyone is different in some way. That's the thing about this Internet it is all contradictory with website to website differences. I used to like it when it was just for porno, you smart people ruined a perfect thing.

So what is the symptoms of this attention deficit you have? How does Gaba patch them up? Do they take a while as in one by one? Or do they all fall into place at once? How soon to they return to bite you in the ass when you stop swallowing this stuff? You able personally to drink on that?

[stillwantmore]

So I got some GABA. Bought a bottle of the 750mg softgel caps. 90 count, GNC brand. I will try taking it 3 pills, twice daily. Once in the morning before eating and again in the evening before bed. I have taken it twice so far as of this evening. No "tingle" as reported by some above. I have yet to feel anything actually. Then again, this is only the first day and I did not get much sleep the night before ...perhaps fatigue has something to do with my perception of "not feeling anything" from the GABA? We'll see what, if anything happens.

[C-Guy]

No tingles here since the second dose. Guess you get used to it. Something I am watching is after about 20-30 min of taking it it gets hard to breathe like a heaviness in the chest area. I was hoping this would help the malignant hypertension. Gonna try it a couple more times.... and if the breathing issue continues , i'm stopping it.

[SlamInTheLamb]

Still, the dosage I'm taking is twice your amount and in powder form. This may have something to do with the 'tingling'.

Last night I ate late and didn't have any sensations so I think an empty stomach (as recommended) it a key.

[8 isn't enough]

In some research circles, GABA is referred to as the “anxiety” amino acid for its function in the utilization of one of the B vitamins, niacinamide, also known as B3. In a normally functioning brain, niacin is encouraged to bind with the benzodiazepine receptors, and the body is better able to deal with stressors. If the diet is low in niacin, or the body cannot utilize it properly, stress plays a big factor in the brain function. As many ADHD sufferers will tell you, stress causes them to blank out, and no amount of encouragement will allow them to recover normal function until the stressor is removed, or the sufferer is removed from the stress. In the normal scope of untreated ADHD, the child may learn to arouse himself to anger to “jumpstart” his brain, one of the many reasons that about 80 percent of male child diagnoses with ADHD are also diagnosed with Oppositional Defiance Disorder or ODD.

http://fl.essortment.com/whatgaba_rcdb.htm

From this, is looks like it is great for ADHD. Someone said the tingles felt like taking Niacin. Maybe this is the reason?

Also, C-Guy/Still I will buy your remaining GABA is you decide to quit!

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[ItsElectric]

Originally posted by 8 isn't enough
In some research circles, GABA is referred to as the “anxiety” amino acid for its function in the utilization of one of the B vitamins, niacinamide, also known as B3. In a normally functioning brain, niacin is encouraged to bind with the benzodiazepine receptors, and the body is better able to deal with stressors. If the diet is low in niacin, or the body cannot utilize it properly, stress plays a big factor in the brain function. As many ADHD sufferers will tell you, stress causes them to blank out, and no amount of encouragement will allow them to recover normal function until the stressor is removed, or the sufferer is removed from the stress. In the normal scope of untreated ADHD, the child may learn to arouse himself to anger to “jumpstart” his brain, one of the many reasons that about 80 percent of male child diagnoses with ADHD are also diagnosed with Oppositional Defiance Disorder or ODD.

http://fl.essortment.com/whatgaba_rcdb.htm

From this, is looks like it is great for ADHD. Someone said the tingles felt like taking Niacin. Maybe this is the reason?

Also, C-Guy/Still I will buy your remaining GABA is you decide to quit!

8

I believe I too had ADHD, but lately I've been purely focused on what I'm supposed to be doing (thinking of ways to get into this college, planning out my money use for moving into an apartment etc.. I love this stuff!

I feel this stuff mostly before I head to bed. *takes pills waits like 2 hours, then goes to bed*

-ItsElectric

[C-Guy]

I am going to reduce the dosage for a while and see what that does.. Still had trouble breathing for about an hour after taking the last dose. Not your fault 8 at all. It probably has something to do with all the other meds that I am currently on. After 50 plus mini strokes in three years ( had a bad one last week) I am just being very careful.

[stillwantmore]

I took 3 grams before going to bed at 1:00 a.m. this morning...slept until 11:00 this morning. Some of the best sleep I have had in a while.

[SnakePlissken]

Sounds like you are having a reaction identical to what I posted a few spaces above.

[SnakePlissken]

Originally posted by 8 isn't enough
In the normal scope of untreated ADHD, the child may learn to arouse himself to anger to “jumpstart” his brain, one of the many reasons that about 80 percent of male child diagnoses with ADHD are also diagnosed with Oppositional Defiance Disorder or ODD.

http://fl.essortment.com/whatgaba_rcdb.htm

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What is this ODD? Is it just crankiness from hell that guys do? Or is it a real psychological ailment?:confused:

[8 isn't enough]

It's a term used for children that throw fits all the time and won't listen to any authority figure.

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[ApostleInTriumph]

Is that a disorder? I'd say that's the way to go :p

[SnakePlissken]

Shit, every kid has that disease then. There goes Psychology with its made up epidemics.

[ApostleInTriumph]

A question for 8
What is the difference between a secretagogue and GABA? I read that Glutamine, Lysine, Ornithine and certain peptides are amino acid secretagogues. Now GABA is also an amino acid and theoretically stimulates endo-HGH release, so isn't it also an amino acid secretagogue? Also have you come across any studies comparing GABA with Lysine, Glutamine, etc? What made you go for GABA instead of the above? Thanks

[8 isn't enough]

Yes, HGH is made up of 191 amino acids. I haven't seen a comparison chart as of yet.

L-arginine is also known for the relaese of HGH but, from I have seen, more in the elderly rather than the young.

I went with GABA because of its ability to calm you.

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[ApostleInTriumph]

Here's an article you might find interestng -
http://www.hghacademy.com/human-growth-hormone/article01.htm

Also-
rHGH study on bone and collagen - (28 days)
http://www.hghacademy.com/human-growth-hormone/article48.htm

HGH intake may not help in anti ageing - (author supported by Eli Lilly, Genentech )
http://www.hghacademy.com/human-growth-hormone/article71.htm

[8 isn't enough]

Glutamine is a GABA precursor if I recall. Great find though. I have seen these before. My thinking is that it may help with PE but who knows?

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[8 isn't enough]

I just recently stacked GABA with L-Arginine and L-Ornithine. This is my 3rd day doing it and my pants no longer fit. 3g L-Arginine with 2g L-Ornithine and a total of 4.5g of GABA.

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[ApostleInTriumph]

Couldn't understand.. what exactly do you mean? I thought waist size has nothing to do with muscle gain! So have you put on fat or what??:confused:

[ApostleInTriumph]

Man, if not for your being a BioChem wiz I'd think you are a junkie!! :D So what has GABA done to you so far? Anything noticible? Also how long do you plan to cycle? I think atleast 4 months? The only reason I'm not jumping into it is I'm kinda scared that it might affect the natural balance (level of secretion) by the pituitary in the long run. Any idea on this?

[8 isn't enough]

Originally posted by ApostleInTriumph
Couldn't understand.. what exactly do you mean? I thought waist size has nothing to do with muscle gain! So have you put on fat or what??:confused:

I'm loosing body fat. My pants are too big...


Man, if not for your being a BioChem wiz I'd think you are a junkie!! :D So what has GABA done to you so far? Anything noticible? Also how long do you plan to cycle? I think atleast 4 months? The only reason I'm not jumping into it is I'm kinda scared that it might affect the natural balance (level of secretion) by the pituitary in the long run. Any idea on this?

I'm trusting others who have tried similar stacks before with no long term side effects. Science has shown that the pituitary gland continues to produce HGH all through life. But still a possibility.....

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[finalsight]

8, are you just taking them or are you combining with diet and exercise? how much have you lost from your waist, and how much weight you lost?

[8 isn't enough]

Originally posted by finalsight
8, are you just taking them or are you combining with diet and exercise? how much have you lost from your waist, and how much weight you lost?

I'm not exercising at all. My diet is whatever is around (college student) I have not weighed myself, all I know is that my pants dont fit anymore. I'm probably a 32 waist again, from a 34.

[finalsight]

Has anyone bought some from boots (http://www.boots.com/shop/product_details.jsp?productid=1005737) . If so do you know how many mg's there is per pill?

[stillwantmore]

Ive been using GABA for 2 weeks now...only thing I have noticed is I sleep better at night. Nothing else. I'll finish the bottle I have but, I'm thinking my money will be invested better elsewhere.

[finalsight]

found out what their values are by going to the makers website. they're 650mg/pill and theres 135 pills in a pack so taking 3pills (approx 2g) b4 going asleep would make that about 45days worth.
So £13/45days = 0.29p/day.

so to compare that with the one they sell at www.bodybuildingsupplements.co.uk.
500g pack divided by 2g = 250days
£27.40(inc. pp) divided by 250days = 0.11p

ok thats convinced me i'm getting the 500g pack, its going to be a hassle measuring it out and mixing it but thats much better value, and as i've just stated university every penny counts.

[8 isn't enough]

Depending on what you are using it for, you may want to add other things with it. If you want the calm feeling then add niacin. If you want the GH effect, then add Arginine pyroglutamate with it. It will blow your mind!!!!

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[C-Guy]

Originally posted by 8 isn't enough
If you want the GH effect, then add Arginine pyroglutamate with it. It will blow your mind!!!!

8 [/B]

Now wouldn't that be a small explosion! Sorry couldn't resist.

[ItsElectric]

LOL.. niacin, how much should be taken with the GABA?

-ItsElectric

[8 isn't enough]

Nicotinamide (niacinamide) is one of the two principal
forms of the B-complex vitamin niacin (see Niacin)

To tell you the truth man, I haven't got a clue. I just read it a couple of places online.

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[C-Guy]

Try 100mg of the niacin. If you do NOT want the tingles and other side effects of the Niacin then go with the "flush free" kind. Some guys use Niacin just before sex and get the same effect that you would get if you were using poppers. However, to get the rushing effect of poppers go with the regular not the flush free.

[SnakePlissken]

Will I die, go insane, spontaneous human combust, etc... if I take Zoloft with GABA?:confused:

[8 isn't enough]

It's an unkown but they work on different neurotransmitters so I would say its fine. You might want to ask your Doctor about that though.

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[C-Guy]

I finally think i have found a way to take the gaba and not have the breathing difficulties. I take 1 gram 3 times a day instead of 3 grams all at once. Don't even get the tingles this way either.

[finalsight]

My GABA just arrived 5mins ago I'm going to start it this weekend.
I've also joined a gym and i'm going to go at least 3 times a week and aim to go swimming at least once a week.

So with the Gaba mixed with the gym and swimming and the diet i'm on i should be losing loads of fat and hopefully gaining some muscle.

[C-Guy]

Have any of you taking the GABA had any strange things to happen. I had a ganglian cyst for several years on the inside of my heel right at the level that the top of my shoe always hit it. It was about the size of a marble. Since taking the Gaba it has almost disappeared. Anyone else notice anything like this happening? I can't figure anything else that could have caused it.

[8 isn't enough]

Besides I feel like a million bucks, nothing at all.

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[MDC]

I was taking GABA a few weeks ago, and stopped when I read that finasteride(propecia) would render it ineffective.

A few days ago I decided to go ahead and continue taking it since reading one page doesn't make a fact. I look better already around the midsection, but it's way too soon to know if it's actually helping.

I take 3grams of the GNC GABA before bed.

[ItsElectric]

Originally posted by MDC
I was taking GABA a few weeks ago, and stopped when I read that finasteride(propecia) would render it ineffective.

A few days ago I decided to go ahead and continue taking it since reading one page doesn't make a fact. I look better already around the midsection, but it's way too soon to know if it's actually helping.

I take 3grams of the GNC GABA before bed.

I have also noticed my abs becoming more defined because of fat loss. Haven't done any exercises at all and I feel great!

-ItsElectric

[C-Guy]

Haven't had the breathing problem for several days now. I think I will up the dose to 1 1/2 grams 3 times a day and give it a try. I really want to get in better shape and this might be the only option for now. luvdadus told me a couple weeks back that i could NOT do ANY weight training or straining of any kind or I would blow a vessel in my head (stroke).

[finalsight]

OK I've been taking it for the last couple of days. No noticeable fat loss yet, but saying that i never notice it anyway (one time i lose a stone in a month and i didn't notice).

I'm taking about 5g at night but haven't notice the tingling feeling yet, but i have noticed that my gut don't seem to like it, first day i tried it i had the squirts (had a bad curry as well that day so i thought it was because of that), and last night i woke up at 3am with painful trapped wind. Anyone else had this or is it me or maybe the shop sent me a laxative as a sick joke.

[8 isn't enough]

Maybe they cut it with x-lax. I never noticed it...And at 5g, you would atleast feel the tingles. Try it on a empty stomach. Well, maybe that will give you the squirts worse????

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[cya@8]

Gaba does me good as well. Glad you guys like it.

[8 isn't enough]

Wow, my brother stops in at my house and posts at MOS. Glad to see you here.

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[MDC]

Hey Cya@8, good to see you here. I just have to remember to take the GABA at night...

What are your thoughts on the thing I read about finasteride preventing GABA from doing it's thing? Is cycling finasteride a good thing? I didn't take any today and might take a few weeks off.

[SnakePlissken]

If it is giving you the shits take some Calcium Citrate with it. That will harden things up. Magnesium Loosesns stuff up and should not be added to the mix.

[finalsight]

It doesn't give me the shits anymore just wind durring the night, i think it might just be my body adjusting to my new lifestyle.

[ApostleInTriumph]

For guys who have jumped into it, howz it going with GABA??

[finalsight]

Well today i had a pleasent shock when i got out of the shower and looked in the mirror, I've definetly lost weight in my legs and my man-tits are smaller.

All that and i havent been to the gym yet (i'm waiting for some rugby shorts that ive order online to come and also still need help planning a weights programe (see other thread)).

I rarely get the bad wind now that my body is used to it and my family has commented that i seem alot happier lately.

Just a Q, what other supplement/s should i take to maximise the fat loss effects of it?

[ApostleInTriumph]

What's the dosage you guys have been taking oflate? I mean after adjusting for those tingling sensations / throwing up...

[C-Guy]

I'm still at 3 grams a day, but i have to spread it out in 3 doses. If i take it all together its like a bad asthma attack and feels like my face and chest are gonna explode. I actually feel a lot better with the gaba.

[MDC]

I think I'm looking better in the mirror too. Been taking GABA most nights for the last few weeks.

[C-Guy]

So who is still using it and what are your results?

[ItsElectric]

I'm still using GABA, still having the same effects as before. Losing some fat around my stomach as well. Also, feeling the tingling feeling a little more.

-ItsElectric

[MDC]

I ran out last night. Only had three of the 750mg ones left. Still got a good tingle from it.

[ApostleInTriumph]

What's the dosage you guys are taking? Yeah, so far I was concerned about puttin gon weight but recently I think I gotta start thinking about losing some to get a well defined abs...

[ApostleInTriumph]

What about fat on the arms? I tend to lose more fat on the arms than anywhere else, so that makes me worried if my arms start looking kinda skinny??

[MDC]

Apostle,
I take 3grams before bed. I think thats a common dosage.

[ItsElectric]

I take 2.25g of the stuff before going to bed, and 1.5g when I wake up.

As far as fat in the arms, I haven't noticed any loss there, only from my stomach.

-ItsElectric

[SnakePlissken]

Is the tingling anything like when your arm or leg fall asleep and then start to wake up?

[ItsElectric]

Originally posted by SnakePlissken
Is the tingling anything like when your arm or leg fall asleep and then start to wake up?

Ahhh, it's not quite that annoying, but I think of it as kind of an itchy tingling sensation.

-ItsElectric

[8 isn't enough]

Started with L-Glutamine as well. Just experimenting with the different amino's. I will let you guys know.

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[ItsElectric]

Originally posted by 8 isn't enough
Started with L-Glutamine as well. Just experimenting with the different amino's. I will let you guys know.

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Awesome!! I was planning to buy some of this myself, along with DLPA, but haven't got around to it.

-ItsElectric

[SnakePlissken]

What is DLPA??:(

[ApostleInTriumph]

Finally I decided to try it out myself. Went to a local GNC & WTF, they don't have any GABA! So looks like I'll get it by mail from their website.

[ApostleInTriumph]

This is wierd, GABA is listed in the women's section @ GNC! Anyone noticed? You guys (in US) have been taking the same thing right?
http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=41721&catid=11624&trx=PLST-0-SRCH&trxp1=11624&trxp2=41721&trxp3=1&trxp4=0&btrx=BUY-PLST-0-SRCH

So has anyone noticed thing slike stronger erections (I don't expect this with GABA, might be arginine) but incase...

[wannabebiggerkc]

I just purchased my bottle of GABA today at GNC and will take my first dosage tonite when I go to sleep on an empty stomach as many of you mention. I am currently on a diet and fitness regimen and hopefully this will assist with some fat loss all over my body but in particular my gut.

Other supplements that I am on are:
Multi-vitamin
Vitamin E 1000 IU once a day
Glucosamine & Chondroitin 1000 mg and 800 mg (respectively)
Creatine 5g twice a day
L-Glutamine 5g twice a day
CLA 1.5g twice a day
L-Arginine 500mg once a day
GABA 2250mg once a day

I am wanting to lose body fat and gain some muscle. I am currently on a diet and exercise regimen from Men's Health.com's Belly Off Club and so far so good. After 5 weeks I have lost 12 pounds and 2" off my gut by weight lifting twice a week and doing cardio a minimum of 3 times a week (usually more). Wish me luck!

[SnakePlissken]

Originally posted by SnakePlissken
Will I die, go insane, spontaneous human combust, etc... if I take Zoloft with GABA?:confused:

Nurse practioner said no problem.

[SnakePlissken]

For those that take Niacin with the GABA have you experienced any of these side-effects?

What are the common side effects

Flushing of the skin (most common)
Itching or tingling of the skin
*
Skin rash
Call your doctor if the skin rash is severe or persists. It may be necessary to stop taking the niacin.
Headaches
Gastrointestinal (stomach/intestine) upset
Take niacin with food at breakfast, lunch and dinner to prevent stomach upset.
Your body will adjust to niacin within 3 to 6 weeks and the side effects will greatly decrease.

What can I do to reduce the flushing side effect?

Take one-half of an adult-size aspirin 20 minutes before each dose of niacin. (Do not take aspirin if you are on Coumadin.) You may only need to take the aspirin for 3 to 4 weeks until your body adjusts to the niacin.
Do not drink alcohol, take a hot bath or expose your skin to the sun; these make the flushing worse.
If you are going out to dinner and you don't want to experience a "flush," take your dose of niacin as soon as you get home.
If the flushing is getting worse, do not increase your dose. Take your current dose for a few more days to allow your body more time to adjust. If the flushing becomes too uncomfortable, decrease your dose by one or two tablets and stay with that dose. Call your doctor and tell him or her what dose you are taking.
What are some other side effects

Increased blood uric acid levels which can bring on symptoms of gout if you've had gout in the past*
Increased blood sugar levels*
Darkening of the skin in the armpits and groin area (rare)
Inflammation of the liver, and rarely liver problems*
*Blood tests are taken every 6 to 12 weeks for the first 15 months of niacin therapy. These blood tests monitor uric acid, blood sugar, liver enzymes and blood lipids to prevent the side effects listed above and to monitor the effectiveness of therapy.

[ItsElectric]

Apparently GABA sells out fast here, so I have to go and buy it whenever they get a new shipment in.

Snake: DLPA info can be found here. http://gnc.mondosearch.com/cgi-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=21233295&EXTRA_ARG=GRAB_ID%3D21160060%00%26EXTRA_ARG%3DGRAB _ID%253D20857686%2526EXTRA_ARG%253D%2526HOST_ID%25 3D1%2526PAGE_ID%253D2692%2526HIWORD%253DDLPA%252B% 00%26HOST_ID%3D1%00%26PAGE_ID%3D2699%00%26HIWORD%3 DDLPA%2B&host_id=1&page_id=4596&query=dlpa&hiword=DLPA+

Apostle: That's the same stuff I take. :)

-ItsElectric

[8 isn't enough]

Do you take DLPA already? If so, whats your opinion? I take Glutamine with GABA but no noticable changes as of yet. I'm dissapointed, I expected more from that amino.

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[ApostleInTriumph]

Originally posted by 8 isn't enough
Do you take DLPA already? If so, whats your opinion? I take Glutamine with GABA but no noticable changes as of yet. I'm dissapointed, I expected more from that amino.

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I'm surprised with this comment. You mentioned that your old pants don't fit, so looks like you are in better shape. I guess you mean in terms of muscle growth or PE?

[SnakePlissken]

Thanks ItsElectric. I enjoyed the link a few posts back. Your the man!

[8 isn't enough]

Originally posted by ApostleInTriumph
I'm surprised with this comment. You mentioned that your old pants don't fit, so looks like you are in better shape. I guess you mean in terms of muscle growth or PE?


Just the fact that glutamine made no change from just GABA alone. Maybe it would be different if I didnt take GABA too.

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[samscola]

I have been taking GABA for only about a week now & I can already tell a difference in how much more I cum.

[SnakePlissken]

Could it be your more relaxed during sex/masturbation by the GABA and this gives you the ability to spew forth more?

[ItsElectric]

I haven't started taking DLPA yet, I was planning to take it and Glutamine. Probably will buy them the next time I go to GNC or something. Won't be too long, I'm almost outta GABA. :)

-ItsElectric

[8 isn't enough]

I'm taking 5-HTP+GABA now. The 5-HTP has niacin in it. Its a different feel. Let me tell you that it has me more aggressive. Dont know why but I'm not sure if I like it or not.

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[ApostleInTriumph]

Whatya guys think of this?
I finally started GNC GABA yesterday. Gulped 3 750mg pills before sleeping and nothing happened!! No breathlessness, gas or sensations at all!! Looks like it's not crossing the blood brain barrier for me? Do you guys take it on empty stomach? I took it 1/2 an hour after dinner....

[ApostleInTriumph]

This is wierd, GNC gaba feels like a placebo... maybe it has something to do with "hollow legs" (a person who can withstand a whole lotta boozing without getting affected)??? I have hollow legs. Been taking 2.25 gm for the past 2 days and absolutely no feeling whatsoever. I'll try 3 gms tonite.
Electric, you get sensations with 2.25 gms. How do you take it, I mean on empty stomach? Whats the gap between dinner and GABA?

[ItsElectric]

I take it usually a few hours before eating (empty stomach). I don't eat much in the day, but when I do it's at like 4:30 and I take my GABA around 9:30 or so. Since I have started taking DLPA and L-Glutamine, I haven't felt the side effects of the GABA. I've just been really relaxed and calm. Also have started this great book 'The 48 Laws of Power'. Anyways, how long have you been taking it? A few days? If so, it may take a few days to get into your system totally. Sometimes though, I take my GABA then eat about 10 minutes afterwards and I still feel the effects.

-ItsElectric

[SnakePlissken]

Apostle,

Wait up! I think that the reason it works differently on various people is the sensitivity of the GABA receptors in our heads. You might be very unaxiety prone and not notice a difference. Yet Wally the Worry Wort takes a hit of it and he is flying into calmness with it cause his sensitivity or starting level is lower than what you got. Think of it kind of like oil in a car motor. Bone dry is bad but may be someon'e starting point with this. Yours could be at 4 and 1/2 quarts out of the five capacity. Get what I am saying to notice/feel the difference?

[ApostleInTriumph]

Guess you are right! I don't get anxious & I'm not agitated or anything out of ordinary. Also booze has a lesser effect on me than most others. What I'm particularly interested is in the effects of 5 fold increase of GH as against any sedative/calming effects of GABa. I hope to care less about diet/gym & get GABA to do the work while I party :D

[ryox]

Well... I'm also doing a GABA/L-Arginine/L-Ornithine stack. About 3 grams of each... lil' less on the ornithine. It's only my second night and holy crap am I having an allergy to something. My palms are red and itch like hell. =( I'll try this again tomorrow and hopefully it's a one time thing. I've had this happen in the past although the direct cause was unknown, but it never came back. I think that maybe it just my body getting pissed off at having a new found amount of these amino acids. If it continues I'll stop I'll them for a day then experiment over the next few days and see which one might be the problem. If it's not the combo if it causing the problem. Or maybe just the stuffed shells and red sauce I had for dinner. ;)

Otherwise I'd say I do tend to sleep better with the GABA before bed time. So far for any other benefits it's far to early to tell..

[SnakePlissken]

Can GABA, St John's Wort(which binds to Gaba receptors), and 5-HTP be taken together? Or will I die?

[8 isn't enough]

Try it with Kava instead of St. Johns. Kava is thought to grow more gaba receptors. 5-HTP works on another neurotransmitter so it wouldnt matter.

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[SnakePlissken]

I am a bit paranoid on KAVA. I heard it can mess with your liver, so I avoid it like SARS. Did you hear any of this overly potent KAVA products doing this? growing more receptors is good?

I thought that the ST John's works more like a tricylic anti-depressent than a true SSRI. I assume eventually the Seratonion reuptake will stop and the 5-htp will overflow it.

[PEkwarg1]

Just avoid it and do it the natural way like I do. Why would you need enhancers to get a bigger penis fast while there's always the natural way? I bet a natural upgraded penis is much stronger then one pumped up with the aid of GABA.
I'm sure it's the same with muscles; natural training and anabolics.
The anabolics user gains muscle mass more quickly then the natural bodybuilder, but is alot weaker in strength in comparison with the natural bodybuilder. Believe me, I've fought a dude who used anabolics and he was like "huge".

[SnakePlissken]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12435490&dopt=Abstract

Chronic nicotine and smoking exposure decreases GABA(B1) receptor expression in the rat hippocampus.

Li SP, Park MS, Bahk JY, Kim MO.

Division of Life Science and Applied Life Science, College of Natural Sciences, Gyeongsang National University, Gazwa-dong 900, Chinju, Gyeongnam, South Korea.

Nicotine and smoking have long been proved to play an important role in cognition and memory in the hippocampus. This effect is closely related to the gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA)ergic system. Previous research has focused on functional and pharmacological aspects of nicotine's modulation activity. In this study, the effects of nicotine and different doses of smoking on GABA(B1) expression in the rat hippocampus have been examined using in situ hybridization and RNase protection assay. GABA(B1) receptor mRNAs were intensely expressed in the CA1, CA2, CA3, and dentate gyrus areas of the hippocampus. Nicotine and smoking doses dependently decreased GABA(B1) receptor expression in the hippocampus. These results revealed new aspects of nicotine's modulation on GABA(B) receptor, and on learning and memory. Copyright 2002 Elsevier Science Ireland Ltd.

PMID: 12435490 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


What does this mean in the layman's terms?




:s

[8 isn't enough]

Smoking causes a downregulation of Gaba receptors.

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[SnakePlissken]

So it dulls the potential potency of the gaba getting sucked up?Bottom line it is a bad thing? If so, how do you counter it? You know make it right?

[8 isn't enough]

Stop smoking, it is effecting your memory and cognition.

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[ggogeta]

Here's a good link where you will get all the information you will need on the subject.

This one (http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gaba.html)

[newbie54]

I just started taking this at 3 mg a day yesturday, I'd already been taking NO2 for a few weeks, which contains L arganine and L Orniphine, which ogether also boost HGH.

I'm hoping the HGH increase can help me lose some weight, put on some muscle and help me recover quicker and better on pe.

[jordan333]

i have been using 3 grams of gaba stacked with 5-htp before bed time for the past week, having an amazing nights sleep, due to the extra hgh. hgh and good sleep will have a positive effect of pe and will definitly spped up gains...

[REDZULU2003]

Great stuff. I have some and will start useing it again