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philseddon
11-27-06, 09:06 PM
Can testestosterone from my GP enlarge my penis?

I have a problem and my penis is small, not changing much from puberty.

Can anyone tell me if i can change this and will testosterone from my GP help?

I have been embarrased up until now to speak about this, it really has affected my sex life and relationships.

Thanks.

orangeboy
11-27-06, 10:18 PM
Can testestosterone from my GP enlarge my penis?

I have a problem and my penis is small, not changing much from puberty.

Can anyone tell me if i can change this and will testosterone from my GP help?

I have been embarrased up until now to speak about this, it really has affected my sex life and relationships.

Thanks.

I can't say about the testosterone, but I can say you don't have to be embaressed about any topic here. I'm sure someone can give an educated opinion about the potential of additional testosterone. You did the right thing with asking!

StretchForReal
11-27-06, 10:25 PM
Well, having directly used testosterone and other synthetic hormones (juice) I can tell you it will give you awesome erections! And very frequent! Want to do it all the time:) not sure how or if it will effect additional growth besides what you will get with puberty and age.

Threak
11-27-06, 11:50 PM
Can testestosterone from my GP enlarge my penis?
I have a problem and my penis is small, not changing much from puberty.
Can anyone tell me if i can change this and will testosterone from my GP help? I have been embarrased up until now to speak about this, it really has affected my sex life and relationships.
The high level of testosterone at the beginning of puberty will cause penis growth. Once puberty finishes the growth stops and doesn't start again.

Taking TRT doses for replacing missing adult level hormones will not increase your penis size either, The reason it will not work is because you only receive an Adult level at about 600-800 ng/dl which is too low to mimic puberty levels..

If you increase the dose to the levels of about 1200-1500 ng/dl like during normal puberty, for about 2-3 years, the normal duration of puberty may increase the size of your penis. You will go through the same effects as in puberty with side effects to this as well. You will want to do regular PROSTATE exams during this time

If you feel you never fully completed puberty. There are plenty of clinics that cater to this. Just be well educated on the subject before making any life changing decision.

Asanon
11-28-06, 12:05 AM
... Usually the genes for that sort of growth are expressed until age 16 to 18, then they shut down (or off).

Which -- doesn't mean everyone everywhere fits that mold,

Nor that there isn't some manner of process to re-express those particular genes to turn back on, - somewhere - ,

but pretty much no. Exogenous Test isn't going to have that effect on the adult body.

The most-direct way to growth is going to be to become a master of Penis Enlargement methods ---- read up on hardcore gainers like DLD, Supra, Red Zulu (and apologies to anyone there I should also mention.)

The reason that casual Penis Enlargement-ers don't gain fast, or at all, is from going about it half-assed.

Follow good methods with dedication and you'll get where you want to be.

And ask questions here anytime you don't understand. :)

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Threak
11-28-06, 12:15 AM
Have to agree with Asanon start reading and staying educated on P.E. it's help me with my self confidence and maintain my Penile health

Check out DLD's Newbie Routine and go from there.
http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12811&postcount=1

EVO
11-28-06, 03:34 AM
there is a possibility that dht gel can enlarge the penis when used in the correct amounts. it is used to grow young boys that have a micro penis. here is the thread http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26717
whether or not it will be any good for treating adults i dont know...

smileyguy
11-29-06, 10:35 AM
Testosterone won't work due to the rise in estrogne that comers with it downregulating androgen receptors in the penis. Dht or testosterone with an estrogen blocker will give you a chance for growth. I'm only 16 and am about to do the same. It might also be worth looking into IGF as a supplement to P.e(drug that is) there are studies to show it has pistive effects of penis tissues. It also promotes colagen synthsis. While drugs/supplements to soften ligaments would also beneficial(or you could just toss yourslef off to relax your dick), might also try PGE-1 as it has very strong effects on collagen(supposedly unlinking them or something and helping with degradation), also drugs that generally soften collagen. these would help with brake down and recovery of collagen the key componenets in growth.
Hope this helps
Cheers, Rason

Threak
11-29-06, 11:41 AM
Testosterone won't work due to the rise in estrogne that comers with it downregulating androgen receptors in the penis. Dht or testosterone with an estrogen blocker will give you a chance for growth. I'm only 16 and am about to do the same. It might also be worth looking into IGF as a supplement to P.e(drug that is) there are studies to show it has pistive effects of penis tissues. It also promotes colagen synthsis. While drugs/supplements to soften ligaments would also beneficial(or you could just toss yourslef off to relax your dick), might also try PGE-1 as it has very strong effects on collagen(supposedly unlinking them or something and helping with degradation), also drugs that generally soften collagen. these would help with brake down and recovery of collagen the key componenets in growth.
Hope this helps
Cheers, Rason
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smileyguy
11-29-06, 06:10 PM
Oh sorry that was my cousin posting...and even if he was to register, he ain't doing alot of harm and could have alot to contribute....

sikdogg
11-29-06, 07:50 PM
Testosterone won't work due to the rise in estrogne that comers with it downregulating androgen receptors in the penis.
Test won't work... but not for the reason you describe. Test doesn't really exert much effect on the penis, it must be converted to DHT first.


Dht or testosterone with an estrogen blocker will give you a chance for growth.
Test will convert to estrogen so an AI or anti-e may be a good idea but DHT is a natural anti-e so estrogen is never an issue with DHT.

spinner2
11-29-06, 09:03 PM
Oh sorry that was my cousin posting...and even if he was to register, he ain't doing alot of harm and could have alot to contribute....
I'm not sure if you realize this, but a 16 year old talking about his steroid cycles could fuck over MOS legally/financially. Tell him to wait 2 years, then we'll be happy to listen to the crazy shit he's doing.

Vaseline_Knight
11-29-06, 10:19 PM
Test won't work... but not for the reason you describe. Test doesn't really exert much effect on the penis, it must be converted to DHT first.


Test will convert to estrogen so an AI or anti-e may be a good idea but DHT is a natural anti-e so estrogen is never an issue with DHT.

Sikdogg
do you think DHT creme will have a positive effect on adult penile tissue?

spinner2
11-29-06, 10:23 PM
Sikdogg
do you think DHT creme will have a positive effect on adult penile tissue?
Studies showed it was effective on micropenis. There haven't been any other studies I know of on those without the condition, but there aren't any physiological differences I know of. I also know that androgen receptors don't really change in the penis after puberty.

So yes, it should work.

Threak
11-30-06, 12:05 AM
In hopes of enlarging your penis after the cycle of puberty is actually unheard of with hormone replacement therapy. There is no pill that will increase the size of your penis by itself. You need balance to create that phenomenon. It's trying to build muscle mass without exercising and just drinking protein shakes.

You need to take massive action and P.E. for your outcome to surface.

spinner2
11-30-06, 02:06 AM
By applying DHT directly you get more DHT than you would through any hormone replacement therapy (and as far as I know hormone replacement therapy is generally test replacement...which wouldn't cause more DHT without more 5-AR).

If you think it's unheard of then reread what I wrote before: THERE'S A LEGITIMATE MEDICAL STUDY ON IT!

Asanon
11-30-06, 04:59 AM
Studies showed it was effective on micropenis.

...of adults, I'd assume.

The problem there is that adult micropenis is, for whatever confounding condition or environmental insult, genetically underexpressed --

(having never gone through a proper cycle - or else it wouldn't be micro),

and while DHT cream might effect an underexpressed condition , .... that wouldn't per se speak to its effects on a normal adult penis.

You'd have to have a separate study with equal rigor (and make sure that no Penis Enlargement was going on, etc) to see if it could effect an already expressed condition in a similar way for normal adults.

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smileyguy
11-30-06, 08:40 AM
Test won't work... but not for the reason you describe. Test doesn't really exert much effect on the penis, it must be converted to DHT first.


Test will convert to estrogen so an AI or anti-e may be a good idea but DHT is a natural anti-e so estrogen is never an issue with DHT.

Yes testosterone does convert to DHT, but the reason the DHT won't work is due to the downregulation of Androgen Receptors cuased by the testosterone.

If you use pure DHT there is no aromatisation, thus no estrogen, thus no Androgen receptor downregulation, thus the DHT will exert some effect.

This is why high estrogen kills sex drive.

smileyguy
11-30-06, 08:44 AM
It's most effective on under 21's, but this study seems to be based around microphallus aged 10?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8326617&dopt=Abstract

Cheers,
RAson.


...of adults, I'd assume.

The problem there is that adult micropenis is, for whatever confounding condition or environmental insult, genetically underexpressed --

(having never gone through a proper cycle - or else it wouldn't be micro),

and while DHT cream might effect an underexpressed condition , .... that wouldn't per se speak to its effects on a normal adult penis.

You'd have to have a separate study with equal rigor (and make sure that no Penis Enlargement was going on, etc) to see if it could effect an already expressed condition in a similar way for normal adults.

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Threak
11-30-06, 11:27 AM
You guys don't get it ... he (philseddon) is trying to find a fast method for penis enlargement through hormone increase. It's unbalanced and unsafe for him to do this. What good is it to have a Monstor-Cock if your Libido is gone, with chronic acne and bald. He really needs to speak with an expert on this subject and stop trying to find someone to simple agree with him. Go down to Mexico they'll give you all the Male hormones you want ... just have to get 'em across the border undetected.

Threak
11-30-06, 11:27 AM
You guys don't get it ... he (philseddon) is trying to find a fast method for penis enlargement through hormone increase. It's unbalanced and unsafe for him to do this. What good is it to have a Monstor-Cock if your Libido is gone, high blood pressure with chronic acne and bald. He really needs to speak with an expert on this subject and stop trying to find someone to simply agree with him. Go down to Mexico they'll give you all the Male hormones you want ... just have to get 'em across the border undetected.

There is a whole internet to do his research and he choose to find an anaswer and an expert on hormone therapy at a Penis Enlargement web-Site ... DUH! It's like trying to find a doctor at a Star-Trek convention

sikdogg
11-30-06, 02:14 PM
Yes testosterone does convert to DHT, but the reason the DHT won't work is due to the downregulation of Androgen Receptors cuased by the testosterone.

If you use pure DHT there is no aromatisation, thus no estrogen, thus no Androgen receptor downregulation, thus the DHT will exert some effect.


Can you post a study that supports estrogen downregulating AR??? I'd be very interested in reading it....


This is why high estrogen kills sex drive.
Hmm... why is it that libido also goes down when estrogen levels are too low??

goldmember
11-30-06, 09:35 PM
You guys don't get it ... he (philseddon) is trying to find a fast method for penis enlargement through hormone increase. It's unbalanced and unsafe for him to do this. What good is it to have a Monstor-Cock if your Libido is gone, with chronic acne and bald. He really needs to speak with an expert on this subject and stop trying to find someone to simple agree with him. Go down to Mexico they'll give you all the Male hormones you want ... just have to get 'em across the border undetected.
DHT applied directly to the penis is done in small amounts (like 5-10 grams per week at 2.5%). This is unlikely to have serious side effects. Some places selling DHT cream even throw in a PSA test to make sure no prostate enlargement occurs.

goldmember
11-30-06, 09:43 PM
Yes testosterone does convert to DHT, but the reason the DHT won't work is due to the downregulation of Androgen Receptors cuased by the testosterone.
A better guess would be that the testosterone doesn't convert to DHT in the tissue you want it in. The conversion does no good in the skeletal muscles if your goal is a larger penis


If you use pure DHT there is no aromatisation, thus no estrogen, thus no Androgen receptor downregulation, thus the DHT will exert some effect.

This is why high estrogen kills sex drive.
Actually, high estrogen levels kill libido because estrogen is the signal to the hypothalamus that testosterone levels are sufficient (since estrogen is produced by testosterone via aromatase). So high estrogen levels will fool your body into thinking your testosterone levels are also very high, thus shutting down the boys. It is low testosterone that kills libido, not high estrogen.