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ithiel
05-19-09, 02:19 PM
Aight, Ima be round the clamping sub-forum now, trying to get my girth up. I'm no newbie to clamping, so heres a routine I will be experimenting with for the next 4 weeks. We'll see if a constant state of engorgement produces adequate gains.

Morning:

Double Clamping - 1 , 15 minute set


Afternoon:

Horse Squeezes - 30 sec. squeezes for 25 min.


Night:

Horse Squeezes - 30 sec. squeezes for 45 min.

* I will stay clamped in between exercises and all day and night only taking off the clamp when I piss or get freak nasty. By the end of the 1st week, I will have implemented the whole routine.

DO NOT TRY THIS WITH ME.

ithiel
05-19-09, 02:28 PM
Ill be updating here as much as I can bout what the deal is.

REDZULU2003
05-19-09, 04:01 PM
Nice intense routine bro. Gains will come with this for sure, the horse squeeze is a GEM for it and you have the bases covered.

BANANAxBOY
05-19-09, 04:12 PM
I'm very interested to see how this turns out! It is really good to see guys like you putting in so much dedication. Very inspiring!

NooBpooB
05-20-09, 09:33 AM
hey dude, you could take some pictures before u start and after... would be nice. Good luck and donīt let ur cock die ;)

ithiel
05-20-09, 12:34 PM
felt soreness while doing horse squeezes today. Clamp is back on! Feels great tho, I have a constant pump.

ithiel
05-20-09, 12:41 PM
when I re-clamp I always try to get some type of erection going. Usually 30-40%. I clamp down all the way, all clicks. I find that any less, I dont see any engorement aka pump. With it being impossibe to stimulate the dick at times, its necessary to clamp as much as possible.

ithiel
05-21-09, 01:04 AM
I'm ditchin the ulis, dont like em. Ima add xtra horse squeezes instead. Matter fact, Ill re-write the routine once I get some rythm going with it. I'm def keeping the 24/7 clamping tho, its fuckin amazin! No problems whatsoever right now. Erections I think are actually better! Thats one thing I thought would be the opposite. I'm going to sleep with the clamp on, no doubt. Probly will clamp a click looser, and hope I'll wake up during the night.

ithiel
05-21-09, 04:07 PM
Slept with the clamp on last night, I think I woke up sometime early morning or so and had an erection. Dick felt numb and sorta cold. Also felt very pumped. Dont know how it looked since I just felt under the covers and went back to snoozin :cool:

Tonight ima not clamp down so many clicks. This might take a few tries to get down on pat. Erections i guess come and go at sleep.

jiminy465
05-21-09, 07:51 PM
Man you have got some ballls sleeping with a clamp on, you gonna keep doing it?

jjeramia
05-22-09, 05:24 AM
Slept with the clamp on last night, I think I woke up sometime early morning or so and had an erection. Dick felt numb and sorta cold. Also felt very pumped. Dont know how it looked since I just felt under the covers and went back to snoozin :cool:

Tonight ima not clamp down so many clicks. This might take a few tries to get down on pat. Erections i guess come and go at sleep.

I wrote about this a while back check it out
http://mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49888
hope it helps

ithiel
05-22-09, 11:42 AM
I wrote about this a while back check it out
http://mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49888
hope it helps

ill give it a read good lookin

ithiel
05-22-09, 11:44 AM
for whatever reason, I'm just not getting a good pump lately. First day it was amazin, seems like the effects have diminished. Aint changed nothing, just been adding more time with the horse squeezes.

jiminy465
05-23-09, 03:20 AM
Dunno if it would work for you but have you tried having a day off?

ithiel
05-25-09, 02:53 PM
Dunno if it would work for you but have you tried having a day off?

naw, no days off for me, at least not in this experiment. I mean on the weekends especially this one, the only thing im doing is leavin the clamp on. Aint got the time to do other shit.

MAXAMEYES
05-25-09, 04:39 PM
Maybe your body's adapting...bodies'll do that...sometimes just to piss ya off.

REDZULU2003
05-26-09, 03:58 PM
You mention time has increased on the horses which means more work is being done, so bare it in mind as more is not always at all better. Make your sessions very intense but I would not keep adding to them otherwise you'll overtrain unless rest is taken. Sounds like your doing well and I like the ADC/ANC idea, how do you wear the thing? by this, around the whole package such as the balls too or just penis?

ithiel
05-26-09, 11:10 PM
Maybe your body's adapting...bodies'll do that...sometimes just to piss ya off.

thats exactly what i think.

ithiel
05-26-09, 11:11 PM
You mention time has increased on the horses which means more work is being done, so bare it in mind as more is not always at all better. Make your sessions very intense but I would not keep adding to them otherwise you'll overtrain unless rest is taken. Sounds like your doing well and I like the ADC/ANC idea, how do you wear the thing? by this, around the whole package such as the balls too or just penis?

just the penis.

ithiel
05-26-09, 11:17 PM
MUst mention, I'm still seeing a good pump, maybe better lately. Erections are still swole as shit when I get in the mood. Flaccid is heavier longer fuller. THat is, important to mention as temporary gains. Erect does def. look thicker too. I don't know about length.

In total average I'd say I'm unclamped about 2 hours per 24 hours. That's a best guess. I gotta say this is so far the best girth routine I've done and will most liekly continue after 4 weeks.

jiminy465
05-27-09, 03:21 AM
Sounds good man, hopefully some gains!

ithiel
05-29-09, 01:40 PM
fuck that tunica! I'm keepin it on swole! No rest!

So far so good. I'm Over a week in. I had sex last night and was unclamped for like 3 hours. During that time looking at my dick, I aint really seen no changes in girth. But I w3asnt concentrating on that either ;)

doublelongdaddy
05-29-09, 01:46 PM
fuck that tunica! I'm keepin it on swole! No rest!

So far so good. I'm Over a week in. I had sex last night and was unclamped for like 3 hours. During that time looking at my dick, I aint really seen no changes in girth. But I w3asnt concentrating on that either ;)


This sounds solid just be careful with the night time shit.

ithiel
05-30-09, 01:12 AM
yooooooooo I'm high as shiit! right now. No relevance to thee routine :O

ithiel
06-03-09, 12:06 AM
half way in, half to go!

ithiel
06-05-09, 01:45 PM
I got minor skin soreness in the area where I clamp down. By the way, this routine is safe.

ithiel
06-08-09, 12:46 AM
Amount of wrap is key here. Aint never put no thought into it until recently. I started to wrap a little thicker and that helps with a better pump. Wrapping too heavy and going too tight along with it aint real cool. Fluid buildup aint cool.

doublelongdaddy
06-08-09, 03:52 PM
Amount of wrap is key here. Aint never put no thought into it until recently. I started to wrap a little thicker and that helps with a better pump. Wrapping too heavy and going too tight along with it aint real cool. Fluid buildup aint cool.

It's all in the rap:)

homelesswombat
06-09-09, 01:20 PM
I had sex last night and was unclamped for like 3 hours.

You should try sex clamped, it's amazing. It would go with your ADC routine and is super pleasureful for everyone involved rofl

When do you plan on measuring?

ithiel
06-09-09, 09:56 PM
You should try sex clamped, it's amazing. It would go with your ADC routine and is super pleasureful for everyone involved rofl

When do you plan on measuring?

Don't know, Id feel weird about it in front of a chick. Im measuring in 1 week.

ithiel
06-12-09, 12:03 AM
I'm fuckin dying to measure. Really curious to see if I gained/not gained/howmuch. Lately I got fluid buildup mid shaft at the top. The cure: a session of horse squeezes, that shit helps usually.

Don't know tho, coming in down the stretch, I really dont see a visible girth increase. I still remember my 1st day of this routine. Holy shit! I wish I had that type of expansion increase. I'll see tho, if I gain or not and then make some moves on the routine.

penisbuilder
06-12-09, 02:02 AM
What is your current size now,E?And have you done any pumping?Later.

REDZULU2003
06-12-09, 09:08 AM
I hope you have gained, certainly put the time in bro

ithiel
06-16-09, 10:34 PM
yes sir, the night has come to measure! I gotta roast this blunt 1st... :)rofl

ithiel
06-18-09, 12:53 AM
Ha, couldnt do it last night, but just did. Ok, lemme just say straight up, I was consistent with this routine. Must have missed a day MAX. From Monday night, up until now, I stopped the routine just to see permanent changes if they came. I only got a minute again, so I just measured real quick, not having my best erections.

Length: no change.
Girth: MAYBE a mm or 2.
Flaccid: no increase

These measurements that I just took are fairly accurate. I will measure again, just to make sure but I might not be able to post them tonight.

c.phantasy
06-18-09, 08:50 AM
Bro,how is the EQ going?
I belive you need to rest for a while to bring the EQ -> 10. I would prefer you abstained from Ejaculation 7 days,and on the last day when your supposed to ejaculate take measurements.

Im sure you will have gained more than just 2 mm EG.

"Trust me"-Arnold Schwarzenegger rofl

ithiel
06-19-09, 12:23 AM
Gave one more measuring go and like I said mm type increase. Anywhere from 1-3 mm. No more time to full around, I'm already hittin back up the routine. I'm giving it a few tweaks here and there, it'll have more clamping in there. Post it another time. Ok, here go for another 4 weeks...

ithiel
06-21-09, 10:08 PM
I been doing this new routine, which ima post soon. It's a lot lighter just cuz I aint got much time right now in the day. But its good! I think i'll gain.

ithiel
06-22-09, 07:50 PM
Either Morning or Early Afternoon:

10-15 Minute Standard Clamping

Night:

20 Minute Horse Squeezes
followed immediately by
10 Minute Double Clamping

* I'm clamped all day/night *

So there ya see, its basically toned down version of what Iwas doing before. At the current time I aint got too much time on my hands so I'm rollin with what I got. I think I already gained, I feel like I did. My erections is top-notch and I feel thicker. ONLY TIME WILL TELL. I aint getting my hopes up. Who knows maybe this less intensity doing the trick.

ithiel
06-22-09, 07:55 PM
Another thing I wanna mention, my night bout my night session. I like the superset type thing I'm doing. THe 20 minutes of intense horse squeezes gets the dick expanded a good bit and then with the double clamping, it really gets expanded even more. I feel real satisfied from that workout.

And I was going to add more variety with different exercises and shit but just didn't have the time to come up with a routine.

kiplynx
06-23-09, 09:02 AM
Just a question e, when you're blazed do you feel like you get much bigger expansion? I feel like I do, last night it seemed more engorged than ever.

doublelongdaddy
06-23-09, 02:52 PM
Any permanent gains yet Ith?

fedora
06-23-09, 06:05 PM
This is amazing dedication, heart and focus. A true inspiration, just as you hanging experiment was.

ithiel
06-23-09, 11:41 PM
Just a question e, when you're blazed do you feel like you get much bigger expansion? I feel like I do, last night it seemed more engorged than ever.

no doubt. Weed always gives me better erections. Then when do a routine for girth that translates into even more blood forced into the penis.

keep smokin homie... :)

ithiel
06-23-09, 11:43 PM
Any permanent gains yet Ith?

umm, so far i'd say a few mm's. But it's comin along, I think I'll gain more in the coming.

ithiel
06-23-09, 11:45 PM
This is amazing dedication, heart and focus. A true inspiration, just as you hanging experiment was.

appreciate it. O yea, I do remember you fedora. I was sayin a little back that a lot of the cool cats aint posting no more. You one of them!

ithiel
06-24-09, 12:05 AM
Something I wanted to mention. The past few days when I get erections, I get like a muthafuckn madman! I swear for some reason I'm feeling horny as shit when I'm doing the night routine. Def. more then usual.

ithiel
06-29-09, 09:46 PM
I use to watch porn to stimulate myself when doing girth. Not no more. I know its got something to do with the experiment I been doing. I changed nothing in what I do in life, no diets, etc.

ithiel
07-08-09, 01:15 AM
I will measure next Tues. Damn! By then it will be 8 consecutive weeks of constant clamp. Literally! Man, Im pretty sure that there wasn't a day that I missed of keepin the clamp on. I did miss routine days here and there but very little.

I cant tell if I gained from this 4 weeks. I plan on doing another cycle of clamping shit but dont know what yet. Ill decide after I measure. Could be ligther. I do really wanna go all out, like Im talking some SERIOUS girth expansion time with exercises but during those next 4 weeks, aint no way Ima have the time. MAybe later.

c.phantasy
07-09-09, 01:11 PM
I will measure next Tues. Damn! By then it will be 8 consecutive weeks of constant clamp. Literally! Man, Im pretty sure that there wasn't a day that I missed of keepin the clamp on. I did miss routine days here and there but very little.

I cant tell if I gained from this 4 weeks. I plan on doing another cycle of clamping shit but dont know what yet. Ill decide after I measure. Could be ligther. I do really wanna go all out, like Im talking some SERIOUS girth expansion time with exercises but during those next 4 weeks, aint no way Ima have the time. MAybe later.
Ithiel, before you measure,be sure to let your unit rest a few days.

The tissue does not grow in the gym,it grows outside the gym ;)

ithiel
07-11-09, 08:45 AM
Ithiel, before you measure,be sure to let your unit rest a few days.

The tissue does not grow in the gym,it grows outside the gym ;)

yea you right, sound advice. Ill probably take a day or two off. That way it be good to see if permanent gains came.

ithiel
07-14-09, 06:34 PM
Pissed. Absolutely no gains in any category. Obviously hehe, no girth gains. I'm taking the next couple of weeks or so off. I think that might be best for me right now, and just stick to a PC routine. I think Ill come back hittin the girth real hard, something ridiculously intense knowing that I will have the time for it in the coming future. When I say I will go "balls to the wall" I mean it, youll see the routine I'll be doing.

So for right now I am kinda frustrated. THe last 4 weeks my routine wasn't as solid and intense as the previous 4 but I still done shit! Ima step away, re-evaluate and come out with a hardcore ass clamping routine that will sure to get me gaining.

twins172_up
07-14-09, 10:57 PM
good luck to you e when you get back to it

fedora
07-15-09, 07:44 PM
You will come back stronger, and since you have an amazing dedication, the girth gains will come sooner or later. You are a true PE hero!

ithiel
07-16-09, 03:52 PM
Thanks for the praise.

So I really decided that I can't stay away, the past few days seems like my erections subsided and my girth just aint there like it was. So for the next few couple weeks I will do a sort of maintenance routine that will keep some type of expansion and shit who knows, might get me some type of gains. Here's what I'll be doing:

1 set of 10 minute double clamping
immediately I remove 1 clamp and begin
1 set of 10 minute clamped bends

That;s it. To me, this is weak shit. Really, I shouldn't even mention this being part of the experiment but I thought I might as well just throw it out there. No ADC or ANC this time around.

I like to improvise with the clamped bends a bit so I kinda do it like a isolated compression squeeze where you move the blood around at one angle. That being: up, left, right, down. IF that shit makes any sense? Shout out to Girth Hammer for digging this exercise up, I forget about this shit.

ithiel
07-17-09, 02:58 AM
UPDATE:

I measured my BPER length and guess what? 3cm increase. Man, for some reason I just gain length with ease. Nothing in NBPER. Shit came out o nowhere...

homelesswombat
07-17-09, 05:54 AM
What is NBPER...? Do you mean NBPEL?

REDZULU2003
07-17-09, 07:03 AM
Thats what he'll mean, typo I would assume. Congrats on the gains Ithiel.

homelesswombat
07-18-09, 12:04 PM
Check this out:

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51409

Perhaps combine our two experiments/theories?

REDZULU2003
07-18-09, 01:31 PM
Check this out:

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51409

Perhaps combine our two experiments/theories?


:) Great stuff, I'll link it in my routines thread

Girth Hammer
07-18-09, 03:38 PM
ITHIEL, You think your sudden length gain came from clamped bends? I do all the time LOVE that expansion.

ithiel
07-21-09, 11:16 AM
[QUOTE=Girth Hammer;346064]ITHIEL, You think your sudden length gain came from clamped bends? I do all the time LOVE that expansion.[/QUOTE

Who knows. I didn't get in many sessions. I do see how clamped bends would give length gains. You can actually feel the tunica stretch, I especially feel it when bending upwards.

ithiel
07-28-09, 03:58 PM
It's been a shitty few weeks doing this routine. I just havent been consistent at all. Half the time, I wasnt doing it. I got like a couple weeks left and ima be sure to be consistent in the closing stretch.

I can def. tell tho, when not doing girth work my erections aint as good. I got something real big coming up in the next run, so be ready!

ithiel
07-29-09, 04:37 PM
Like I said I been inconsistent but pickin up the slack these last few days. I'm more horny and getting good erections. So thats what I noticed. When I do girth work, I get bomb ass erections and feel the need to tap some ass! When not doing it, I feel the opposite come on.

ithiel
08-05-09, 10:24 PM
Done this phase. I havent measured yet tho but will real soon.

So continuing with the clamping experiment, I got something new for the next 4 weeks and most likely longer after that. What I'm doing is taking the hangin approach with this. I will focus on maximum expansion time, fatigue, and try to keep good intensity.

So I can't really write down a "set" routine I'll be doing but ima put down what I be doing:

I will DOUBLE CLAMP (intensity) for many sets a day as much as I can (expansion time). Obviously I will be lookin for some type of fatigue to hit me when doing this.

Now I cant say how much and for how long Ill be doing this each day, but it will be increasingly a lot. I will log in the times as much as I can, probly on a daily basis.

And tonight, I did 1 25 minute set... and the shit continues... :)

homelesswombat
08-06-09, 03:21 AM
Are you edging/stimulating yourself when you are clamped? I was never clear on that.

I'm eager to hear your measurement/gains report!

Girth Hammer
08-06-09, 12:36 PM
Hey E, I read threads by you and SWM alot. It seems that you 2 think "more is better" and daily work and save the light shit for the newbies mindset. I love doing long sessions but when I say stuff like "3-4 hour girth session" the guys here hate it. When I try these I never have negative PI's and I think this is way to grow. What do you think?

ithiel
08-06-09, 10:50 PM
Are you edging/stimulating yourself when you are clamped? I was never clear on that.

I'm eager to hear your measurement/gains report!

not edging but I'm keeping a good erection.

ithiel
08-06-09, 10:52 PM
Hey E, I read threads by you and SWM alot. It seems that you 2 think "more is better" and daily work and save the light shit for the newbies mindset. I love doing long sessions but when I say stuff like "3-4 hour girth session" the guys here hate it. When I try these I never have negative PI's and I think this is way to grow. What do you think?

damn right! I don't know why people think the penis needs rest. It aint no muscle. The penis can take heavy ass work. It's like saying your heart needs a rest from time to time.

ithiel
08-06-09, 10:53 PM
I aint realize that I still have 1 more week (little less now) to go with the previous routine. Totally forgot. So now you know the routine ill be doing NEXT WEEK, and measuring next week to see if/what I gained from this routine which you can find somewhere here.

ithiel
08-09-09, 10:10 PM
I just jumped into this new routine today. The other shit, I don't feel like I was gaining. I did a quick measure today and I was right. Shit was way too light for me I think. So now Im getting a few extra days start on this new shit.

I did like 3-4 sets today.

Girth Hammer
08-10-09, 05:14 PM
Whats your new routine looking like?

ithiel
08-10-09, 09:22 PM
Whats your new routine looking like?

It's on this page, a few posts up. Basically what Im doing is double clamping as much as I can during the day.

ithiel
08-10-09, 09:58 PM
Sets vary now from 10-30 min., I like to switch shit up. I did quite a handful of sets today. Anywhere from 4-6. And rememeber, this just the beginning. :)

ithiel
08-12-09, 11:57 PM
Gettin in no more then 1 hour of clamping time daily for the past few days.

ithiel
08-13-09, 11:34 PM
Done like 45 minutes total today. I might be onto somethin here, I really feel like my dick is growing. I notice larger increases in total volume when clamping.

ithiel
08-17-09, 09:51 PM
I probably mentioned that during the previous phases I wouldnt be doing the weekends. During this phase, I will. Haven't missed a day yet and I intend on keepin it that way. No matter what going on I will do at least a couple sets. But still on most days I'm going strong. Less then a hour but Ill bump it up.

ithiel
08-19-09, 01:06 AM
I think I find the sweet spot with this shit. Too early to tell but this is the routine for me. Believe me.

goldmember
08-19-09, 10:44 PM
I could stare at your avatar all damn day

Douglas Hamlin
08-25-09, 02:04 AM
damn right! I don't know why people think the penis needs rest. It aint no muscle. The penis can take heavy ass work. It's like saying your heart needs a rest from time to time.

Sorry to object, but I need to clarify a point here...

I work as a personal trainer. I have studied anatomy, biology, physiology, and chemistry. I think its safe to say that I know a little bit about the ins and outs of the human body...

Now... Is the penis striated muscle (skeletal muscle)? No. Which means the tissues that make up the chambers of the penis have no voluntary contractile capabilities (but the PC muscle is, which can help shunt blood into the arteries of the penis). The tissues of the penis are smooth muscle. And any type of muscle tissue can grow once it has been stressed and allowed a recovery, albeit everyone has their specific needs. All types of muscle tissue need periods of lowered intensity/rest to enable positive adaptation (tissue growth, increased cardiac output/strong, lower resting Heart Rate). Likewise, the heart... if you continuously train it intensely without rest, a heart attack would ensue - possible from neuro-muscular failure.

Maybe you should try to take a day off every few days of intense training. In most regards, If you over-train/over-stress the body, it will cease to grow. Several theories exist for this phenomenon... some of these theories indicate a predominance of catabolic hormones that impede protein synthesis (tissue growth).

Just some thoughts...

ithiel
08-25-09, 02:46 PM
Sorry to object, but I need to clarify a point here...

I work as a personal trainer. I have studied anatomy, biology, physiology, and chemistry. I think its safe to say that I know a little bit about the ins and outs of the human body...

Now... Is the penis striated muscle (skeletal muscle)? No. Which means the tissues that make up the chambers of the penis have no voluntary contractile capabilities (but the PC muscle is, which can help shunt blood into the arteries of the penis). The tissues of the penis are smooth muscle. And any type of muscle tissue can grow once it has been stressed and allowed a recovery, albeit everyone has their specific needs. All types of muscle tissue need periods of lowered intensity/rest to enable positive adaptation (tissue growth, increased cardiac output/strong, lower resting Heart Rate). Likewise, the heart... if you continuously train it intensely without rest, a heart attack would ensue - possible from neuro-muscular failure.

Maybe you should try to take a day off every few days of intense training. In most regards, If you over-train/over-stress the body, it will cease to grow. Several theories exist for this phenomenon... some of these theories indicate a predominance of catabolic hormones that impede protein synthesis (tissue growth).

Just some thoughts...

You do got a point, and maybe it some case you right. But this is after all a experiment. So as you can see, if you been following my routine changes in this experiment I am experimenting with all different kinds of clamping methods. This time around it's a 7 day a week thing.

Douglas Hamlin
08-25-09, 02:56 PM
You do got a point, and maybe it some case you right. But this is after all a experiment. So as you can see, if you been following my routine changes in this experiment I am experimenting with all different kinds of clamping methods. This time around it's a 7 day a week thing.

For sure. I do understand the nature of your experiments... and I do believe that the frequency/intensity that you have implemented in the past should work (for fuck sake, why not!? lol). And from what I have observe from your feedback is that - for the most part - the intensity remains constant, and the frequencies (how many times/day your train) and durations (the length of each session) are the variables that continue to change from one experiment to the next. What also remains constant is daily activity - no rest.

I truly wish you the best of luck - we could all benefit from your experiments/experiences. But if each new experiment continues to produce little to no gains, try going back to one of them that you like and add a day of rest every 2-3 workouts. See if that works.

:)

Douglas Hamlin
08-25-09, 03:03 PM
You do got a point, and maybe it some case you right. But this is after all a experiment. So as you can see, if you been following my routine changes in this experiment I am experimenting with all different kinds of clamping methods. This time around it's a 7 day a week thing.

For sure. I do understand the nature of your experiments... and I do believe that the frequency/intensity that you have implemented in the past should work (for fuck sake, why not!? lol). And from what I have observe from your feedback is that - for the most part - the intensity remains constant, and the frequencies (how many times/day your train) and durations (the length of each session) are the variables that continue to change from one experiment to the next. What also remains constant is daily activity - no rest.

I truly wish you the best of luck - we could all benefit from your experiments/experiences. But if each new experiment continues to produce little to no gains, try going back to one of them that you like and add a day of rest every 2-3 workouts. See if that works.

:)

Douglas Hamlin
08-25-09, 03:23 PM
You do got a point, and maybe it some case you right. But this is after all a experiment. So as you can see, if you been following my routine changes in this experiment I am experimenting with all different kinds of clamping methods. This time around it's a 7 day a week thing.

For sure. I do understand the nature of your experiments... and I do believe that the frequency/intensity that you have implemented in the past should work (for fuck sake, why not!? lol). And from what I have observe from your feedback is that - for the most part - the intensity remains constant, and the frequencies (how many times/day your train) and durations (the length of each session) are the variables that continue to change from one experiment to the next. What also remains constant is daily activity - no rest.

I truly wish you the best of luck - we could all benefit from your experiments/experiences. But if each new experiment continues to produce little to no gains, try going back to one of them that you like and add a day of rest every 2-3 workouts. See if that works.

:)

ithiel
08-27-09, 12:20 AM
For sure. I do understand the nature of your experiments... and I do believe that the frequency/intensity that you have implemented in the past should work (for fuck sake, why not!? lol). And from what I have observe from your feedback is that - for the most part - the intensity remains constant, and the frequencies (how many times/day your train) and durations (the length of each session) are the variables that continue to change from one experiment to the next. What also remains constant is daily activity - no rest.

I truly wish you the best of luck - we could all benefit from your experiments/experiences. But if each new experiment continues to produce little to no gains, try going back to one of them that you like and add a day of rest every 2-3 workouts. See if that works.

:)

Yeah apart from this cycle (previous 2 weeks, next 2 weeks), I been taking off the weekends that is. Mostly because of time. When I was doin the 24/7 clamping that was weekends. This phase theres no days off, so like I think I mentioned I do at least SOMETHING on the most hectic day. Which may be a set or two. I'm averaging about 30-45 minutes of clamping per day so far. Ima try and bump that up a bit in these last couple of weeks but its hard, I'm tryin to do other shit in my life.

But yea, I havent gained shit really thru this whole experiment so far. It's been a good bit too. So you could be right about the whole rest idea. I always had success with "the more you do for length, the more you gain" and I still believe that. Girth is different. Girth is weird.

I been seeing sort of a pattern tho. Seems to me like whenever I begin a new phase, or whatever you wanna call it, I get great temporary gains and pumps but it eventually diminishes. So on that note, this is something that I can take away from this, and work with that. Well see what I gain in a couple of weeks. But at this point, I don't think it will be anything sad to say. The longer it drags, the less expansion I'm seeing.

Douglas Hamlin
08-27-09, 12:46 AM
Yeah apart from this cycle (previous 2 weeks, next 2 weeks), I been taking off the weekends that is. Mostly because of time. When I was doin the 24/7 clamping that was weekends. This phase theres no days off, so like I think I mentioned I do at least SOMETHING on the most hectic day. Which may be a set or two. I'm averaging about 30-45 minutes of clamping per day so far. Ima try and bump that up a bit in these last couple of weeks but its hard, I'm tryin to do other shit in my life.

But yea, I havent gained shit really thru this whole experiment so far. It's been a good bit too. So you could be right about the whole rest idea. I always had success with "the more you do for length, the more you gain" and I still believe that. Girth is different. Girth is weird.

I been seeing sort of a pattern tho. Seems to me like whenever I begin a new phase, or whatever you wanna call it, I get great temporary gains and pumps but it eventually diminishes. So on that note, this is something that I can take away from this, and work with that. Well see what I gain in a couple of weeks. But at this point, I don't think it will be anything sad to say. The longer it drags, the less expansion I'm seeing.

When you say that you get "great temporary gains and pumps", is it just fluid build up? Or are you actually experiencing larger flaccids/erections?

When I first started experimenting with clamping exercises (cable clamp + jelq/horse squeeze/edging), I instantly gained 1/16 - 1/8". I was stoked, but then after a programmed rest (4 days off), I realized that the larger flaccids/erections were just retained fluid build-up. After the break, I lost most of the girth that I had gained (possibly yielding a net gain of 1/32" - but really, thats kinda splitting hairs IMHO).

So... I decided to try something new. Now, instead of 3 x 10 minute sets, I am experimenting with 4 x 8 minute sets. Logically, this method actually equates to a greater workout because I am experiencing tension for 32 minutes vs. 30 minutes. The shorter sets ensure less fluid build up, which is also effected by the fact that I am NOT jelqing/horse squeezing at 100% (still edge at 100% - which is necessary). Now I clamp + Jelq and clamp + horse squeeze with a 80-95% erection.

Thus far, I have experienced little to no fluid build up within the workout, and no fluid retention post exercise. It is still too early to conclude (1st week), yet I am experiencing 1/16-1/8 prolonged expansion during erections. With any luck, my gains will progress.

ithiel
09-13-09, 09:53 PM
No gains on this last phase. I'm puttin a close on the experiment. I aint frustrated, I'm glad because one can never not benefit from this. This was a good run. No gains but it was experimental, the whole point. Would have been nice to see gains but thats cool.

I'm actually still workin on girth but doing other shit, so I'm not putting anything into this experiment. In closing, Ive learned and one can't get enough of that!