L-Arginine

[waseechee]

I have been taking 500mg per day for about 8 days. I was wondering what you guys thought about L-Arginine and what should I expect from using it. from what I have read on it helps with healing from trauma. I would think this would be good for PE also.

[Supra]

I thought you had a ring of power, if you do I dont think you need to waste your money one that

[bigbutnottoo]

I thought you had a ring of power, if you do I dont think you need to waste your money one that


I find this very interesting. I was going to reply that L-Arginine may provide for other benefits that the R.O.P. cannot, such as bodybuilding and muscle mass. However, do you think that the ring of power can also help with lean muscle mass because of a test. increase?

[Supra]

Oh ya definatly read the Ring of power thread!! I am so ripped casue of the test now, i have full 6 pack and it is so easy to maintain. Read the ROP thread, the first post were I talk about my story

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3101

[quijjiboo]

I believe there are no studies that show that test directly burns fat. Of course, the increase in muscle mass test causes will do it.

L-arginine increases the NO in your blood, which plays part in erections, so theoretically it should help. There's a way to take it optimally with orange juice or something, go to bodybuilding.com and search for a bigass thread that talks about a homebrew NO2 using arginine and OJ.
Actually here it is:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?threadid=63216&highlight=arginine

[stillwantmore]

Arginine is good stuff. It will only add to what the ROP does already. I like "ArginMax" by GNC...it's cheap and works well at increasing ejaculation volume. It's great overall for vascular health...not just in your penis but your entire circulatory system. It (ArginMax) provides around 1 gram of arginine and a few different kinds of ginseng and some other stuff in it...for about $30 a month....cheap.

[9cyclops9]

Or you could get just generic free-form arginine at CVS or somewhere like that. I get 50 capsules, 500mg each. Take 2 per day to get a gram, and it's $7 for a bottle. Lots cheaper than ArginMax.

John

[WideAwake]

Beyond A Century.

300 grams, $14.50.

[loverman]

PEANUTS!

100 grams of peanuts will give you 3 grams of Arginine.

Also, 0.9 grams of Lysine and 3.27 grams of Zinc.

It's an alternative to buying expensive pills - or for those of us who don't live near an "expensive pills shop".

[WideAwake]

PEANUTS!

100 grams of peanuts will give you 3 grams of Arginine.

It's an alternative to buying expensive pills - or for those of us who don't live near an "expensive pills shop".

It will also give you 50grams of fat....an alternative for us that don't give a crap about blowing up a like ballon while we're getting 3 measly grams of l-arginine....

The bulk powder is the way to go...

[stillwantmore]

Lol.

[loverman]

I take your point - but then I live in Sweden and it's not easy to get "arginine powder" here...

We don't live on cheese burgers, milk shakes, hotdogs and sweets, so 50 grams of fat is no problem for me - the fat in peanuts is the right kind, helps prevent heart problems - okay, it's not good to eat 100 grams of peanuts if you eat junk the rest of the time. Personally, I have very little body fat, eat properly, train regularly and don't live anywhere near the kind of suppliers that are in the UK or the USA.

Like I said, it's an alternative to those of us who can't get your "bulk powder".

[bigbutnottoo]

- the fat in peanuts is the right kind, helps prevent heart problems -

I was getting ready to say that. And thanks for the suggestion.

[WideAwake]

I take your point - but then I live in Sweden and it's not easy to get "arginine powder" here...

We don't live on cheese burgers, milk shakes, hotdogs and sweets, so 50 grams of fat is no problem for me - the fat in peanuts is the right kind, helps prevent heart problems - okay, it's not good to eat 100 grams of peanuts if you eat junk the rest of the time. Personally, I have very little body fat, eat properly, train regularly and don't live anywhere near the kind of suppliers that are in the UK or the USA.

Like I said, it's an alternative to those of us who can't get your "bulk powder".


Umm...I think your comment about American's living on crap food is not only a stereotypical generalization, but also just fvcking stupid as hell.

I'm around 6', 210lb, and come in under 9% body fat. I live on rolled oats, tuna, chicken, turkey, salmon, fresh greens, lentils, cottage cheese, milk, and a healthy amount of (3+ gallons/day) of H20.

So don't get in my face about nutrition and how fvcking smart eating 100g of peanuts is. Here's some science for you:

Here's the lipid profile on 100g of peanuts

Lipids
Fatty acids, total saturated g 7.642 0
14:0 g 0.028 0
16:0 g 5.674 0
18:0 g 1.288 0
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 22.328 0
16:1 undifferentiated g 0.045 0
18:1 undifferentiated g 21.757 0
20:1 g 0.523 0
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 17.204 0
18:2 undifferentiated g 17.192 0
18:3 undifferentiated g 0.010 0
Cholesterol mg 0 0

So that give you a whopping 17g of polyunsaturated fat. Gee, I would almost have to eat 2oz of salmon to get that, but I guess your 100g of peanuts is a much better solution.

And what good would the 22g of mono do for you? Not much...most people get way more Omega-6 FFA than they need any. And the 7g of Saturated fat...well, that's just adipose tissue in the making.

Oh..one other great fact, this 'heart healthy' fat you're talking about...

Here's a quick lesson on nutrition euro health boy.

Polyunsaturated fats are made of of MANY different components of lipids, mainly:

Omega - 3s
Omega - 6s
Omega - 9s
Eicosapentaenoic Acid
Docosahexaenoic Acid

Now..guess which of those is 'heart healthy'....give up?

We'll it's the Omega's 3s (NOT 6 nor 9) and EPA/DHA.

Now tell me how much of those substrates are contained in peanuts.

Less than .2g per 100g serving.

So go chow down on your 100g of peanuts and keep telling yourself it's the right thing to do.

Oh, and one other small point.

You obviously have internet access...right?

Most of the decent bulk supply companies in the US will ship international.

Sorry..had to come back and edit this...one other salient point.

EPA/DHA are the building blocks for 'good cholesterol', now why would you want the good cholesterol, well..a ton of reasons to be honest but the one I want to mention is that ALL hormones (testosterone, leptin, gherlin, etc...) are manufactured in your system using...guess.....come on...

Yup, the good cholesterol in combination with the approrpriate enzymes.

No good chol, no test, no hard dick, no woman, no fun.

Peanuts have almost no epa/dha.

Jeez....if you want to eat nuts, at least eat walnuts as they have the highest ration of good fats to bad fats. They're not great, but they're a heck of a lot better than peanuts.

One more point...I friggin' love peanuts. But they suck for you.

Bon Appetite!

[bigbutnottoo]

[QUOTE=WideAwake]Umm...I think your comment about American's living on crap food is not only a stereotypical generalization, but also just fvcking stupid as hell.

QUOTE]

I would respectfully disagree. Congratulations on your healthy habbits, but you are more the exception than the rule. My own diet is somewhat lacking, yet I eat 10X better than most people I know. Much of the generalization is probably based on observation. I know a lot of people from other countries, literally none of whom are fat, who really cannot believe the level of obesity and junk diet they observe in Americans. The girls are also great to fuck by the way since they are all hot, not fat, and dress well ( But thats another subject).

[quijjiboo]

I agree WideAwake, you know your stuff.

Your diet is perfect, that's what I'm aiming at but it takes discipline cuz those foods you described aren't exactly the best tasting hehe.

I've been meaning to construct a PE'ers diet and put it up in the health section... I think people will see alot better gains if they eat properly

[loverman]

Okay...

a) I didn't mention "Americans living on crap food" - I simply pointed out that peanuts aren't that bad if you eat okay otherwise. If you are so over-sensitive that you read criticism of the USA into what I wrote, then I feel sorry for you. I didn't know you were American...I didn't know where you come from and don't care.

b) We have fast food in the world outside the USA...did you know that? Seeing as YOU brought the subject up, I read that something like 40% of Americans are clinically obese...maybe they are not all as clever as you?

c) My original point was just to suggest one way of getting arginine for people who can't buy it or don't want to become health-food fanatics...you do realise that some people are just different than you, don't you?

Why are you so paranoid about this? Do you sell the stuff your self?

Anyway, I wish you luck with your P.E.

If your penis ever becomes as big as your mouth, you'll be one happy man.

[waseechee]

I'm not sure how this thread got off on nutrition, but I think most people of the Island of Samoa are over weight. Think they eat a lot of fast food?

[epl8in]

L-Arginie is great for semen load. I get my Arginine from my supplentation. Personally, I use Muscle Synergy and GH Factor from Beverly International. You can find these products at bodybuildingworld.com I have also noticed that since supplementing with these two products, my erection quality has improved tremendously, steel rod in the morning.

[WideAwake]

I agree WideAwake, you know your stuff.

Your diet is perfect, that's what I'm aiming at but it takes discipline cuz those foods you described aren't exactly the best tasting hehe.

I've been meaning to construct a PE'ers diet and put it up in the health section... I think people will see alot better gains if they eat properly


Word bro, me too.

I've always been able to choke down the most disgusting tasting stuff, so I never had any probs eating clean. BUT, the one thing that I really wanted to add into my diet that until recently I was unable due to taste - Cottage Cheese. From a protein/carb perspective, it's about as good as it gets.

So here's WideAwakes new supper recipe for getting some cottage cheese in before bedtime.

2 cups fat-free or low-fat cottage cheese
1 full package of any flavor Sugar and Fat Free Jello Pudding Mix
1/2 - 1 cup skim milk
10g (or whatever you want to taste) of Splenda

Mix everything in a blender until it's smooth as pudding, pour into bowls, cups, pudding dishes, chill for at least 15 minutes and eat.

OH MY GOD...if you like chocolate pudding (and who doesn't?) than this is friggin' unreal. And the nutrition breakdown is solid. Check it.

[WideAwake]

Okay...

a) I didn't mention "Americans living on crap food" - I simply pointed out that peanuts aren't that bad if you eat okay otherwise. If you are so over-sensitive that you read criticism of the USA into what I wrote, then I feel sorry for you. I didn't know you were American...I didn't know where you come from and don't care.

Actually you did mention the association between American's and poor dietary habits when you stated:

"We don't live on cheese burgers, milk shakes, hotdogs and sweets, so 50 grams of fat is no problem for me - the fat in peanuts is the right kind, helps prevent heart problems - okay, it's not good to eat 100 grams of peanuts if you eat junk the rest of the time "

And yeah, we do have some probs with that in this country, and perhaps I did take it a little too hard. It's something that pisses me off a lot as well...though we're getting better slowly. But by the nature of your words, it was critical by definition. So don't be surprised when people call you out on broad comments like that.


b) We have fast food in the world outside the USA...did you know that? Seeing as YOU brought the subject up, I read that something like 40% of Americans are clinically obese...maybe they are not all as clever as you?

Provide a link for that 40% statistic, otherwise I'll call bullshit on it. Maybe 30% (which sucks...) but I think that's overly high. And no, most people in the world much less our country probably are not as educated as I in terms of nutrition and genral human cellular metabolism.


c) My original point was just to suggest one way of getting arginine for people who can't buy it or don't want to become health-food fanatics...you do realise that some people are just different than you, don't you?

Why are you so paranoid about this? Do you sell the stuff your self?

Anyway, I wish you luck with your P.E.

If your penis ever becomes as big as your mouth, you'll be one happy man.

LOL!

Not real paranoid, but I do take offence when people give faulty, inaccurate and down-right thoughtless advice. You comments were pretty weak bro, so I called you out. Take about being touchy...

My penis is already a good bit larger than my mouth, and yes I am happy as heck about it, thanks for the compliment.

[bigbutnottoo]

Provide a link for that 40% statistic, otherwise I'll call bullshit on it. Maybe 30% (which sucks...) but I think that's overly high. And no, most people in the world much less our country probably are not as educated as I in terms of nutrition and genral human cellular metabolism.



I do think there are certainly many obese Americans. However, any obesity statistic is dubious. Especially considering just about every elite athlete with very little bodyfat is considered "obese" by BMI and the government. Not to mention guys like Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson, Michael Jordan, Evander Holyfield,etc are all considered fat or obese.

[WideAwake]

Hey big,

Yeah, we have some fatties, no doubt.

But the current standard definitions of overweight and obesity used by the Center for Disease Control (CDC) and World Health Organization (WHO).

For adults, a body mass index of 25 or more is considered "overweight" and a BMI of 30 or more is considered "obese".

30 is pretty fvcking fat if you've ever seen someone come in around that, and certainly none of the people you mention even come close.

My point here is that 'obese' is more of a clinical definition of a condition, and although we have our fair share, I also wonder at the validity of the research on this.

[bigbutnottoo]

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30 is pretty fvcking fat if you've ever seen someone come in around that, and certainly none of the people you mention even come close.

.


No I used the people I did because they all are over 25 BMI and Tom Cruise is supposedly 31. My point was there are many obese Americans but using BMI alone probably inflate the stat.

[WideAwake]

No I used the people I did because they all are over 25 BMI and Tom Cruise is supposedly 31. My point was there are many obese Americans but using BMI alone probably inflate the stat.

Wow..I had no idea that they would rank those people that high...that's totally bs, those guys probably have 9%-11% bodyfat....(I would think anyway, looked like it to me in Mission Impossible II and some other flics...)

Down with BMI!

[9cyclops9]

By the way...to the people that think healthy food tastes like crap...it really doesn't. Your body is so used to taking in garbage that your tastebuds think McDonald's tastes good and raw spinach tastes bad. If you start eating healthily, you will soon wonder how you ever ate the way you did. I feel sick if I eat fast food these days. Get some fresh fruit and some cottage cheese (I love the way cottage cheese tastes) and chow down!

Oh and that cottage cheese/pudding mix sounds really good...too bad I don't own a blender.

Anyway...back to the original point of the thread...

You can get a pound of Arginine powder for $22.99 here:

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=36

I think I'll do it.

John

[bigbutnottoo]

By the way...to the people that think healthy food tastes like crap...it really doesn't. Your body is so used to taking in garbage that your tastebuds think McDonald's tastes good and raw spinach tastes bad. If you start eating healthily, you will soon wonder how you ever ate the way you did.

John


Having done both in my life, I can certainly vouche for that. Fast food also does a lot of damage healthwise, more than just weight.

I have friends that eat absolutely no fruits or vegetables and otherwise fairly slim. Yet they, one in particular, are always complaining about feeling bad and having GI-type problems. I tell them " Yeah, you need to start eating better" and they either are silent or act like I am crazy. These are people who do fast food at least once every day, and when they eat at home eat garbage like frozen pizza and sugary cereals.

Then they get jealous because I am in better shape, better looking, and blemish -free.

I agree once you start eating a certain way, the food becomes a lot better. And your choices are better. I can go to the produce section and start buying all kinds of new fruits and vegetables and trying new combinations, making new dishes,etc.

If I happen to go to Burger King or something now, it will make me sick. I used to literally eat out 3 times a day, fast food at least half the time. Occasionally I do slipup and crave a Double Whopper or some shit, but once I eat it I think I never want to eat this nasty shit again.

Also, eating healthy can be expensive, BUT even though my grocery bill has gone up, my overall food bill has gone down. I love eating out, but where I live there are literally almost no restaurants that serve any fruits or vegatables on the menu at all. So I am pretty much forced to eat at home.

Also, there was a documentary, I think called "Super Size Me" that was just made where a guy ate Mcdonalds 3 times a day and never refused Super Sizing if it was offered. His health changes (fat gain, impotence,etc) just in 1 month were incredible.

[9cyclops9]

BTW, that arginine powder I listed earlier is the cheapest I have found by far. It is one pound (453 grams) for $22.99. That's about 5 cents per gram. My pills I was getting from CVS were costing me 28 cents per gram. I don't think you can ask for much better than a nickel per gram.

John

[shojii]

BTW, that arginine powder I listed earlier is the cheapest I have found by far. It is one pound (453 grams) for $22.99. That's about 5 cents per gram. My pills I was getting from CVS were costing me 28 cents per gram. I don't think you can ask for much better than a nickel per gram.

John
9 your in Boston like me right..... checkout either wal-mart, target, trader joe's or the vitamin shops, and go for the generic brands. CVS is more money. The quality is not going to change so you should find a cheaper price

[quijjiboo]

BTW, that arginine powder I listed earlier is the cheapest I have found by far. It is one pound (453 grams) for $22.99. That's about 5 cents per gram. My pills I was getting from CVS were costing me 28 cents per gram. I don't think you can ask for much better than a nickel per gram.

John
Thanks for the link, I might try this at that price
What's a good dose to take daily?

[9cyclops9]

Didn't realize you were in Boston shojii. I'll check out Trader Joes because there's one right next to me. Didn't know we had a WalMart and a Target? Where are they? I'm in the Back Bay/Fenway area so maybe they're further away from me. Only lived here a few months.

Quijjiboo, I usually take 2.5 grams or so per day, but I've read several places that you should take anywhere from 3-10 grams per day, and on an empty stomach.

John

[shojii]

Didn't realize you were in Boston shojii. I'll check out Trader Joes because there's one right next to me. Didn't know we had a WalMart and a Target? Where are they? I'm in the Back Bay/Fenway area so maybe they're further away from me. Only lived here a few months.

Quijjiboo, I usually take 2.5 grams or so per day, but I've read several places that you should take anywhere from 3-10 grams per day, and on an empty stomach.

John
Are you going to school, NU or BU, Berkley??? There was a supplement store on Huntington, don't know if its still there. Also, check down in Park St. Just don't go to GNC they always bone ya dry on the price. I have a pt business so, I can always get the wholesale price that the stores get. If they charge $23.00 they pay $11.50 so, look for any price around $18-20. go on line and check out the store locations. Probably save you a lot of train or foot time

[9cyclops9]

Yeah I'm at Berklee, live on Newbury Street. There's a Trader Joes a block away, but I'll have to find the other ones. I know there's a vitamin shoppe in downtown crossing and I go there a lot, so I'll check that too. But I think I'll probably get that powder because it's probably still cheaper than pills...unless these stores have powder.

John

[9cyclops9]

I ended up buying that powder from www.bulknutrition.com earlier today. It should get here in a few days. I'll let you know what I think.

John

[WideAwake]

I've used most online supp stores around...bulk nutrition is by far and away the best I think in price and customer support and turn around.

Those guys are fantastic.

[9cyclops9]

I'm not disappointed. I got mine in today after ordering on Friday. I took a dose (1.5 grams or 1/2 teaspoon) dissolved in some water and I did notice a metallic taste in my mouth afterward. I think I'm going to take grams per day and it should last me a little over a month and a half. So I'm paying about $14 per month for 6 grams per day when I was paying $21 per month for 2.5 grams per day of the pills.

Does anyone know how I should split the doses up? Like should I take 2 doses three times a day or take it all at once? I know I'm supposed to take it on an empty stomach, but I don't know when and how to break it up.

John

[WideAwake]

Does anyone know how I should split the doses up? Like should I take 2 doses three times a day or take it all at once? I know I'm supposed to take it on an empty stomach, but I don't know when and how to break it up.


Twice a day would be great, three if you can make that work.

All at once and a lot of it is just going to get flushed through you system.

[9cyclops9]

Sweet...I was thinking along those lines. I can definitely do 3 most days. One about an hour before lunch, one an hour before dinner, and one right before bed. Thanks man.

John

[shonen]

9cyclops9, I read on bodybuilding.com that mixing the L-Arginine powder with orange juice or soda totally kills the taste for it, give it a try.

[9cyclops9]

Oh yeah I think I had read that somewhere too. Thanks for reminding me. Will do.

[Dario]

For those interested in Arginine supps, I thought I'd let you know of a new product out there. The supplement manufacturer Syntrax (whom I have great respect for) has a new product out called Nitrous. It is a NO product that has Arginine as well as a few other ingredients. Claims to be more advanced and more benificial than traditional Arginine. I've got a tub of it coming in the mail - should be here in a few days.

[WideAwake]

For those interested in Arginine supps, I thought I'd let you know of a new product out there. The supplement manufacturer Syntrax (whom I have great respect for) has a new product out called Nitrous. It is a NO product that has Arginine as well as a few other ingredients. Claims to be more advanced and more benificial than traditional Arginine. I've got a tub of it coming in the mail - should be here in a few days.


I'll probably be trying this out. I've had nothing but great experiences with all the other Syntrax products. They are certainly one of the best supp companies around.

[Godsize]

Take 20-25 GRAMS (not milligrams) of Arginine to enjoy a super rock hard erection that last for hours even after cumming! Don't be scared, it won't kill you. Maybe your girlfriend, yeah, but you...no.

[Dario]

Take 20-25 GRAMS (not milligrams) of Arginine to enjoy a super rock hard erection that last for hours even after cumming! Don't be scared, it won't kill you. Maybe your girlfriend, yeah, but you...no.
While true - this is hard to do. Either taking a whole bottle of capsules or like 20 tablespoons of powder. It happens though.

[xtremegamer]

Take 20-25 GRAMS (not milligrams) of Arginine to enjoy a super rock hard erection that last for hours even after cumming! Don't be scared, it won't kill you. Maybe your girlfriend, yeah, but you...no.

Are you for real?

[xtremegamer]

I am currently taking Arginine, Creatine, and Glutamine for bodybuilding, could these be benefitial to PE??

[9cyclops9]

Oh man I don't think I could take 20 grams of arginine at once. 3 grams mixed in water 3 times a day is hard enough for me to choke down. That stuff tastes awful.

[GLADIATOR2]

so 3 grams a day will not acheive an errection?

[Bigd5903]

I am currently taking Arginine, Creatine, and Glutamine for bodybuilding, could these be benefitial to PE??
I think glutamine has a purpose for everyhtign in your body. I take it too. I'm not too sure about creatine. I don't take it because I don't respond to it.

[9cyclops9]

so 3 grams a day will not acheive an errection?

It isn't Viagra man. It doesn't make it earier to have an erection. It makes the erections harder though, and makes you cum more. I'd say 3 grams per day is the minumum if you want to see stuff happen.

[GLADIATOR2]

ok so i should see more happen if i take 6-10 grams aday of l-arginine?

[9cyclops9]

Yes. That's a good dosage IMO. I take about 9 grams per day.

[Geschenke-33]

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[doublelongdaddy]

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Welcome!

[tyandhisrod]

Yeah.....FDA recommends not taking more than 9 grams per day,

so I would say taking 20-25 grams at a time could be dangerous...

I'm interested to hear other people's results,

I am currently taking 2 x 500 mg capsules 4 times a day, for a total of 4 grams daily.

I'll keep everyone posted.

[REDZULU2003]

Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate or AAKG is more potent than regular L-Arginine. We got a thread going here (http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?27649-Harder-erections-..-try-this!!!).

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