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doublelongdaddy

06-15-03, 09:48 AM

DLD Bundle Stretches change your LOT: No Joke/ This may be HUGE

I have just stumbled on one of the coolest discoveries. You can temporarily change your LOT by doing Bundled stretches. I started to mess with this yesterday. When in a fairly tight Bundle my LOT is visible at almost every level! What does this mean? It could mean the world for those who have low LOTS. I did strictly LIG stretching yesterday in a tight Bundle and my LIGS were screaming up until this morning. I just went to the bathroom and tested my LOT again Bundled and I can get tugback at EVERY increment. If this is the case then this could mean additional LIG stretch we never thought possible.

doublelongdaddy

06-15-03, 09:55 AM

What does this mean? My Theory is this:

If we are able to temporarily shorten the ligs to create tugback at any level then theoretically we can continue to LIG stretch even when our natural LOT is lost. This is the reason I think I was able to make Lig gains for so long after my LOT was lost at sub 7:00 angles.

SS4Jelq

06-15-03, 11:23 AM

DLD,

Hmmm. If LOT is low, so will be the exit point of the penis from the body. So if your natural LOT is low, stress placed on the ligs may be a waste of stress, simply because there is no gain potential there.

Even if your LOT is low, you could still hit the ligs, and they will get sore, but it would be taking away from the tunica where it might do some good.

I like the idea though, but I feel that tunica stretching has a bad rep. Yes it is harder than lig stretching, but what would you prefer, having to wait maybe 5-6 months to gain or wasting 5-6 months on exercises that are not optimal?

Perhaps you should get a few volunteers to test your theory out, i'm sure there's willing people here.

SS4

stillwantmore

06-15-03, 12:35 PM

I wonder how this would apply to the art of hanging? I wonder if I could put my hanger on as usual...apply the weights, and, then give my penis a couple twists and, proceed to hang for a set? Alternating twist directions per set? Feedback please!

SS4Jelq

06-15-03, 12:52 PM

Still,

Do not twist while hanging. As the penis is stretched, the blood vessels narrow, restricting blood flow. When twisted, it will be restricted even more, if not cut off completely. Also, the shaft may twist within the hanger, even when firmly tightened, which may put pressure where it does not want to be.

SS4

doublelongdaddy

06-15-03, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by SS4Jelq
DLD,

Hmmm. If LOT is low, so will be the exit point of the penis from the body. So if your natural LOT is low, stress placed on the ligs may be a waste of stress, simply because there is no gain potential there.

Even if your LOT is low, you could still hit the ligs, and they will get sore, but it would be taking away from the tunica where it might do some good.

I like the idea though, but I feel that tunica stretching has a bad rep. Yes it is harder than lig stretching, but what would you prefer, having to wait maybe 5-6 months to gain or wasting 5-6 months on exercises that are not optimal?

Perhaps you should get a few volunteers to test your theory out, i'm sure there's willing people here.

SS4

How dare you disagree SS4...I'm going to get RED to BAN you again:D

A theory is an assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture. This is the point I am at with this. I would love to get a couple of you kids with low LOTS to be my lab mice...*evil laugh* For the next month I am going to abandon any tunica work. I think my LOT is amoung the lowest. My stretching routine is going to consist of only Blasters tightly bundled.

I completely agree with you on the tunica stretching. This is something many men never try and think their length ends at Lig stretching. I do have a complete tunica workout. I also made a forum tunica specific for those who have a very low LOT.

REDZULU2003

06-15-03, 06:32 PM

:D

DLD I belive in this new method of yours and would like to test it with you.
Message me with details on what I need to do.

doublelongdaddy

06-15-03, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by REDZULU2003
:D

DLD I belive in this new method of yours and would like to test it with you.
Message me with details on what I need to do.

You got it!

stillwantmore

06-16-03, 08:13 AM

I posted this as a reply over on Thundersplace to this same thread over there:

Ok, my goal is at least 10 inches erect. That's about 2.5" more for me. If my LOT is around 4 O'clock...what angles should I hit? How long will I be able to hit that angle and still get gains? I guess I'm mildly frustrated by this whole LOT idea because, I have a hard time beleiving that the experience of a couple of men can apply to a wide spectrum of men as far as this whole lig/tunica thing goes. Who can honestly say that just because Joe Smith has a LOT of whatever and, that he made most of his gains from hanging and, 95% of the time he was hanging he did so BTC...that the same will or wont apply to Mike Jones? What if Mike Jones has a totally different LOT, and, makes the same gains as Joe Smith? That's possible right? What about these tribes in whatever parts of Africa and other parts of the world who either used to or still do practice a form of weight hanging to enlarge their penises? Do you think they go by these "theories"? Or do they just hang as much as they can and make their dicks bigger without trying to factor in things like genetics and ligament strengths and tunica gain potential and, all this stuff? I think maybe we all have the same potential...some of us may just need more time and resistance applied to make the gains we desire and, that trying to make these cookie cutter style theories and, apply them to everyone is silly. I know most of us here would honestly like to make gains of some sort. The fact is though, not all of us will gain what we want. Who knows why? Maybe now with my new schedule which will allow me to eventually hang for my goal time of 6 hours a day, maybe I will hit my goal of 10"+? Then again, maybe I'm wasting my time and I wont gain anything? I doubt the latter though. I'm of the belief that most people's tissues are of the same genetic makeup and, that if enough resistance is applied over a long enough time that some sort of change will occur. Then again, we're all human and lazyness is a natural part of being human. Maybe all these theories we keep trying to come up with are simply excuses to explain away our lack of effort or true desire to put forth the effort needed to accomplish our goals? Whew, I dont know if any of that made ANY sense to anyone but, I had a long night and didnt get much sleep. Back to my bannana nut bread muffins!

doublelongdaddy

06-16-03, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by stillwantmore
Do you think they go by these "theories"? Or do they just hang as much as they can and make their dicks bigger without trying to factor in things like genetics and ligament strengths and tunica gain potential and, all this stuff?

I feel your frustration and wanted to include the definition of the word THEORY.

THEORY
A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.

With this stated I think with any theory we need to understand that it is not fact. Allowing theory to discourage your program is self-defeating. As I have stated on several occasions I only did lig stretching up until a few months ago making consistent gains throughout my program. When the LOT theory came about I did not abandon my lig stretching based on theory. I did start to include tunica stretching to take advantage of this theory. Now that I have stumbled on new theory in this area I plan on testing it. It does not mean I will change my whole program but if it eventually is proven fact I will. Using theory to your advantage is wise but allowing any one theory to dictate your program is silly.

stillwantmore

06-16-03, 03:20 PM

Oh, I totally agree with your last reply DLD! I was not meaning that I was letting these theories dictate MY program. I'm set on what I'M doing. I just get frustrated when I see someone come up with some new theory and, then all these guys...usually the newer, less experienced ones who know no better...jump right on the new theory band wagon and mess up what little consistency their program may have had. Then they get frustrated a few months later when nothing is working for them.

doublelongdaddy

06-16-03, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by stillwantmore
Oh, I totally agree with your last reply DLD! I was not meaning that I was letting these theories dictate MY program. I'm set on what I'M doing. I just get frustrated when I see someone come up with some new theory and, then all these guys...usually the newer, less experienced ones who know no better...jump right on the new theory band wagon and mess up what little consistency their program may have had. Then they get frustrated a few months later when nothing is working for them.

I agree with this statement SO MUCH. I have seen so many newbies give up before they start because their LOT is at one place or another. The other thing that becomes discouraging to others is what to do once they determine their LOT. I think a very good thing we have done is to create seperate forums that are Lig and Tunica specific. Using theory to aid our exercise is being smart but it should not replace tried and true basics.

SS4Jelq

06-16-03, 03:39 PM

DLD,

>How dare you disagree SS4...I'm going to get RED to BAN you again<

LMAO!

So DLD,

still says:

>I just get frustrated when I see someone come up with some new theory and, then all these guys...usually the newer, less experienced ones who know no better...jump right on the new theory band wagon and mess up what little consistency their program may have had.<

You say:

>I agree with this statement SO MUCH.<

Yet isnt this whole thread based on a new theory? :D

As I posted at PE forums, what are the mechanisms you propose will give low LOT'ers gains from lig stretch? What theory or proposals do you have to support your idea?

SS4

doublelongdaddy

06-16-03, 03:49 PM

Na Na Na Na NAAAAA My theory is better than yours *stick tongue out*:D

SS4 I am not contesting the theory, I am mearly saying it is a theory. My post is 1 day old...GIVE ME SOME TIME TO PROVE IT:D But to answer your question:

Originally posted by SS4Jelq
I would still like to hear DLD's opinion on why lig work at low LOT would be useful.

I guess I do not have a theoretical reason. I continue to gain using Lig specific exercise so I do not want to abandon these exercises. I have trained lig specific up until maybe 4 months ago continuously making gains. Since the LOT theory was developed I include tunica stretching also so gains from that point are cloudy if they have come from lig or tunica stretching. I guess my feelings are better safe than sorry.

SS4Jelq

06-16-03, 04:38 PM

DLD,

>Na Na Na Na NAAAAA My theory is better than yours *stick tongue out*<

LOL

Your Tiger style is strong! But my Dragon style, will defeat it!

I think it is possible that your gains came from:

1) Tunica stretch at upper angles that you do
2) The unavoidable portion of tunica stretch even at low angles
3) Tunica gains before the attachment point of the ligs giving you a rise in LOT, but with the regular lig work you do, you compensate by gaining in this area (you cannot argue that you are an easy gainer). Hence during a session you would gain temporary length in tunica, raising the gain potential of the ligs and the lig work creates a temporary gain here too. So over time the temporary gains would cement, and because you got 'dual gains', your LOT would not change.

This raises another quesion I have been pondering. Is it best to work tunica until your LOT reaches 8, then lig work until it drops again etc? I think no, I believe that if gains are made in tunica, then the limiting factors are weakened, and I think that tunica gains would be easier than lig gains in this instance (assuming no lig work was being done). It is ALWAYS a good idea to 'ride the fatigue', and the work you have already done. I think it is best to work on the tunica through fulcrum techniques (placing stress on the lower tunica towards the base), until LOT rises to 9. Then, the gain potential from ligs would be great, and it would be good to switch to lig work, remembering that it may yet take a few months to build up the fatigue, or less depending on the individual strength of the limiting factors.

Of course fulcrum techniques may cause a curve in the erection, and if this develops and you feel it is not desirable, then stretching without a fulcrum would solve the problem (as the tighter side would automatically receive more stress).

I'm done ranting now...

SS4

doublelongdaddy

06-16-03, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by SS4Jelq
Your Tiger style is strong! But my Dragon style, will defeat it!

LMFAO Cryin'

doublelongdaddy

06-17-03, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by SS4Jelq
2) The unavoidable portion of tunica stretch even at low angles

So stretches below the LOT are still beneficial...No?

REDZULU2003

06-17-03, 11:58 AM

:D

Go kill him DLD.
:p

BIB came up with a good theory but it aint science fact and DLD had added some more insight which he is also testing.

I dont belive the LOT 100%.
Just parts.

Guys still gain good if their LOT is crap and not suitable for LIG work. I am working with a guy p2p over e-mails and he has a shit LOT but with my advise he is doing great and gaining fine bit by bit with lig work each month.

I reckon if ya keep the routine mixed up using shock tactics and keeping it intense, making sure ya feel it, than ya'll gain......I have.

And SS4JELQ,
How come you are so defensive for this LOT theory ;)
I know you are very good freinds with the maker of the theory....BIB, But surely that cant be it......your not that kinda guy :(

SS4Jelq

06-17-03, 02:30 PM

DLD,

>So stretches below the LOT are still beneficial...No?<

Twisting my words you sly dog. The benefit here is tunica stretch, why not stretch above the LOT and avoid the ligs from taking stress away from where it is needed?

Zulu,

>How come you are so defensive for this LOT theory
I know you are very good freinds with the maker of the theory....BIB, But surely that cant be it......your not that kinda guy<

Yeah, bib is the coolest. But the theory makes sense, both in the theory in itself and in practice. I have an experiment going at thunders, and that + independant reports support the theory.

SS4

doublelongdaddy

06-17-03, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by SS4Jelq
Twisting my words you sly dog.

Hey I'm tring to Rally some support here:D

RB2

06-17-03, 03:01 PM

Red, I've seen nothing but positive evidence and anecdotal reports to back up the LOT theory. The whole thing makes perfect sense to me, and more importantly WORKS for me...

What is it about the theory you don't buy into or believe to be true?

SS4Jelq

06-17-03, 04:05 PM

RB,

>and more importantly WORKS for me... <

How much has it worked in terms of erect length? Maybe you could tell me your erect girth while your at it?

SS4

WaxN

06-17-03, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by REDZULU2003
[BBIB came up with a good theory but it aint science fact and DLD had added some more insight which he is also testing.

I dont belive the LOT 100%.
Just parts.

Guys still gain good if their LOT is crap and not suitable for LIG work. I am working with a guy p2p over e-mails and he has a shit LOT but with my advise he is doing great and gaining fine bit by bit with lig work each month.

I reckon if ya keep the routine mixed up using shock tactics and keeping it intense, making sure ya feel it, than ya'll gain......I have.[/B]
I agree RZ - no disrespect to Bib intended. I think his theory has some validity, but it's not etched in stone. I still think the tunica is really key to growth because think about it....what would the length difference between a 12:00 LOT & a 6:00 LOT really amount to (in terms of ligament stretch)? Maybe 1-1.5"....maybe! But if you're talking about making 3" plus gains, you need a good bit of tunica stretch.
Also, even at 6:00 LOT, why do guys think that your ligs can't still stretch???
I just think that guys with a high LOT can gain some length very quickly - up to that first 1-1.5"....then the rest is a battle against the tunica.
But the main thing I get behind Bib's theory is the importance of deductive reasoning....we need that desperately in PE, especially since the medical community won't get involved. I respect anybody who is thinking deeply about the whole PE experience.

AfterTheShock

06-18-03, 12:23 AM

Ok guys , this is getting to be a good debate ,and when you get so many great minds together debating it can only turn up good info .
So i just want to add that ...maybe ,,don't dog me to much on this fellows ....that lets just say BIBS THEORY is right , OK so we need to work the tunica ...right ? Ok the way to do this is by working above your lot , So maybe or from what i read out of all this is .....THE DLD BUNDLED STRETCH will work at lower than lot angles ...BECAUSE the twisting of the penis takes the ligs out the picture .and therefore one can work the tunica at an angle below his lot....THUS by the twisting of the penis ....IS in fact theoretically RAISING ONES LOT!!.. ALLOWING LOWER ANGLE WORK TO WORK EFFECTIVLY ...now this is just my opinion .
I have a great amount of respect for DLD for his work ,,as well as BIB....
I think that as I said before ...only good can come from a well rounded debate ,AND THIS IS BECOMING A VERY INFORMATIVE DISCUSSION ...well guys i think i will step back and continue to learn from this

SnakePlissken

06-18-03, 12:45 AM

Someone could have misread their lot to begin with and declared the wrong value as their true value. This might spell a few answers out for us.

SS4Jelq

06-18-03, 04:21 AM

Wax,

>what would the length difference between a 12:00 LOT & a 6:00 LOT really amount to (in terms of ligament stretch)?<

Results so far *hint* at a 1/4" gain per half hour of LOT from lig stretching (from a starting LOT of 9.5 here), of course this will differ from person to person depending on the amount of inner penis they have to express. 2", maybe three at a push in the absolute best instance.

>Also, even at 6:00 LOT, why do guys think that your ligs can't still stretch??? <

Of course they can. But think of it this way, if there is no inner penis to express because of the low exit point, and no gain potential from lig stretching, what is the benefit of lig stretching? Your eretion angle may lower, and your erection would most likely move around more. So say you do this, and you now have looser ligs with no inner penis to express. Lets say .5". Now you decide to work the tunica, and make a .5" gain here. What happens? The tunica stretch is completely accomodated by the longer ligs, your LOT would not change. If you did the tunica work first, your LOT would rise along with the exit point, allowing more gains from lig stretch by expressing inner penis.

>I just think that guys with a high LOT can gain some length very quickly - up to that first 1-1.5"....then the rest is a battle against the tunica. <

Now you're getting it. Remember that future lig gains may be possible after the tunica stretching.

ATS,

>and when you get so many great minds together debating it can only turn up good info .<

Its always good fun to yammer away with DLD. DLD - are we at the point where we start splitting threads and talking about worms? ;)

>OK so we need to work the tunica ...right ?<

Only guys with a low LOT.

Guys,

Let me elaborate on the theory a little, as there is some confusion. I think that some people are trying to knock something they dont understand.

When you kegel, the PC muscle pulls the tunica back into the body slightly. The ligs attach on the TOP of the shaft, right? So naturally, the higher the angle of stretch, the less stress they will take, because the underside of the penis will be taking more stress. Do we all agree so far?

So you kegel, and move the angle of stretch down slightly, kegel again. Because the PC pulls the *TUNICA* back into the body, you will experience a tugback ONLY if the tunica is taking the stress. Right? That just makes sense doesn't it? Still with me?

Now, as you lower the angle of stretch, there may be a point where there is no tugback. Remember, the ligs are on TOP of the shaft, the lower the angle, the more potential stress they will take. There will be a point where they take most of the stress of the stretch. The penis will not tugback because THE LIGS ARE TAKING THE STRESS. You can kegel till you bleed but you wont get a tugback because you are stretching the ligs and the tunica IN FRONT of the attachment point of the ligs (this of course, would not affect tugback).

Remember, with the LOT test you are looking for the angle of stretch where the ligs take the stress. If they do not take the stress right down to 6, they are already long, indidcating the tunica is the limiting factor.

I hope that clears things up a little.

SS4

pole

06-18-03, 07:03 AM

SS4,

good explanation so far!
Now you should just clarify that the tunica stretch you're refering to is the stress of the INNER tunica (aka hidden penis) because the OUTER tunica (visible part of the penis) will take more stress from downward stretching as the inner part can't take stress at all due to the restricting ligs.
This means downward stretching is more efficient for stretching of the OUTER tunica then upward stretching.
Right?

pole

SS4Jelq

06-18-03, 09:04 AM

Pole,

>good explanation so far! <

Thanks!

>Now you should just clarify that the tunica stretch you're refering to is the stress of the INNER tunica (aka hidden penis)<

Yes, LOT will not rise unless the tunica BEHIND the attachment point of the ligs to the shaft is stretched.

> because the OUTER tunica (visible part of the penis) will take more stress from downward stretching as the inner part can't take stress at all due to the restricting ligs. <

Close. Remember that the ligs attach along the shaft, it is not just the inner tunica which loses stress to the ligs, but all the tunica leading up to the furthest attachment point.

>This means downward stretching is more efficient for stretching of the OUTER tunica then upward stretching. <

Both would give equal amounts of stress to the tunica above the attachment point. Use this equation (If the stretch a standard one, with no fulcrum, and assuming there are no major variations in the shape of the tunica, and assuming for arguments/claritys sake that the ligs attach exactly midway along the tunica):

Force of stretch = x
Stress lost to ligs = y

Downward stretching;

Overall stress placed on the tunica = x - y
Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point= x/2 - y
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x/2

Upward stretching;

Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point= x/2
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x/2
(y = 0)

SS4

pole

06-18-03, 10:05 AM

>Close. Remember that the ligs attach along the shaft, it is not just the inner tunica which loses stress to the ligs, but all the tunica leading up to the furthest attachment point.<

Right!

>Both would give equal amounts of stress to the tunica above the attachment point. Use this equation (If the stretch a standard one, with no fulcrum, and assuming there are no major variations in the shape of the tunica, and assuming for arguments/claritys sake that the ligs attach exactly midway along the tunica):

Force of stretch = x
Stress lost to ligs = y

Downward stretching;

Overall stress placed on the tunica = x - y
Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point= x/2 - y
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x/2

Upward stretching;

Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point= x/2
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x/2
(y = 0)<

I think your equation is a bit simple(no pun).
Besides that some people have fairly low lig attachment ( further to the body, like myself), I would place it more like this for downward stretching:

Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point = 0
Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x-y

Because the inner penis will get no stretch at all due to the ligs tke it all IMO.
And I "feel" (attention: anecdotal evidence!) that y is smaller then x/2 in the upward stretch.
But we, or at least I, don't know enough data about ligs and tunica to provide a valuable structural calculation.

pole

RB2

06-18-03, 10:13 AM

I just wanted to add algebra blows donkey dicks...

SS4 has this one covered all the way. What he said. :)

SS4Jelq

06-18-03, 10:22 AM

pole,

>Stress placed on the tunica before the attachment point = 0 <

Yes if the ligs are tight and/or the angle is BTC, the equation would be:

y = x/2

(again, assuming the ligs attach midway for simplicites sake)

>Stress placed on the tunica after the attachment point = x-y <

This does not compute. How can the ligs take any stress beyond their furthest attachment point?

>Because the inner penis will get no stretch at all due to the ligs tke it all IMO. <

With very low LOT's, I feel the ligs will not take 100% of the stress, and progressively less as the angle is raised.

>And I "feel" (attention: anecdotal evidence!) that y is smaller then x/2 in the upward stretch. <

In an upward stretch, y = 0, the ligs are taking no stress at all.

RB,

>I just wanted to add algebra blows donkey dicks... <

I concur.

SS4

doublelongdaddy

06-18-03, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by SS4Jelq
When you kegel, the PC muscle pulls the tunica back into the body slightly. The ligs attach on the TOP of the shaft, right? So naturally, the higher the angle of stretch, the less stress they will take, because the underside of the penis will be taking more stress. Do we all agree so far?

Yes I agree. This brings me back to the original post I made. When doing bundled stretches the LOT is changed thus skewing this data.

SS4Jelq

06-18-03, 01:09 PM

Yes but your natural LOT remains the same, you can fake your LOT but you cant magically increase the inner penis. I posted my thoughts on lig stretching at a low LOT earlier in this thread.

SS4

ICM

06-18-03, 01:29 PM

Excuse my lack of comprehension when I ask, what is desirable about having tugback at all levels? Essentially is means I have no LOT whatsoever when bundled!

I do bundled A-Stretches both straight up and straight down in my routine btw.

SS4Jelq

06-18-03, 01:31 PM

ICM,

Maybe your PC muscle is too weak?

SS4

pole

06-18-03, 11:26 PM

SS4,

x/2=y? I doubt this! It would only hold true when the ligs and tunica were of the same "material", but they aren't.
In my model you must picture the tunica with a rubber band which is attached at one side to a not movable object (pc muscle)and the ligs(which are more stiff)with a robe attached midway to it.
This means, when pulling upwards you distribute the force all over the rubber band (counterforce is the pc) and when pulling downward, almost the same force to the external half only after the ligs are at their max.temporary stretch!
So the outer penis will receive more stress in comparisson with the upward stretch.
I think we should not stick with the maths because we don't know all necessary data, like I said before.

I still feel/see a better flaccid stretch from doing it downward and I have a pretty low LOT (6:30).

pole

p.s.: I don't think that the LOT-theory is not right, but I don't feel that it's the "one and only road to success" for everybody.

WaxN

06-19-03, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by SS4Jelq
Remember that future lig gains may be possible after the tunica stretching. SS4
So - correct me if I'm wrong - but you seem to be saying that guys with a relatively low LOT should focus on tunica - thereby raising their LOT, then attack with lig stretching? And back to tunica again?
I wonder how many times you can effectively raise your LOT before the game is up.

SS4Jelq

06-19-03, 12:47 AM

pole,

>x1/2=y? I doubt this! It would only hold true when the ligs and tunica were of the same "material", but they aren't.<

YOU stated this in your above post, I was agreeing with you! lol, who's side are you on, mine oe yours?

y is the stress taken by the tunica. In the *example*, the ligs attach *exacty* half way along the shaft. Assuming there are no variations in the shape of the tunica, the whole shaft would take the stress equally. So from the point between the furthest point back that the stress is felt and midway, the stress received here would be half of the total stress, correct? IOW x/2. So if the ligs took all the stress then y=x/2.

>I think we should not stick with the maths because we don't know all necessary data, like I said before. <

I am overly simplifying here I know. The numbers would be different depending on many variables.

Wax,

Correct.

SS4

pole

06-19-03, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by SS4Jelq
pole,

>x1/2=y? I doubt this! It would only hold true when the ligs and tunica were of the same "material", but they aren't.<

YOU stated this in your above post, I was agreeing with you! lol, who's side are you on, mine oe yours?

y is the stress taken by the tunica.
I am overly simplifying here I know. The numbers would be different depending on many variables.

SS4

Re-read my posts. I said x/2>y! Not equal! Double LOL ;)
AND I understand y to be the stress taken by the LIGS and NOT by the tunica!
"Stress lost to ligs = y"
This were your words! Triple LOL :D

Okay, I'm done with this.

pole

pole

06-19-03, 01:34 AM

WaxN,

good question!
I would like to know this myself.

pole

doublelongdaddy

06-19-03, 08:35 AM

I have problems with medical and mathematical reasoning, especially when it comes to penis enlargement. These so called rational, intelligent people are the same ones who said hair can grow on your hand from masturbation and that the world was flat. Most of the people in the world believed these theories with not much question at all. I am willing to listen to any theory but I am not willing to accept them based on preliminary information gathered from a small cross section of the population. I think anyone who proposes a theory should desire as much critical analysis as possible to prove there ideas as fact. This type of discussion is spirited and productive as long as we keep it on the level it has been. I would like to thank you guys for keeping this thread active and explored. I think the outcome will answer many questions for the PE community.

RB2

06-19-03, 09:40 AM

I had some thoughts on this from a discussion we're having at Thunders that may help us find common ground.

It has to to with the "internal penis", not the part that is tightly held against the outside of the body by high tight ligs at high LOTs, but the actual shaft that is inside the body cavity. As we know this is constructed of the same exact tissues we are stressing and stretching outside the body, we know it has potential for growth as well, but how is it best stressed seems to be the question.

For low LOT, tunica work is recommended, at higher angles. However, I hypothesize that the inner penis is not effectively worked at angles 9:00 and above, as most do tunica stretching. I'm pretty certain that once the shaft enters the body cavity, it curves upwards and attaches to the inside of the pubic bone via the pc muscle. Due to this curve, it made sense to me that the best way to hit this section of the shaft is to stretch at much lower angles than normal for tunica work, all the way down to just above one's LOT.

I just did so in my last stretching session, with very good results. Although it was 25 minutes ago, I still feel the lingering tingling stretched sensation deep behind my balls.

I think this approach is why those with low LOTS are still feeling a good stretch working lower angles. The trick is to find the fine line that allows you to stress the inner penis and lower shaft without bringing the ligs into play too much...

pole

06-19-03, 10:18 AM

RB,

thanks for the insight!
I will pay more attention to the inner penis with my evening session.

pole

RB2

06-19-03, 10:27 AM

Thought I should add, I still feel like the LOT theory is dead on, easy gains from lig stretching if you have a high LOT, if it's low you need to stress the tunica. I think the tunica can be properly stretched at the lower angles, provided careful attention is paid.

I just did another session, really feeling the tingling stretch residual... :)

SS4Jelq

06-19-03, 02:40 PM

pole,

>Re-read my posts. I said x/2>y! Not equal!<

I think we have our wires crossed. Lets review:

You said that downward stretching would give more stress to the outer tunica than upward.

I presented the equation to suggest that the stress given to the outer tunica would be equal for both upward stretching and downward stretching.

You said that with downward stretching "the inner penis will get no stretch at all due to the ligs tke it all IMO."

I said that in some cases this is true, due to the ligs being tight and having a high LOT. So in this case the y = x/2 - meaning the ligs would take all the stress from their attachment point down.

You said "x/2=y? I doubt this!"

I pointed out your contradiction.

You have a giggling fit :).

Where is the problem here?

BTW, you had a double LOL before a single LOL ;).

SS4

doublelongdaddy

06-19-03, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by SS4Jelq
x/2>y y = x/2 - x/2=y?

Translates to: Stretch your dick and the shit gets longer:D

pole

06-19-03, 11:01 PM

SS4,

up to now I enjoyed our discussion but it's getting a bit out of subject.
I still don't see my contradiction but yours, maybe because of my limeted understanding. Don't know.
Let's move on!

BTW, of course I started with a double LOL 'cause YOU had already the single one ;)

DLD,

I agree :D

RB,

After checking it out in the eve, I must say that I feel the stretch with the downward only in outer penis and ligs only.
Best inner penis stretch I get still with upward stretching with a full hand grip and pulling diagonal to my left/right hip.

pole

SS4Jelq

06-20-03, 12:35 PM

pole,

>Let's move on! <

Lets. You still love me right?

SS4

doublelongdaddy

06-20-03, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by SS4Jelq
pole,

>Let's move on! <

Lets. You still love me right?

SS4

I love everyone, except for that guy JAZ.:D

SnakePlissken

06-20-03, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by SS4Jelq
pole,

>Let's move on! <

Lets. You still love me right?

SS4

Is that in a gay way though? Just wanted to know. Peace. Snake.

SS4Jelq

06-20-03, 03:58 PM

In a completely heterosexual way, snake.

SS4

SnakePlissken

06-20-03, 09:31 PM

Just busting balls. I appreciate you putting up with my sense of humor or lack of it.

Now getting back to this whole LOT thing. I would care to know a few things. Couldn't a person with a higher lot do all tunica work first? Get all the hard work done fast and then chase the easier stuff gainwise last? If these Bundle exercises change lot later on wouldn't busting my ass doing the hard work make any difference in the end play ANY adavantage with a lot lie resetting it higher to 9 or 10 O'Clock?

Just wanted to ask the experts here. Thanks.

wannabe9

06-20-03, 09:36 PM

One quick question though.
What is the best way to determine how much internal penis one has?

SnakePlissken

06-20-03, 09:55 PM

I heard this guy named Bigger is Better (Bib) over at PE and Thunder's found his during a visit to the hospital. From what I gather, he injured his back, and had his pelvis X Rayed and saw a film and saw the outline of his inner member in the film. He intially disbelieved it was his X Ray cause it showed more than he thought he had.

wannabe9

06-20-03, 10:11 PM

Although that may have been the case for BIB, I know there is another way one can find out. There has to be a way to find out by feeling .........

pole

06-20-03, 10:36 PM

Originally posted by SS4Jelq
pole,

>Let's move on! <

Lets. You still love me right?

SS4

I adore you! :p :D ;)

pole

pole

06-20-03, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by wannabe9
Although that may have been the case for BIB, I know there is another way one can find out. There has to be a way to find out by feeling .........

Yes, just get an erection and grasp around behind your balls while kegeling and you will find it.

pole

wannabe9

06-21-03, 06:31 AM

Thanks :cool:

SS4Jelq

06-21-03, 09:04 AM

Snake,

>Couldn't a person with a higher lot do all tunica work first? Get all the hard work done fast and then chase the easier stuff gainwise last?<

No because lig gains are easier to achieve so if you have a high LOT you can get bigger faster by lig work.

SS4

doublelongdaddy

06-21-03, 02:11 PM

Originally posted by SnakePlissken
I heard this guy named Bigger is Better (Bib) over at PE and Thunder's found his during a visit to the hospital. From what I gather, he injured his back, and had his pelvis X Rayed and saw a film and saw the outline of his inner member in the film. He intially disbelieved it was his X Ray cause it showed more than he thought he had.

But what if inner penis stretches and enlarges during the whole PE process as the outer penis stretches and enlarges?

SnakePlissken

06-21-03, 02:18 PM

Theoretically possible I guess. But the point I was trying to make was that this was before the hours of hanging were done by almost a decade or so. This means he never yanked his crank before this and was like"Wow! WTF is going on down there?"

doublelongdaddy

02-12-04, 03:46 PM

I am going to start bundleing my Pulse 110's. Since I have been doing 110's I have done them regular grip, I am curious to see if a bundle will boost my intensity.

doublelongdaddy

09-27-05, 11:29 AM

So - correct me if I'm wrong - but you seem to be saying that guys with a relatively low LOT should focus on tunica - thereby raising their LOT, then attack with lig stretching? And back to tunica again?
I wonder how many times you can effectively raise your LOT before the game is up.

Exactly 4 times :s

joey_styles

01-18-06, 01:17 PM

DLD Bundle Stretches are great!:cool:
I do them evey day with a nice still pipe
this is what help me leave 8'' behind not to knowllage about lot but i like gaines rofl
there fore its a keeper any more tunica streaches please let me know
joeystyles692002@yahoo.com
ps. it don't hurt to buy a kegel master 2000 it helps with the uni-flex
:cool:

doublelongdaddy

02-11-06, 09:57 AM

chilliewillie

02-11-06, 09:36 PM

I have to admit the whole "lot" angle/entry point etc, is over my head.

I'm going to have to read up on this stuff....

swolejah

02-11-06, 11:06 PM

how do you do a bundle stretch?<:(

Vaseline_Knight

02-12-06, 05:41 AM

doublelongdaddy

02-12-06, 03:07 PM

how do you do a bundle stretch?<:(

A bundled stretch is when you take your flaccid penis and twist it, like a cork screw and apply a stretch to it. I prefer Blasters as I think this maximizes the stretch potential for gains.

Hmm I'm confused, I was under the impression that the sooner you lose your tugback the higher your LOT the more your potential for lig gains. So if you get tugback at every angle, it means you have a low LOT. Am I mistaken?

When I bundle my penis my LOT, or loss of tug-back, does not exist any longer even though I have a very low LOT. This forced, exception allows me to make both ligament and tunica gains totally independent of wether or no I have a loss of LOT.

swolejah

02-12-06, 10:20 PM

Mike so do you twist it all the way around 360 degrees then just pull straight out?

Vaseline_Knight

02-13-06, 01:30 AM

When I bundle my penis my LOT, or loss of tug-back, does not exist any longer even though I have a very low LOT. This forced, exception allows me to make both ligament and tunica gains totally independent of wether or no I have a loss of LOT.

So could that mean that Bundled stretches (hanging) ultimately hit Ligaments ESPECIALLY for people with low LOTS who would otherwise not gain from lower angle hanging/stretching? Prince Albert gained 1/4" lately from bundled hanging. Maybe that's lig gains after all

doublelongdaddy

02-13-06, 09:44 AM

Mike so do you twist it all the way around 360 degrees then just pull straight out?

I go as far, in twists, as I can and still remain pain-free. The idea here is sort of like a wet towel when you twist it and pull it to drain the water. After this is done it is much longer than before. SInce we are dealing with a living part of the body there is cell regeneration so over time this will become a permanent enlargement.

So could that mean that Bundled stretches (hanging) ultimately hit Ligaments ESPECIALLY for people with low LOTS who would otherwise not gain from lower angle hanging/stretching? Prince Albert gained 1/4" lately from bundled hanging. Maybe that's lig gains after all

I agree. If LOT dictates that gains are limited with a low LOT than Bundles will answer this problem by forcing your ligaments into a twisted position allowing additional length gains.