4Aderm and your opinions?

[ItsElectric]

Well, I was just reading these very interesting threads at Thunders, inspired by Jones:

http://www.thundersplace.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13552

and

http://www.thundersplace.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15363

Anyways, 8's over there, and I was wondering what his opinion as well as everyone else's is about this stuff.

-ItsElectric

[8 isn't enough]

Man, I'm not over there!!! Someone is using my name. I dont give a shit about 4aderm. I hate Thunders and dont go there much at all. WTF????????????

8

[ItsElectric]

Seriously?? That's odd. I figured it was you since they seem to have a least a little knowledge in biochemistry.

-ItsElectric

[8 isn't enough]

Thats my name but I didnt post that. I dunno!!! WTF? I havent posted at thunders in quite some time. I'm gonna find out WTF is going on......

Edit: That is me. Someone has my password. I bet my brother gave it to that Jones guy. Damn it!!!!

8

[mowinman]

Try the obvious..... Go over to thunders and change your password. That will stop any further posting.

[quijjiboo]

so why did everyone dismiss the idea? side effects? ive used 4ad lots of times (for bb) and its much easier on you than steroids... plus you won't be able to get that big of a dose if you just apply down there unless you DLD heh, but i doubt the effectiveness of it... i think its worth a try (if you really serious)

[ItsElectric]

Well, the thread has gotten some major feedback which reminds me.. *checks it*

-ItsElectric

[quijjiboo]

Originally posted by ItsElectric
Well, the thread has gotten some major feedback which reminds me.. *checks it*

-ItsElectric
Im too lazy to read it all.. anyone with good results? You would probably get greater results with test base, as 4AD has a 10 or 15% conversion-to-test rate if i remember correctly. if it works, i doubt its the actual 4AD compound that would cause the growth, it doesnt convert to DHT much if at all.. and it doesnt stimulate IGF-1 response like test does... just some thoughts

[8 isn't enough]

Ok, Androgel is 1% Test. Lets say you put 50mg on your dick. You would end up with .5mg test. 4ad converts at 10% to test so you put 50mg on your dick, you end up with 5mg test. Which is stronger? Although the structure will not allow it to be converted to DHT, its target hormone can.

8

[quijjiboo]

i meant base test, pure test with no ester, if people notice a difference off 4AD, i think youll get some pretty wild results with pure test

[8 isn't enough]

Do you have pure test in a transdermal form? I can make it but thats priveledged information. There are legal ways to get test from things sold everyday. I'm not into injecting test into my dick so transdermal would be the only way that I would even think about it. Ofcourse, I would also use an anti aromatase and a LH stimulator.

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[quijjiboo]

im going to try the 4AD, since im already on a cycle and the 4AD will make absolutely no difference hormonally at this point, and ill keep a thread going of my progress, but it will be kind of whacked since i just started PE'ing and i plan on doing an intense PE rountine the whole way through..

[quijjiboo]

Originally posted by 8 isn't enough
Ok, Androgel is 1% Test. Lets say you put 50mg on your dick. You would end up with .5mg test. 4ad converts at 10% to test so you put 50mg on your dick, you end up with 5mg test. Which is stronger? Although the structure will not allow it to be converted to DHT, its target hormone can.

8
one thing im wondering though, i dont know enough about this physiologically.. this is supposed to be site-specific right? if conversion has to take place, hasnt it already passed the site and will only have a systemic reaction at that point? you know what i mean?

[8 isn't enough]

The idea is that the conversion is site specific. That goes against what we know about transdermal delivery in that area. The tunica is quite an obstacle when it comes to delivery of drugs through the skin. There are transdermals that can do it but they are all protected by the FDA. 4ad causing hyperplasia is not even theoretically possible. I would say its nothing but BS from what science knows from all the evidence available.

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[quijjiboo]

Originally posted by 8 isn't enough
The idea is that the conversion is site specific. That goes against what we know about transdermal delivery in that area. The tunica is quite an obstacle when it comes to delivery of drugs through the skin. There are transdermals that can do it but they are all protected by the FDA. 4ad causing hyperplasia is not even theoretically possible. I would say its nothing but BS from what science knows from all the evidence available.

8
whoops made an error above, im thinking about using test not 4AD... im interested about how the tunica interferes, you have any more info on that? what transdermals are you mentioning?? would the addition of DMSO to the transdermal help overcome this problem?

[ItsElectric]

This is very interesting, I may give this a try in the future (with no exercises, so i can report back). I wanna have all the info first, and know exactly what to do.

-ItsElectric

[quijjiboo]

its not completely a shot in the dark, i mean it is widely used as treatment and proved to work (in prepubescent teens however), the studies showed some improvement in adults, but i am counting on these advantages:

a) longer duration, most of those studies were for 3 or 4 weeks if i remember correctly.

b) higher dose, studies like that have a tendency to use very conservative dosages

c) better transdermals today

d) possible synergy between this and PE'ing

[ayerish]

Hi guys,

So what are your opinions on 4AD/prohormones for BB? Naysayers say the stomach breaks prohormones in pill form down, thus little if any effects are seen. Yes or No?

If yes then I see transdermal would be the way to go, right?

[quijjiboo]

yes, orally you will absorb maybe 5%, transdermal 20-40%, inject intramuscularily almost 100%

[ayerish]

How about the conversion to est? How to you cycle the transdermals?

[8 isn't enough]

4ad cannot bind to aromatase. It can only go to Testosterone but T can go to estrogen. The conversion rate hasnt been studied as far as I know to estrogen. All of this hinges on 3-HSD and the bio-availability of it.

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[ayerish]

In basic terms, external sources of Test/prohormones will result in the body producing extra estrogen/less test to compensate. Regardless of the receptors, added test raises the alarm system of the body.

[Gardenier90]

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