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Circumcision operation questions
Hey I'm a 20 year old male and I'm uncut.. I was thinking about getting circumsized but its gonna cost like $5000 so I was going to ask a few questions first. I know this is kind of the opposite of this particular forum since its foreskin restoration but I hope its ok. Well I was too sick as a baby when I was born, I almost died so for some reason they didnt cut me. Now the skin is so tight the head wont come out. Imagine how I feel, I've never even seen the head of my penis So needless to say that's narrowed my sexual activity to near to none cause girls in the States usually dont like uncut especially if the foreskin cant be pulled back at all.. So would it be worth it? The operation? I know thats probably a matter of opinion and is different with everyone but I just want other ppls perspectives first. Also (I should probably and will probably ask a Doc this too) After the operation, during recovery time, would it be ok to take PE pills? The sutures where they sew it up might cause a problem. I didnt know if when/if it started getting bigger if it'd break the sutures (where they sewed it up) or not. Anyone know of any sites that could help? ive looked.. Or has anyone had a similar type thing done? I'd appreciate any help, comments or advice. Thanks.
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Re: Circumcision operation questions
Stretch the skin wider instead, it works. PE pills don't make it bigger alone.
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Neo Enigma,
There are a couple of non-surgical interventions that you can try before resorting to having surgery on your penis. First, try gently stretching the frenar bands. Second, try steroid cream to relax the bands, in conjunction with stretching.
In addition, there is a much less invasive surgical technique that allows you to retain your foreskin (and all those nerve endings) while relieving the phimosis. Read about it here:
http://www.cirp.org/library/treatment/phimosis/cuckow/
You should also read this:
http://www.norm.org/lost.html
And the rest of the phimosis page:
http://www.cirp.org/library/treatment/phimosis/
before deciding on circumcision. Don't talk to your doctor about this as he will probably bullshit you, look at how much money he'll make from the deal, but rather decide for yourself if you really want to loose part of your dick.
If you do decide to go with circumcision, demand the Hollister Plastibel as it causes less trauma, uses no stitches, and leaves more shaft skin. Adult sizes are available, as this is the favored device in Europe.
Think long and hard about this decision. You can't get your foreskin back once it's gone.
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Another thing that you mention in your post is PE pills. The informed opinion here is that PE pills do not work.
Manual PE does work and you can do that after the circ site has healed sufficiently, about a month to be safe.
Also, most polls suggest that women by far prefer un-cut penises. Many people can't tell the difference between a cut and an intact penis unless the foreskin is over the glans, so I can see where having a non-retracting foreskin would freak out some American women since they aren't used to intact penises.
What ever you decide to do, good luck!
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Re: Circumcision operation questions
Neo please read this letter i found on another site, It was writen by a guy with a similiar problem as yours, check alternate procedures before going under the knife.
" Don't know if this is considered associated with restoration or not. Sorry if it isn't. I am interested in restoration but it's impossible at the moment. Anyway. Someone suggested I post about my problem here, so here goes...(sorry about the length).
In May of 2004, I went to hospital to undergo a circumcision to fix a bad case of pin-hole phimosis. The phimosis wasn’t something I had since birth, it began to develop around the age of 12 (I just turned 25) and everything was normal before then. Circumcision was the absolute last thing I wanted but was told by the doctor and surgeon I saw that it was the only option. Having never had sex or a girlfriend, I figured I had to make the sacrifice in order to get on with my life. (It wasn’t until after my operation when I started searching the web for information on my bigger problem that I learned about steroidal creams and stretching exercises which I was never told about).
The circumcision did not go well at all. As it turned out a lot of the foreskin had fused to the glands on the under side of the penile head and around the outer ridge (edge of the glands closest to the shaft). I thought there may have been some sort of fusion problem on the underside and mentioned it to my surgeon in a pre-surgery consultation. He told me it was just my frenulum. I asked him if he was sure, he said yes and being a medical professional I trusted him. Obviously now I realize he barely gave it a thought.
This fusion occurs on the entire underside of the penile head, beginning at or just below the urinary hole (which has now been made a little smaller) running back to the shaft with the frenulum literally buried by the remaining foreskin. So now it’s like I’ve been partially circumcised as there is still a lot of foreskin stuck to my glands. The foreskin that remains on the underside is much worse than anyone reading this would imagine. Here the surgeon hasn’t just left the foreskin which was stuck to the glans, he seems to have taken the foreskin from the surrounding places, bundled it up and stitched it all together. My penis is completely mutilated. This lump of foreskin that hangs from the underside is huge. It’s about the same size as my penile head when soft. There’s like this double bulb.
As I mentioned the outer ridge of the glands has also been affected. Nearly all of the glands on the upper side are exposed. However in most places the foreskin has been stitched into the outer ridge of the glands instead of around them. To be honest, I’m not entirely sure if the problem with the outer ridge is due to a fusion problem or due to a poor job done by my surgeon. At my post-surgery consultations he only told me that a fusion had occurred on the other side and made no mention of any other areas. He also told me that he had to finish in a hurry because he wasn’t prepared for the fusion problem and the delay caused by that meant he had to hurry to stitch me up before I came out from under the anesthesia. (He was not prepared for it even though I told him I thought it was the case).
My surgeon said the fusion was due to BXO, though I don't think he was entirely sure. I’ve read that BXO is usually indicated by a white ring on the foreskin or white marks on the glands and I had none of this. I’ve seen two urologists since this happened. The first didn’t know and thought I should leave everything as it is (not an option for me), and the second also said he thought it was BXO.
Unfortunately, the fusion isn’t the only problem caused by this. The glands that are exposed are now left in a terrible state, discolored and scarred. This however only seemed to be the case after the glands had dried out after the “circumcision” (if you could call it a circumcision). In the days, or maybe weeks straight after the operation the exposed glands seemed fine. So after all this I’m starting to believe that seeking help and going through with this operation was the worst thing that I could have ever done.
I emailed many people about this. Few have been kind enough to reply. Of those that have done, two have said that I can’t be helped while one, Dr. Gary Alter (an American surgeon who does plastic/reconstructive surgery in this area) said in his brief response that it might be possible to cut away the skin on the underside and that he had performed such operations, but the stitching into the outer ridge could not be fixed. The thing is I’m pretty sure the surgeon stitched the foreskin into the glands on the under side too.
The second urologist I saw in person, however, believes he can cut or peel away all the fused foreskin and restore the shape of the glands but the scarring on the glands cannot be helped. With the mixed opinions I’m getting I’m not sure what to believe.
I don’t want to be told anymore that it still functions properly so everything is fine. The fact is I will absolutely never have sex in this state. So I can’t see it as functioning correctly. It seems I have to a lot of searching to do if I’m ever going to find some hope. (The truth is I have pretty much given up already. I just keep trying because I have nothing else to do before I die).
I have resorted to showering in the dark because it is far too depression to see myself naked. I can’t go anywhere where I’ll have to use a toilet other than my own. I’ve even taken to wrapping plastic wrap around the end of my penis because the feeling of the glands rubbing against my underwear makes me all too aware of my problems. It’s kind of a mental issue. I also hate the idea of my glands being exposed and losing all their feeling.
Obviously this experience has practically killed me. I just can't cope with life anymore. Circumcision was the last thing I wanted to have done but was made to think I'd have to do it if I was to ever have a normal life. Now not only have I lost my foreskin, but my penis is terribly deformed. I have to walk around feeling like my insides are hanging out of me. I've never had sex or had a girlfriend or ever experienced love and now it seems I never will. I’m so tired of this life. I’m so tired of the misery and isolation. Worst of all I am so tired of watching my life waste away while I can’t live it. What pisses me off the most is that this started when I was 12 years old. 12 years old! I never had a chance. (sorry, felt the need to rant…)
That’s about it. I have lots of questions. Most of which I’m sure won’t have answers but I don't know if I should be asking them here being that this forum is for foreskin restoration. "
Sorry for the long post.
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Re: Circumcision operation questions
Best move is to go see as many doctors as possible and do extensive research on this problem. Many things should be fixable, and it may take a while for you to get to the correct person and the correct information. Check everything they tell you and don't trust anyone 100% but yourself.
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Well thanks everyone for the advice. I'll definitely think more about it. Guess I should have asked about the pills BEFORE I ordered them eh? Interesting links, I'll have to look over them. But say I did do the surgery, wouldn't it be most likely that it'll come out normal? I figured there were more successful cases than not with adult circumcision. I definitely dont want to come out deformed. I cant really afford to go doctor to doctor getting different opinions. I have to pay them while I am there and I can pay the procedure month by month.. I wish I woulda just got cut at birth and saved me a lot of trauma! So PE pills dont work huh? I ordered the VigRX.. I thought I did good research on it before I ordered them but of course all the sites are going to praise them. It made sense though... Thanks again and any additional comments or advice are welcome.
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Re: Circumcision operation questions
From what I've heard the VigRx will give you good wood, but won't give any permanent length or girth gains. Several guys here have used pills, so you can run a search for their results threads. The manual restoration does work: I've been doing this for about three weeks and I've seen 0.5" gains in both flaccid length and BPFSL (bone pressed flaccid stretched length). Look up DLD's Newbie routine.
As far as your foreskin goes, don't be in a hurry about making your decision. Stretching and cortisone cream will work to relax the phimosis, will save you $5000 bucks and a lot of pain, and will give you some breathing room to see what things are like when you can pull the foreskin down while you can still put it back up. There is no magic bullet, unfortunately, it will take a few weeks to loosen it up. However, we just had a guy on this forum a few weeks ago who'd been circ'd for the same reason you're looking into it, and he was cut high and tight, and wasn't too happy with it later.
If you have any questions... post.
Peace.
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Re: Circumcision operation questions
Hey Neo...
I would READ, READ, READ!
And then shortly thereafter, READ SOME MORE!
I am currently cut and I have worked out/around any problems I might have. But I don't intend to have my sons cut if I ever have any.
I would look at both sides and find out all you can about it. And remember, its YOUR DICK.
Also...as aside and this can be taken up elsewhere---
Gravesubject, where did you get this from?
"Also, most polls suggest that women by far prefer un-cut penises"
I have never seen this and am not aware of any usable polls that show any preference.
kooky--the one and only.
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Gravesubject, where did you get this from?
"Also, most polls suggest that women by far prefer un-cut penises"
I have never seen this and am not aware of any usable polls that show any preference.
Kooky,
My response was based on past cursory surveys of surveys and was by no means comprehensive. It was a quick response to Neo Enigma's statement:
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So needless to say that's narrowed my sexual activity to near to none cause girls in the States usually dont like uncut especially if the foreskin cant be pulled back at all.
(emphasis added)
I was trying to reassure him that not all women hate an uncut penis, although it does appear to be an attitude more prevalent among the ladies of the States. I was unaware of, at the time that I wrote that comment, that most of the for/against preference claims that I had seen were based on one semi-credible study in the BJU and many, less-credible internet surveys.
So, in response to your statement about a dearth of usable polls on the topic of preference: having spent the past hour going over various polls, I agree that most of them, on both sides of the issue, are unscientific and therefore not reliable. That said, I still stand by my opinion: I don't think that the majority of women in the world, or even the U.S., are biased against circumcised penises.
Since you do surveys (professionally?) I am curious as to what methodological faults you find with the BJU survey (aside from the self-selected population problem, that one is glaring)? Polling is a valid, scientific assessment tool, but is very, very easy to get wrong, both intentionally and through poor design.
Cheers!
BTW, I thought that this was a funny and telling read on this whole topic:
http://archive.salon.com/sex/featur...sion/index.html
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Re: Polls
Kooky,
Disregard the "(Professionally?)"; I just found your post wherein you said it was your job.
Cheers!
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Hey Grave. Glad you responded. Now you and I can have this discussion as I meant for it to be.
I will try and address your comments individually without straying to far from the original topic;
"So, in response to your statement about a dearth of usable polls on the topic of preference: having spent the past hour going over various polls, I agree that most of them, on both sides of the issue, are unscientific and therefore not reliable."
This was one of my main focus points to begin with. As I had stated, the only polls I have seen here(one for, one against) were both completely unreliable. I was interested if you had any new polls to share and where those polls might have come from. Like I said, I do on occasion poll in my line of work and I become very intertested when one uses such a tool to support or defend a particular issue. I hope you notice I was the first to throuroughly detail the faults of Swank's poll presented here and by no means was I taking sides. I found Swanks's poll to be just as flawed as the poll Kong posted.
"That said, I still stand by my opinion: I don't think that the majority of women in the world, or even the U.S., are biased against circumcised penises."
The problem I have with this Grave, is that I don't feel you were stating this as an opinion. I feel that your reference to polls tried to convey this as a fact. I hope you know that I have no problems with you, or anyone else here expressing their opinions. My opinion on the subject is that I don't think many women give it much thought. I think women relate sex far more emotionally than men do and therefore are able to experience much more pleasure through the intamacy of the act.
"Since you do surveys (professionally?) I am curious as to what methodological faults you find with the BJU survey (aside from the self-selected population problem, that one is glaring)? Polling is a valid, scientific assessment tool, but is very, very easy to get wrong, both intentionally and through poor design."
Aside from the most glaring fault with the BJU survey, I also feel that there were not near enough test subjects to merit any reliable consideration. I don't feel that 139 test subject are a reliable test group for such a large function of the survey ( Do women prefer cut or uncut). I also find fault with this line as well, "the results were analysed for age, number of lifetime partners, preputial status of the most recent partner, preference for vaginal orgasms (as defined below) and their preference for a circumcised or intact penis." While I have no problem with these survey definitions, I feel that nationality should have been considered as well as it is my opinion that American women would have a slightly higher chance of prefering cut as opposed to european women who may have a higher preference for uncut. I also feel that this poll was intentionally skewed to get the desired results. If a person were to poll women how they feel about abortion, but only used women who subscribed to a right to life newsletter, you have to ask what type of result are they looking for to begin with?
"Polling is a valid, scientific assessment tool, but is very, very easy to get wrong, both intentionally and through poor design."
I agree with this statement 100%. As I stated above, I believe the BJU poll to be skewed intentionally to get the desired results. In my line of work, I have the distinct advantage of being able to poll EVERYONE involved or with an opinion to get very straightfoward results. An example;
Lets say I am told to go to "X Brand" electronic plant to find out how the 500 employees feel about their benefeits package. I have access to all 500 employees. Infact, I do not turn in my report until I have interviewed all 500 employees. I also am able to target every sub group conceivable including but not limited to; age, length of service, departments and family or maritial status. Since I am able to target every one of the 500 employees, my surveys can be much more defining than any poll targeting the preference of women's sexual behavior. How many women would have to be interviewed even to get a tiny percentage and still be able to include age, number or amount of sexual experience and nationality? It is this reason why I am so interested in polls of this nature. I don't feel that it is anyway possible to get usable results when the population at large is so huge.
Just my two cents there Graves. Also, I agree with almost everything else you said in your initial post and I hope you were not offended by my original post asking for a reference to your polling info.
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Just my two cents there [Priapologist ]. Also, I agree with almost everything else you said in your initial post and I hope you were not offended by my original post asking for a reference to your polling info.
No, not at all. This is the kind of healthy debate that I enjoy and encourage. What I initially wrote about polls was written in good faith, but was admittedly scientifically weak once I delved into the source material this morning. I'm all for keeping everything above reproach.
Cheers!
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Once again I agree, Grave(Whats with the name change???
I also have no doubt that your original intent was in good faith to Neo. If I had
felt that you were being intentional deceitful, I would have not be so respectful towards you and your statements. I look forward to continuing discussions with you and wish you well.
BTW, awesome starting size. How's things going with that? What methods are you currently using to reach your goal or are you backing of PE for awhile to pursue your FR goals?
your friendly neighborhood kookyman
Also, to all concerned, I did not mean to imply that I think my "Gold Level Support" status makes me above the law, I only meant that I have a proven track record for support of this board and I don't think I have ever gotten out of hand as per DLD's rules for it's members.
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Once again I agree, Grave(Whats with the name change???
I also have no doubt that your original intent was in good faith to Neo. If I had
felt that you were being intentional deceitful, I would have not be so respectful towards you and your statements. I look forward to continuing discussions with you and wish you well.
BTW, awesome starting size. How's things going with that? What methods are you currently using to reach your goal or are you backing of PE for awhile to pursue your FR goals?
your friendly neighborhood kookyman
Also, to all concerned, I did not mean to imply that I think my "Gold Level Support" status makes me above the law, I only meant that I have a proven track record for support of this board and I don't think I have ever gotten out of hand as per DLD's rules for it's members.
Due to a possible breach in my anonymity this morning at school (some guy snuck up and was peering over my shoulder while my screen name was up), I thought that it was best if my old nick died a sudden death.
Yes, I am usually very careful to either validate what I post or to qualify it by denoting it as opinion, conjecture, et cetera. I was in a hurry and trusted that the information was valid. Of course, polling really is nothing but opinions, so how valid is it anyway ?
I too look forward to good, open dialog.
And, thank you for the compliment. Nature was kind to me. But, I still want more I have yet to see any erect gains, but I've gotten increased flaccid size, mostly from FR. I've got lots of extra skin rippling up behind my corona now, adding to girth, while my flaccid length has increased by ~0.5 inches. I've been doing FR for 7.5 weeks and PE for about 3 weeks, most seriously durning the past week due to the Newbie challange. I'm trying to balance both, though, so I don't loose the coverage that I have.
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Circumcision operation questions
Hey I'm a 20 year old male and I'm uncut.. I was thinking about getting circumsized but its gonna cost like $5000 so I was going to ask a few questions first. I know this is kind of the opposite of this particular forum since its foreskin restoration but I hope its ok. Well I was too sick as a baby when I was born, I almost died so for some reason they didnt cut me. Now the skin is so tight the head wont come out. Imagine how I feel, I've never even seen the head of my penis So needless to say that's narrowed my sexual activity to near to none cause girls in the States usually dont like uncut especially if the foreskin cant be pulled back at all.. So would it be worth it? The operation? I know thats probably a matter of opinion and is different with everyone but I just want other ppls perspectives first. Also (I should probably and will probably ask a Doc this too) After the operation, during recovery time, would it be ok to take PE pills? The sutures where they sew it up might cause a problem. I didnt know if when/if it started getting bigger if it'd break the sutures (where they sewed it up) or not. Anyone know of any sites that could help? ive looked.. Or has anyone had a similar type thing done? I'd appreciate any help, comments or advice. Thanks.
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Stretch the skin wider instead, it works. PE pills don't make it bigger alone.
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Neo Enigma,
There are a couple of non-surgical interventions that you can try before resorting to having surgery on your penis. First, try gently stretching the frenar bands. Second, try steroid cream to relax the bands, in conjunction with stretching.
In addition, there is a much less invasive surgical technique that allows you to retain your foreskin (and all those nerve endings) while relieving the phimosis. Read about it here:
http://www.cirp.org/library/treatment/phimosis/cuckow/
You should also read this:
http://www.norm.org/lost.html
And the rest of the phimosis page:
http://www.cirp.org/library/treatment/phimosis/
before deciding on circumcision. Don't talk to your doctor about this as he will probably bullshit you, look at how much money he'll make from the deal, but rather decide for yourself if you really want to loose part of your dick.
If you do decide to go with circumcision, demand the Hollister Plastibel as it causes less trauma, uses no stitches, and leaves more shaft skin. Adult sizes are available, as this is the favored device in Europe.
Think long and hard about this decision. You can't get your foreskin back once it's gone.
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Another thing that you mention in your post is PE pills. The informed opinion here is that PE pills do not work.
Manual PE does work and you can do that after the circ site has healed sufficiently, about a month to be safe.
Also, most polls suggest that women by far prefer un-cut penises. Many people can't tell the difference between a cut and an intact penis unless the foreskin is over the glans, so I can see where having a non-retracting foreskin would freak out some American women since they aren't used to intact penises.
What ever you decide to do, good luck!
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Re: Circumcision operation questions
Neo please read this letter i found on another site, It was writen by a guy with a similiar problem as yours, check alternate procedures before going under the knife.
" Don't know if this is considered associated with restoration or not. Sorry if it isn't. I am interested in restoration but it's impossible at the moment. Anyway. Someone suggested I post about my problem here, so here goes...(sorry about the length).
In May of 2004, I went to hospital to undergo a circumcision to fix a bad case of pin-hole phimosis. The phimosis wasn’t something I had since birth, it began to develop around the age of 12 (I just turned 25) and everything was normal before then. Circumcision was the absolute last thing I wanted but was told by the doctor and surgeon I saw that it was the only option. Having never had sex or a girlfriend, I figured I had to make the sacrifice in order to get on with my life. (It wasn’t until after my operation when I started searching the web for information on my bigger problem that I learned about steroidal creams and stretching exercises which I was never told about).
The circumcision did not go well at all. As it turned out a lot of the foreskin had fused to the glands on the under side of the penile head and around the outer ridge (edge of the glands closest to the shaft). I thought there may have been some sort of fusion problem on the underside and mentioned it to my surgeon in a pre-surgery consultation. He told me it was just my frenulum. I asked him if he was sure, he said yes and being a medical professional I trusted him. Obviously now I realize he barely gave it a thought.
This fusion occurs on the entire underside of the penile head, beginning at or just below the urinary hole (which has now been made a little smaller) running back to the shaft with the frenulum literally buried by the remaining foreskin. So now it’s like I’ve been partially circumcised as there is still a lot of foreskin stuck to my glands. The foreskin that remains on the underside is much worse than anyone reading this would imagine. Here the surgeon hasn’t just left the foreskin which was stuck to the glans, he seems to have taken the foreskin from the surrounding places, bundled it up and stitched it all together. My penis is completely mutilated. This lump of foreskin that hangs from the underside is huge. It’s about the same size as my penile head when soft. There’s like this double bulb.
As I mentioned the outer ridge of the glands has also been affected. Nearly all of the glands on the upper side are exposed. However in most places the foreskin has been stitched into the outer ridge of the glands instead of around them. To be honest, I’m not entirely sure if the problem with the outer ridge is due to a fusion problem or due to a poor job done by my surgeon. At my post-surgery consultations he only told me that a fusion had occurred on the other side and made no mention of any other areas. He also told me that he had to finish in a hurry because he wasn’t prepared for the fusion problem and the delay caused by that meant he had to hurry to stitch me up before I came out from under the anesthesia. (He was not prepared for it even though I told him I thought it was the case).
My surgeon said the fusion was due to BXO, though I don't think he was entirely sure. I’ve read that BXO is usually indicated by a white ring on the foreskin or white marks on the glands and I had none of this. I’ve seen two urologists since this happened. The first didn’t know and thought I should leave everything as it is (not an option for me), and the second also said he thought it was BXO.
Unfortunately, the fusion isn’t the only problem caused by this. The glands that are exposed are now left in a terrible state, discolored and scarred. This however only seemed to be the case after the glands had dried out after the “circumcision” (if you could call it a circumcision). In the days, or maybe weeks straight after the operation the exposed glands seemed fine. So after all this I’m starting to believe that seeking help and going through with this operation was the worst thing that I could have ever done.
I emailed many people about this. Few have been kind enough to reply. Of those that have done, two have said that I can’t be helped while one, Dr. Gary Alter (an American surgeon who does plastic/reconstructive surgery in this area) said in his brief response that it might be possible to cut away the skin on the underside and that he had performed such operations, but the stitching into the outer ridge could not be fixed. The thing is I’m pretty sure the surgeon stitched the foreskin into the glands on the under side too.
The second urologist I saw in person, however, believes he can cut or peel away all the fused foreskin and restore the shape of the glands but the scarring on the glands cannot be helped. With the mixed opinions I’m getting I’m not sure what to believe.
I don’t want to be told anymore that it still functions properly so everything is fine. The fact is I will absolutely never have sex in this state. So I can’t see it as functioning correctly. It seems I have to a lot of searching to do if I’m ever going to find some hope. (The truth is I have pretty much given up already. I just keep trying because I have nothing else to do before I die).
I have resorted to showering in the dark because it is far too depression to see myself naked. I can’t go anywhere where I’ll have to use a toilet other than my own. I’ve even taken to wrapping plastic wrap around the end of my penis because the feeling of the glands rubbing against my underwear makes me all too aware of my problems. It’s kind of a mental issue. I also hate the idea of my glands being exposed and losing all their feeling.
Obviously this experience has practically killed me. I just can't cope with life anymore. Circumcision was the last thing I wanted to have done but was made to think I'd have to do it if I was to ever have a normal life. Now not only have I lost my foreskin, but my penis is terribly deformed. I have to walk around feeling like my insides are hanging out of me. I've never had sex or had a girlfriend or ever experienced love and now it seems I never will. I’m so tired of this life. I’m so tired of the misery and isolation. Worst of all I am so tired of watching my life waste away while I can’t live it. What pisses me off the most is that this started when I was 12 years old. 12 years old! I never had a chance. (sorry, felt the need to rant…)
That’s about it. I have lots of questions. Most of which I’m sure won’t have answers but I don't know if I should be asking them here being that this forum is for foreskin restoration. "
Sorry for the long post.
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Re: Circumcision operation questions
Best move is to go see as many doctors as possible and do extensive research on this problem. Many things should be fixable, and it may take a while for you to get to the correct person and the correct information. Check everything they tell you and don't trust anyone 100% but yourself.
Good luck!
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Re: Circumcision operation questions
Well thanks everyone for the advice. I'll definitely think more about it. Guess I should have asked about the pills BEFORE I ordered them eh? Interesting links, I'll have to look over them. But say I did do the surgery, wouldn't it be most likely that it'll come out normal? I figured there were more successful cases than not with adult circumcision. I definitely dont want to come out deformed. I cant really afford to go doctor to doctor getting different opinions. I have to pay them while I am there and I can pay the procedure month by month.. I wish I woulda just got cut at birth and saved me a lot of trauma! So PE pills dont work huh? I ordered the VigRX.. I thought I did good research on it before I ordered them but of course all the sites are going to praise them. It made sense though... Thanks again and any additional comments or advice are welcome.
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Re: Circumcision operation questions
From what I've heard the VigRx will give you good wood, but won't give any permanent length or girth gains. Several guys here have used pills, so you can run a search for their results threads. The manual restoration does work: I've been doing this for about three weeks and I've seen 0.5" gains in both flaccid length and BPFSL (bone pressed flaccid stretched length). Look up DLD's Newbie routine.
As far as your foreskin goes, don't be in a hurry about making your decision. Stretching and cortisone cream will work to relax the phimosis, will save you $5000 bucks and a lot of pain, and will give you some breathing room to see what things are like when you can pull the foreskin down while you can still put it back up. There is no magic bullet, unfortunately, it will take a few weeks to loosen it up. However, we just had a guy on this forum a few weeks ago who'd been circ'd for the same reason you're looking into it, and he was cut high and tight, and wasn't too happy with it later.
If you have any questions... post.
Peace.
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Re: Circumcision operation questions
Hey Neo...
I would READ, READ, READ!
And then shortly thereafter, READ SOME MORE!
I am currently cut and I have worked out/around any problems I might have. But I don't intend to have my sons cut if I ever have any.
I would look at both sides and find out all you can about it. And remember, its YOUR DICK.
Also...as aside and this can be taken up elsewhere---
Gravesubject, where did you get this from?
"Also, most polls suggest that women by far prefer un-cut penises"
I have never seen this and am not aware of any usable polls that show any preference.
kooky--the one and only.
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Gravesubject, where did you get this from?
"Also, most polls suggest that women by far prefer un-cut penises"
I have never seen this and am not aware of any usable polls that show any preference.
Kooky,
My response was based on past cursory surveys of surveys and was by no means comprehensive. It was a quick response to Neo Enigma's statement:
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So needless to say that's narrowed my sexual activity to near to none cause girls in the States usually dont like uncut especially if the foreskin cant be pulled back at all.
(emphasis added)
I was trying to reassure him that not all women hate an uncut penis, although it does appear to be an attitude more prevalent among the ladies of the States. I was unaware of, at the time that I wrote that comment, that most of the for/against preference claims that I had seen were based on one semi-credible study in the BJU and many, less-credible internet surveys.
So, in response to your statement about a dearth of usable polls on the topic of preference: having spent the past hour going over various polls, I agree that most of them, on both sides of the issue, are unscientific and therefore not reliable. That said, I still stand by my opinion: I don't think that the majority of women in the world, or even the U.S., are biased against circumcised penises.
Since you do surveys (professionally?) I am curious as to what methodological faults you find with the BJU survey (aside from the self-selected population problem, that one is glaring)? Polling is a valid, scientific assessment tool, but is very, very easy to get wrong, both intentionally and through poor design.
Cheers!
BTW, I thought that this was a funny and telling read on this whole topic:
http://archive.salon.com/sex/featur...sion/index.html
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Re: Polls
Kooky,
Disregard the "(Professionally?)"; I just found your post wherein you said it was your job.
Cheers!
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Hey Grave. Glad you responded. Now you and I can have this discussion as I meant for it to be.
I will try and address your comments individually without straying to far from the original topic;
"So, in response to your statement about a dearth of usable polls on the topic of preference: having spent the past hour going over various polls, I agree that most of them, on both sides of the issue, are unscientific and therefore not reliable."
This was one of my main focus points to begin with. As I had stated, the only polls I have seen here(one for, one against) were both completely unreliable. I was interested if you had any new polls to share and where those polls might have come from. Like I said, I do on occasion poll in my line of work and I become very intertested when one uses such a tool to support or defend a particular issue. I hope you notice I was the first to throuroughly detail the faults of Swank's poll presented here and by no means was I taking sides. I found Swanks's poll to be just as flawed as the poll Kong posted.
"That said, I still stand by my opinion: I don't think that the majority of women in the world, or even the U.S., are biased against circumcised penises."
The problem I have with this Grave, is that I don't feel you were stating this as an opinion. I feel that your reference to polls tried to convey this as a fact. I hope you know that I have no problems with you, or anyone else here expressing their opinions. My opinion on the subject is that I don't think many women give it much thought. I think women relate sex far more emotionally than men do and therefore are able to experience much more pleasure through the intamacy of the act.
"Since you do surveys (professionally?) I am curious as to what methodological faults you find with the BJU survey (aside from the self-selected population problem, that one is glaring)? Polling is a valid, scientific assessment tool, but is very, very easy to get wrong, both intentionally and through poor design."
Aside from the most glaring fault with the BJU survey, I also feel that there were not near enough test subjects to merit any reliable consideration. I don't feel that 139 test subject are a reliable test group for such a large function of the survey ( Do women prefer cut or uncut). I also find fault with this line as well, "the results were analysed for age, number of lifetime partners, preputial status of the most recent partner, preference for vaginal orgasms (as defined below) and their preference for a circumcised or intact penis." While I have no problem with these survey definitions, I feel that nationality should have been considered as well as it is my opinion that American women would have a slightly higher chance of prefering cut as opposed to european women who may have a higher preference for uncut. I also feel that this poll was intentionally skewed to get the desired results. If a person were to poll women how they feel about abortion, but only used women who subscribed to a right to life newsletter, you have to ask what type of result are they looking for to begin with?
"Polling is a valid, scientific assessment tool, but is very, very easy to get wrong, both intentionally and through poor design."
I agree with this statement 100%. As I stated above, I believe the BJU poll to be skewed intentionally to get the desired results. In my line of work, I have the distinct advantage of being able to poll EVERYONE involved or with an opinion to get very straightfoward results. An example;
Lets say I am told to go to "X Brand" electronic plant to find out how the 500 employees feel about their benefeits package. I have access to all 500 employees. Infact, I do not turn in my report until I have interviewed all 500 employees. I also am able to target every sub group conceivable including but not limited to; age, length of service, departments and family or maritial status. Since I am able to target every one of the 500 employees, my surveys can be much more defining than any poll targeting the preference of women's sexual behavior. How many women would have to be interviewed even to get a tiny percentage and still be able to include age, number or amount of sexual experience and nationality? It is this reason why I am so interested in polls of this nature. I don't feel that it is anyway possible to get usable results when the population at large is so huge.
Just my two cents there Graves. Also, I agree with almost everything else you said in your initial post and I hope you were not offended by my original post asking for a reference to your polling info.
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Just my two cents there [Priapologist ]. Also, I agree with almost everything else you said in your initial post and I hope you were not offended by my original post asking for a reference to your polling info.
No, not at all. This is the kind of healthy debate that I enjoy and encourage. What I initially wrote about polls was written in good faith, but was admittedly scientifically weak once I delved into the source material this morning. I'm all for keeping everything above reproach.
Cheers!
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Once again I agree, Grave(Whats with the name change???
I also have no doubt that your original intent was in good faith to Neo. If I had
felt that you were being intentional deceitful, I would have not be so respectful towards you and your statements. I look forward to continuing discussions with you and wish you well.
BTW, awesome starting size. How's things going with that? What methods are you currently using to reach your goal or are you backing of PE for awhile to pursue your FR goals?
your friendly neighborhood kookyman
Also, to all concerned, I did not mean to imply that I think my "Gold Level Support" status makes me above the law, I only meant that I have a proven track record for support of this board and I don't think I have ever gotten out of hand as per DLD's rules for it's members.
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Once again I agree, Grave(Whats with the name change???
I also have no doubt that your original intent was in good faith to Neo. If I had
felt that you were being intentional deceitful, I would have not be so respectful towards you and your statements. I look forward to continuing discussions with you and wish you well.
BTW, awesome starting size. How's things going with that? What methods are you currently using to reach your goal or are you backing of PE for awhile to pursue your FR goals?
your friendly neighborhood kookyman
Also, to all concerned, I did not mean to imply that I think my "Gold Level Support" status makes me above the law, I only meant that I have a proven track record for support of this board and I don't think I have ever gotten out of hand as per DLD's rules for it's members.
Due to a possible breach in my anonymity this morning at school (some guy snuck up and was peering over my shoulder while my screen name was up), I thought that it was best if my old nick died a sudden death.
Yes, I am usually very careful to either validate what I post or to qualify it by denoting it as opinion, conjecture, et cetera. I was in a hurry and trusted that the information was valid. Of course, polling really is nothing but opinions, so how valid is it anyway ?
I too look forward to good, open dialog.
And, thank you for the compliment. Nature was kind to me. But, I still want more I have yet to see any erect gains, but I've gotten increased flaccid size, mostly from FR. I've got lots of extra skin rippling up behind my corona now, adding to girth, while my flaccid length has increased by ~0.5 inches. I've been doing FR for 7.5 weeks and PE for about 3 weeks, most seriously durning the past week due to the Newbie challange. I'm trying to balance both, though, so I don't loose the coverage that I have.
Cheers!
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As can be seen, this whole conversation would have been much better off without all the banter between Kong and myself.
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