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spinner2
02-18-07, 10:44 PM
Ok, I've been looking for caverject sources forever without any luck. If anyone has any insight or can be of help, I'd appreciate it. I want to get started on the chemical Penis Enlargement protocol by August, and this is the one thing holding me back.

8incyclops
02-18-07, 10:50 PM
Hey Spinner just go to the doctors like i did and say you have tried Viagra and cialis and have problems maintaing a good 100% erection its not that bad you no,try to get a old doctor though because they have probley prescribed it before. Hope this helps

spinner2
02-18-07, 11:07 PM
I'm only 20, and I've had awful luck with doctor's. I'm saving that as an absolute last resort.

goldmember
02-19-07, 12:50 AM
You'll need someone to show you how to inject the first time, right? I would never risk trying to find out for myself how it is done.

spinner2
02-19-07, 12:58 AM
I'm going to find an autoinjector off the internet, and I'm sure I could find a tutorial video.

goldmember
02-19-07, 11:28 AM
What exactly is an autoinjector? I have heard of it many times, but never really cared to ask...

spinner2
02-19-07, 01:41 PM
Spring loaded syringe. You press a button and it injects without you having to watch the needle.

stagestop
02-19-07, 04:06 PM
Hi Spinner2

I realize that you have not asked for opinions, but to me it seems that you may not be looking at the full scope of the injecting process.

First of all, Caverject comes as a "kit" which includes the PGE-1 in a dry powder form, as well as the water. The "kit" is a syringe with two individual chambers. To mix the two, you first rotate the screw mechanism on the bottom of the syringe which forces water that is in the lower chamber, into the top chamber where it mixes with the dried power PGE-1.

The powder dissolves almost immediately in the syringe. But you must then inspect the clarity of the dissolved powder. It should be very clear in the syringe. If the mix is cloudy, it signifies that the powder is old, and has begun to deteriorate. A little bit of cloudiness can be accepted, but you may have to add a bit more of the mix to compensate for the deterioration of the PGE-1. Any substantial cloudiness is indicative of a more serious deterioration of the powder and that should not be injected.

So, your first concern in buying any Caverject, is "how old is it?" Unfortunately, there is no way to tell. The life expectancy of one kit is probably around 2 months if it is not refrigerated, and perhaps as long as 4 if it is. These days few pharmacies refrigerate the kits anymore. So, to get value for the money, you need to buy the Caverject frequently, and in smaller amounts.

The next step in Caverject usage is the titration. This is CRITICAL. If there is any thing that I would advise you to see a doctor on, it is this one. In the people that I have worked with on these boards, the record is that 100% of them have had at least 1 priapism. Thankfully, it seem that none of them were injured from them, but to just start out with a hope, and have no idea about dosage is really like jumping off a cliff and hoping for a soft landing.

In Caverject, the dosage is determined first by adjusting the barrel of the syringe to get the maximum dosage desired. The 20 mcg kit has 4 alternatives for dosing, they are 5, 10, 15 and 20 mcg. As you rotate the barrel you change the stroke of the syringe, so that you cannot exceed that dosage when you inject.

As a consideration, a 20 mcg kit costs around $23. at a drug store.

Auto injectors cannot be used with Caverject as Caverject is a kit that includes the syringe, and cannot be opened, or modified.

As another consideration, PGE-1 (which is what Caverject is) is the most potent of the chemicals used in injecting, but it has the downside of causing pain when a large amount is injected. You should expect that you will have a good "penis ache" when you do achieve 2+ hour erections.

The other alternative is the prescribed dosages of "bi mix" or "tri mix" or "quad mix" These are prescribed by a doctor and come in liquid form. As long as the liquid is refrigerated, they last a long time. California law requires that the drug vendor put on a 4 month long usage time limit onto the bottle, but it will most likely last up to 2 years if refrigerated.

However, titration is just as critical, if not more so, with the mixed chemicals. This is because the amount of PGE-1 in the mix varies by the what the doctor thinks will do for you. And as there are other chemicals in the mix (although all are less potent once for once than PGE-1 AND for Penis Enlargement purposes, you do want as much PGE-1 as possible) their dosage is also an issue.

With all of these variables, plus adding to the fact that you are a young man that does not need Quad mix to get an erection, your titration could take a while.

If I were your physician, and was going to titrate you (and knowing your situation) I would use a mix that is a bit higher in percentage of the PGE-1, and start you off very, very low in dosage. Perhaps as low as .02 cc of mix.

I hope that this information is helpful.

Stage

spinner2
02-19-07, 09:40 PM
Good post. Likely I'll end up just going to Toronto, as inconvenient as that may be.

goldmember
02-19-07, 10:15 PM
A benefit that I see to using trimix over Caverject is that you can draw other drugs (such as IGF-1) in the syringe so you can save on needles AND number of injections.

Is it possible to persuade the doctor to include more PGE-1 in the trimix?

sikdogg
02-22-07, 03:53 PM
Caverject isn't the only form of PGE1 that you can buy... you could just buy the PGE1 as a powder and re-constitute yourself. In this way, you can also draw up other "drugs" (like igf-1) in the same syringe or even premix the two beforehand.

goldmember
02-22-07, 07:56 PM
Caverject isn't the only form of PGE1 that you can buy... you could just buy the PGE1 as a powder and re-constitute yourself. In this way, you can also draw up other "drugs" (like igf-1) in the same syringe or even premix the two beforehand.
Where can you buy PGE-1 powder? Chickety China?

sikdogg
02-23-07, 12:20 PM
Where can you buy PGE-1 powder? Chickety China?
Bingo... you can get just about any drug/hormone/peptide from China if you know the right people.

goldmember
02-24-07, 12:01 AM
Bingo... you can get just about any drug/hormone/peptide from China if you know the right people.
Is it reliable to have it shipped from China, regarding temperature sensitivities of certain drugs, mainly peptides?

sikdogg
02-24-07, 05:01 AM
Is it reliable to have it shipped from China, regarding temperature sensitivities of certain drugs, mainly peptides?
Yes, for the most part it only takes a few days to ship from China to my doorstep and most peptides are fine at room temp as long as it's not for an extended period of time... GH typically can be kept at room temp for 30 days before it starts to degrade. As a safety measure, I typically request a cold pack for peptides just to make sure.

goldmember
02-24-07, 07:21 PM
Yes, for the most part it only takes a few days to ship from China to my doorstep and most peptides are fine at room temp as long as it's not for an extended period of time... GH typically can be kept at room temp for 30 days before it starts to degrade. As a safety measure, I typically request a cold pack for peptides just to make sure.
Were the peptides and PGE-1 in a vial, or did they need to be reconstituted (powder)?

sikdogg
02-25-07, 03:25 PM
Were the peptides and PGE-1 in a vial, or did they need to be reconstituted (powder)?
They come as a powder in a sealed vial to be reconstituted...

steamboatr
08-24-08, 11:54 PM
I have been a Caverject user since before the brand existed. Used to have to get it compounded at a hospital pharmacy from my Dr's prescription. So it has a growth effect also?

10inchadvantage
08-26-08, 04:18 PM
I have been a Caverject user since before the brand existed. Used to have to get it compounded at a hospital pharmacy from my Dr's prescription. So it has a growth effect also?

Some claim it does.

steamboatr
08-26-08, 05:18 PM
I would like to talk with you off list about the possibilities and accomplishment that you have achieved with the chemical injections. steamboatr@yahoo.com

10inchadvantage
08-26-08, 05:31 PM
I would like to talk with you off list about the possibilities and accomplishment that you have achieved with the chemical injections. steamboatr@yahoo.com

None, and I wouldn't recommend chemical Penis Enlargement to anyone.

goldmember
09-16-08, 03:01 PM
Chemical Penis Enlargement seems to come with mixed results. There have been a few cases of very good results (2" x 1" gains) and others that claim nothing. There are many variables, such as dedication, frequency, duration, proper reconstitution of the drugs, dosages, adding other drugs (IGF, DHT, etc) and diligence of exercises (stretching, etc).

stormy
09-17-08, 04:33 PM
Mis-post. Sorry. Don't know how to delete.

chevydarrell
10-26-08, 03:50 AM
Hello,

Is anyone still doing chemical pe?

Thanks

10inchadvantage
10-26-08, 12:42 PM
Hello,

Is anyone still doing chemical pe?

Thanks

Most people have quit. In my experience, it does nothing.

131greyave
06-23-10, 02:46 PM
Hey 10 inch what did you use in your protocol? Maybe you were leaving something out? That dude Ronielle on the chempe.com has a blog where he has gained from chemical pe but he charges for the consultation and information. I'm not paying 100 dollars for information if we have access here. Can we all agree that in order for every thing to work for chemical pe you would need PGE 1, IGF(lypholized), Testosterone or DHT applied locally on the penis, Vascular endothelial growth factor-which is basically what happens when the priapism erections are induced, Potaba/DMSO. I get the feeling that many people do the chemical protocol only half ass or they are not using safe or the right sources for the PGE 1, IGF, etc.