Does the World Deserve to Know about Penis Enlargement?

[doublelongdaddy]

Do you think Penis Enlargement should be available and accessible to everyone or do you think it should be kept in secret among the select few that know about it? If you fear it being public knowledge explain why. I will reserve my thoughts until I hear some of yours.

[slayman]

keep it private!!!!! supply and demand. i want to be above average so im more of a catch to women. i would be more desireable. if everyone PEed, the average would be like 8 inches. i think you catch my drift.

[oopapercutoo]

I believe that PE should be kept under wraps as much as possible. Think about it, why do we all get into PE in the first place? Because we don't want to be average (or for some of us, below average). If the more people found out about PE then they would become larger, and then the "average size" would become larger thus making all of us no longer "big."

[Questor]

The fact is that most of the general public is lazy. Even if everyone knew about PE they would probably not bother with it once they figured out it isn't a magic pill.

Let's see maybe it will look something like this....
100% of men in the world know.
80% actually look into it.
60% Think it is hogwash.
40% ACtually start until they figure out it is work.
5% Keep doing it after a few months.
1% Says wow this is great I am actually gaining.

Lol. That means that the people who persist will be the ones that are the largest!

Oooh, I forgot. Maybe the 40% join MOS and DLD gets his mad rewards. :)

[penguinsfan]

Private. The whole point, in my mind, is attempting to either become a superior man, or make-up for where Mother Nature cheated you a little. There would be no benefit in these areas, for a guy like myself, if every man was doing PE. Those few that were born with 9", which I would be thrilled to obtain through your methods, would get a 12" that I once again couldn't compete with. Plus, if everyman improved his penis health, sexual stamina, etc., the world might have enough of an increase is sexual activity that it would result in accelerating overpopulation. ;) Last, you deserve to make a buck from this. Those that are serious about PE should pay you for the incredible amount of work you've done here. I consider what I paid for MOS access to be a good investment that I have yet to regret, and I haven't touched the surface of the methods you teach.

All things considered, keep it within our little community.

[Long Worm]

I would say keep it private. Questor you are right, I post on Bodybuilding.com and their is a sex forum, and someone posted about Penis Enlargement, and someone posted a link to Cheeky Cherry and Thunders. But people still didn't believe it and loads were saying that Jelqing doesn't work because your penis isn't a muscle and that you will lose erections. They also said stretching will damage the ligaments permantly, I did want to post and tell them how wrong they all were but then I realised I was the lucky one to actually know that this works and that their are no side effects like that.

[stillwantmore]

Originally posted by Questor
The fact is that most of the general public is lazy. Even if everyone knew about PE they would probably not bother with it once they figured out it isn't a magic pill.

Let's see maybe it will look something like this....
100% of men in the world know.
80% actually look into it.
60% Think it is hogwash.
40% ACtually start until they figure out it is work.
5% Keep doing it after a few months.
1% Says wow this is great I am actually gaining.

Lol. That means that the people who persist will be the ones that are the largest!

Oooh, I forgot. Maybe the 40% join MOS and DLD gets his mad rewards. :)

This guy has hit it dead on or, damn close to it. People are lazy by nature. Especially the male species ;) Anyone here ever been to a Network Marketing Pep Rally?? I've been to a few (then I saw the light thankfully!) and, it's amazing....you can get a crowd of 50,000 people all excited and hyped up about all the money they can make if they 'just' go and "recruit an army" of people to "join their business" and such. Everyone is excited...theyre all making "life changing decisions" ....they're all telling their upline about how theyre getting right to work on "building their business" when they leave and, go home. 24-72 hours later.....99.99999% of them have done nothing. 50,000 people who were so excited about becoming wealthy....and, maybe 5 of them actually got busy doing anything. It's just human nature. Real motivation comes from within. PE IS already public knowledge. Tons of infomercials for pills, radio ads for pills, spam emails (my mom loves hearing how she can add 3 or 4 inches to her penis)...every adult site you 'stumble' across has penis enlargement site links....how much more public could you get? Besides the President getting on the air and saying "My fellow Americans....Penis Enlargement works! I do it myself, and the first lady has never been happier!" I've said this and so have many others....it's like exercising. Any of you remember the "Health Craze" of the 1980s'??? Everyone was excited about getting healthy. People were exercising like never before nationwide....shoe manufacturers were coming out with new, innovatave running shoe designs...hell, there were even TV show series totally about exercise (Fame)! Guess what? A decade later we're still the most obese nation on the planet per capita. Even if PE were somehow made easy one day....to the point where all you really had to do was swallow some magic beans....there would still be those men...great numbers of them...who wouldnt do it. Not the ones who were truly satisfied with their sizes....they do really exist.....but, the ones who were frustrated and disgusted with having a small or average penis....hell, you could pour the pills in their mouth for them and theyd still spit the pills in your face and declare you crazy because their doctor said this stuff doesnt work. Anyway. My whole point before I got off on this wild rant was that, no matter how PE progresses...no matter how much it's advertised to work....it's WORK...thats the big secret of PE....W-O-R-K!! People hate doing anything even resembling work unless they HAVE TO DO IT to survive.

[yetogrow]

As one of my female friends said: "My husband prefers to buy me a new dress rather than try to last longer than 5 minutes in bad". I think it's a good motto .

I believe we are minority and it will stay that way.

Every men heard about the gym or jogging and.... most men look like shit.

I believe that any male INTERNET user at least once got a PE spam.

My vote is: keep it private (sorry less income for DLD ;) ).
Most of us put an effort to find this place and most men who want to have bigger dicks will find it anyway.:)

[stillwantmore]

Another thing that I've never understood thats closely tied to this type of debate....you wouldnt believe how many times I've seen guys argue that PE should be "kept secret"...LOL. It's so funny, they act like PE never existed in other parts of the world before the internet...they must think Al Gore invented that too. But, I've never understood why so many of you seem so hung up on the whole "well if everybody knows about it...everyone 'might' start doing it". How many times do you have to hear it? No matter how public this stuff ever becomes...it's JUST LIKE EXERCISE....so few subscribe to the stuff. Sure thousands of men have paid for and continue to pay for enlargement paysite memberships....but, even so....so few of them actually do anything with the money theyve spent. I believe most of them "try" it for a little while...some of them quit...probably a high percentage....with no gains due to lack of effort and commitment rather than the exercises not working....some of them ...also a high percentage no doubt....hang around on the paysites' forum bragging about gains they never make...again because most likely, they never or very rarely do any exercises....I dont understand that crowd either....I mean who gets off on bragging about something they dont have? Then, you have the others ....the rest....who you see occasionally who not only give up after very little effort....BUT, they ALSO, have the nerve to come back around griping about how hard they tried, how dedicated they were...how they did every exercise to the T....and, still made no gains...and demanding a refund because they were scammed. It takes all types. I'm not worried nor have I EVER worried about what all the other guys are doing. I'm here for ME. Not to be bigger than Joe Smith because I heard he might have a bigger penis. Stop worrying about every one else and the about PE "becoming mainstream" as I've heard some other goofballs fretting about. It's never gonna happen. PEriod!

[Popp]

HELL NO!! Keep it private. I would not want all of the world's guys to have bigger penises. Then I would have to increase my goal to 13 inches, and I dont want to do that!

[brennaja]

Couldn't agree more on the idea of how it's like any exercise and most men are too lazy to do that. Hell, it's noon and I've only gotten out of bed once, to go get something to drink. How's that for laziness?

I do try to keep up with stretching exercises before bed every other night and all though, anyone who is too lazy to do a few mins of that deserves to be small.

I think the biggest fear here is that there will be a pill that actually works, and works almost instantly, with no other exercise. I'm talking 2-3 inches in a week. There are pills that will work over time with exercise, but it's this magic, instant pill that would be the death of NPE.

[b1nzen48]

I don't think that just because PE could become common knowledge that everyonne is going to jump into the same boat for a ride. Think about how valid the statements of Stillwantmore and Questor are. There is nothing closer to the truth about the attitude of the majority towards PE. I mean SHIT MAN!!, think about it... even here on this board or over at Thunders there isn't a week goes by when I come across threads from guys saying shit like "I need help to get motivated", or "I don't have the time for that kind of routine", or "It sounds great but I don't have the privacy". And let's read between the lines a bit here... "Ive tried PE off and on over the the last "however long" but I gave up because I wasn't getting any gains". How many of these guys have really committed themselves to a daily routine and how many apply the intensity required to make gains? How many are prepared to fuck around with different routines until they find one that works for them? PE is not some fly by night stroke your dick and it will get bigger bullshit, it's a way of life that you have to commit to- both body and soul, otherwise for the most part you just end up wasting your time, get frutrated, start thinking negatively about it and that it doesn't work and give it up. I think that this is especially true today with the society we live in, I mean when is the last time that you or someone you know didnt "want it yesterday"? People today run short on patience and perserverance. I think this accounts for a lot of problems in society today. I think that at least 8 times out of 10 that if people can't have it now then they'll pass it by. Think about it, take a pill and your dick will grow, no exercise,no pumps. This is pretty much what these pill manufacturers are stating. We all know its bullshit, but how many of you didn't stop at least for a moment and think how easy that would be? Hell, how many of you actually got sucked in? These companies are simply taking advantage of the way society thinks and these fuckers are making a killing doing it! Todays society simply put is I want it now, I want it the easy way, and I don't want to have to work for it. I really believe that for these reasons we can drop the insecurities, which is all crap anyway, about PE going mainstream and the "new" average being 8". You also have to think about the attitude some of us were raised with towards our penis. I and probably some others were told growing up that masturbation was wrong, if you play with it or stretch it you will hurt yourself for life or the classic which many still believe, you are born with what you have and that's all your going to get. So before you go and say we have to keep PE a secret I hope you consider what I have said.

[blackandwhite]

B1nzen48 and StillWant More are so dead on with their comments. Tell the whole planet about it, who gives a @#$#!! People will either laugh or try it for a week and then, have to say this, like 98% of the populace out there, will give up because it is not instant.

BTW, this applies to all areas of life. Why do people not achieve their goals, whatever they may be, financial, fitness, relationships, etc. They do not PERSIST. Plain and simple. It it was easy, all of us would be rich, have a huge shlong, be in the best relationship, etc. It takes WORK, and people are inherently lazy.

Myself, I have worked on and off for 6 months, mostly OFF. Despite the fact that I have no erect gains yet, I am definately hanging better and the morning "wood" is almost scary! I KNOW the erect gains will come, I just have to get serious now. These threads really help, because I realize that I am falling into the TRAP.

Keeping it secret LOL. These techniques have been around, in their most basic forms, for hundreds of years. What, men didn;t have dicks in the 15th century??? It is just that the Internet has made this all available.

Just my humble opinion,

Blackandwhite

[brennaja]

Originally posted by blackandwhite
Keeping it secret LOL. These techniques have been around, in their most basic forms, for hundreds of years. What, men didn;t have dicks in the 15th century??? It is just that the Internet has made this all available. Spread of info, dude. Most of us wouldnt ever bring the idea up with friends, it'd be kinda strange. The anonymous nature of the net makes it much easier for people to be open about it all.

[LIGHTNING]

Originally posted by stillwantmore
Tons of infomercials for pills, radio ads for pills, spam emails (my mom loves hearing how she can add 3 or 4 inches to her penis)...every adult site you 'stumble' across has penis enlargement site links....how much more public could you get? Besides the President getting on the air and saying "My fellow Americans....Penis Enlargement works! I do it myself, and the first lady has never been happier!"

LMFAO!!! StillWantMore U R 2 FUNNY!!!!
Good Idea about the President...I'm gonna put you down with the MoS Marketing Team:D

PS. I Think SexyJen is Working on the DLD Clit Blasters for the Ladies. So Pretty soon you will get that Spam too!!!

[rain]

PE is not a secret. There is enough Spam and ads on the Internet.

As far as telling the world, what does that mean?

DLD, are you considering doing an info-commercial?

I agree. Most guys will scoff, a few will try it, and even fewer will stay with a program long enough to see results.

When growing up, do you recall how many guys wanted to play guitar in a band? How many of those guys bought a guitar and amp? Then, how many of those learned more than a few notes? How many actually had enough commitment to stay with it, joined a band and played shows?

A man is penis is a touchy subject. At some-point, a major TV Network, then a governmental agency will challenge claims made by PE pill manufactures and pay sites.

Imagine, a Network putting it to a challenge, with an investigative report, using volunteers. A couple Networks have already done breast enlargement investigations, plus hair restoration.

It is likely, that there are MOS members willing to prove it.

I suspect for most, PE is a very private issue.

If someone wants to give his personal account, go for it.

Rain…

[stillwantmore]

Yep, guys who "try PE" dont get results. Guys who make comments like "man that sounds great, I just cant afford to pay for access to that site...I really want a BIB hanger, I just cant afford it" What the hell do you mean you cant afford it?? If you have any form of income comming in....you CAN afford whatever sort of PE help you want. The key is the WANT part of that last sentence. I've gone so far as to literally tell guys in the past in chat rooms....YES YOU CAN afford it. You just dont want it bad enough. If you truly want a bigger penis for example...$40, $50, $90, or $120 should not be an issue to you. If you cannot honestly scrape together $40 --$120 in a whole MONTH of your life, there's something seriously wrong with your financial situation...or your priorities are tied up somewhere else like Twinkies and, or Cigarettes. What all this really boils down to...why men do or dont buy into a program or a hanger or, commit to a routine..free or not....is DESIRE. If you want something badly enough, there's always a way to get it.

[blackandwhite]

StillWantMore,

Again, dead on with your comments. People in general, just do not WANT ANYTHING BAD ENOUGH. I'm building an Internet marketing business on the side, I will work on it late at night when I know full well I will be getting up early to go to my office first thing in the morning. WHY? Because I want it bad enough, to walk away from what I do right now and dictate my own life. I want it so it allow me to pursue my real passion which is to become a full time stocks/options trader.

All this is not to bore everyone with what is important to me, but to show that people will always make excuses not to really go for it. Tell the world about PE, SHOUT it from the rooftops, still will not make a difference.

Blackandwhite

[WaxN]

SWM,
I agree with what you've said, for the most part, but I think you take the point a little too far. You seem to think that only about 1% of men would really pursue PE long enough to make gains - I doubt it would be that few.
Yes, exercise does exist, there are many gyms, and most of the population is still overweight....but a fair number of guys are really built also. And most guys probably care more about their cock size than their bicep size....if you were to poll 10,000 men & ask them, "20-inch arms or 10-inch penis?" I bet most would take the latter - but few believe they can actually change their penis size.
If natural PE were laid out, in detail, for the general public, I believe a lot of guys would stick with it. Not 90%, not 70%, but a lot more than just 10%. And PE gains could be made with as little as a 30-minute session every other day, and about 10-15 minutes of stretching on the "off days" - if even all that time. A guy could make dick gains, if he trained with intensity, on as little as 2 hours per week. I think the biggest obstacle, as DLD has said, is faith. Many guys quit because they ultimately think it's too good to be true...they haven't seen gains yet, so they cease to believe, then they cease to train.
But if the medical community certified it, I bet at least 25% of men, if not more, would be busy building bigger weinies. And some of the fast gainers might add an inch or 2 in a matter of months. Suddenly, 8" might become a lot more common for women - to the point where some are actually expecting 8" - or they're disappointed.

[Questor]

If all the men knew that it worked most would try but never get anywhere with it.

Look at some of the dedication of people like SS4jelq, and YGuy. They did everything but saw no gains for a long time! And after 3-4 years they finally got gains. Who has that type of dedication? I say only about 1% of the population.

I am in this for me and my wife. I have always been self-conscious about it. My wife says I am fine. I think when she sees it at my goal of 8.5x6.5 she will be like wow, what did I ever do. :) Therefore I don't care who knows about PE, I have a goal and that is for me, my wife, and noone else.

People are lazy, to quote a great televangelist "Don't just sit there, do something." ;)

~Q

[sufring]

I think just about every guys knows about NPE. The weeding out part occurs when these guys realize this growth is not immediate--you have to WORK for it! I have been an on-and-off PEer for a LONG time, but this time I intend to stay on the routine. I figure, even if it takes me 1 year to reach 1/4", it's still worth it. I will end up feeling better about myself physically, and more importantly: MENTALLY!!

[ebon00]

On the one hand, PE isn't a secret. Like someone else said, the amount of spam and ridiculous pop-up ads on the subject (not counting those ever-present ads for pills) have made sure that a lot of people know about this. And, those of us "in the know" searched the web to come up with info. That's still available to anyone who wants to know about it. So, nothing needs to change, no big "PE is here" marketing. Those who want PE will find their way to it.

[teoman]

Why to keep it secret? Average dick size cannot easily increase by PE, because most of the men are too lazy to get results. Even if average would be 8'', you don't have to be 13'', cause it is useless unless you aim to be a record breaker. There is plenty of chicks there, enough for everyone, so why to compete so badly? My opinion is that it must be as common as possible. If it was kept strictly secret, then we wouldn't be here.

[WaxN]

Originally posted by Questor
If all the men knew that it worked most would try but never get anywhere with it.
Look at some of the dedication of people like SS4jelq, and YGuy. They did everything but saw no gains for a long time! And after 3-4 years they finally got gains. Who has that type of dedication? I say only about 1% of the population.
I am in this for me and my wife.

Questor, sure, SS4jelq & YGuy have amazing discipline & dedication; but to assume that everybody needs 3 years of training to see results is beyond me. I saw gains within my first month of training....like 0.5" girth! I broke an inch in length in under 7 months (& about 1" girth) - all erect measurements.
I also dispute your contention that "most men already know about PE" - no they don't.
I've attempted to casually broach the subject with men I know in different circles (work, neighbors, friends, etc.) - very casually, not to arouse suspicion, but they don't have a clue about NPE. Some will say, "Oh, those stupid pills - that has to be bullshit." Or, "I've heard of those dick pumps, I don't believe that shit or everybody would have a big dick." Etc., etc., etc.
Very few men - very few - know about jelqs, manual stretching, Ulis, etc. I'm telling you, most guys do NOT believe they can do anything about their dick size - or they'd be here.
If you added all the guys up at MOS forums, Thunder's, PE Forum, etc., what's the total membership??? 12-15,000 guys? There's about 130 million in U.S.A. alone - over 3 billion worldwide!
I contend that less than 1/100th of 1% of men worldwide truly are familiar with NPE (even that number would be 300,000 men - probably an overestimate).
If NPE were "proven effective" by the medical community, our "little circle" of maybe 20,000 guys would jump to hundreds of millions of guys - many of them PE'ing long enough to add an inch or 2 to their tools - especially since the art/science of PE would not doubt become more refined, specialized, etc.
Guaranteed.

[WaxN]

And consider this worst-case scenario. Only about 1/1,000 of 1% of the world's men are registered on these boards - if that many. We regard 2" per year as a great gain. What if it's not? We're basing this on such a small sampling of men - again, 1/1,000th of 1 percent.
What if there are guys out there who can gain 3-4" in 1 year, or even less time? We might suddenly find ourselves again on the outside looking in.
Do you want to hear women say, "Eight inches?" then pout, "My last 5 boyfriends all had at least ten." ???
Duh.
Again, I'm not saying that 80 or 90% of men will become jelqoholics, but don't kid yourselves - it won't be 2 or 3% either.

[WaxN]

Originally posted by WaxN
And consider this worst-case scenario. Only about 1/1,000 of 1% of the world's men are registered on these boards - if that many. We regard 2" per year as a great gain. What if it's not? We're basing this on such a small sampling of men - again, 1/1,000th of 1 percent.
What if there are guys out there who can gain 3-4" in 1 year, or even less time? We might suddenly find ourselves again on the outside looking in.
Do you want to hear women say, "Eight inches?" then pout, "My last 5 boyfriends all had at least ten." ???
Duh.
Again, I'm not saying that 80 or 90% of men will become jelqoholics, but don't kid yourselves - it won't be 2 or 3% either.
Even most doctors think this is bullshit - most guys certainly do, as well. Imagine if it were "proven," then made public.

[WaxN]

sorry, I meant to hit "edit" not "quote."

[oopapercutoo]

Waxn is completely and totally right, if you ask me. I couldn't agree more with his reasoning. While it is true that a vast majority of humans are innately lazy and looking for a "quick fix" to help them attain their goals, I can't help but think that if PE were proven then there would be an overwhelming amount of men taking up PE and seeing substantial gains from it. Where would that leave us? Right back where we started: average, or in some cases below average. It's best to keep PE as quiet as can be, at least for the time being.

[MDC]

Just about everyone on the Internet knows about PE. Only a select few know that it actually works.

What are the chances that it will be "proven" in a way to convince the rest? I can imagine that a higher percentage will be believers in the future, but not that it would be "proven" in the normal medical sense.

Does the world know? Yes. Do they believe? No.

[Questor]

A heck of a lot more people know about these sites then are registered. I waited a year to register for Thunder's myself. Why? Laziness, I didn't want to have to do all that work. :)

I believe many more people look at the sites think it's hogwash, and don't do anything about it. Still others look at it try a couple of exercises get discouraged or just plain hurt themselves. Then quit and never look back.

From MDC:


Does the world know? Yes. Do they believe? No.


Hear, hear!

But in the end it is my "belief" and your "belief". And I believe your wrong! :)

Just kidding, because everyone is entitled to there opinion.

~Q

[8 isn't enough]

No. If you have a secret recipe, why give it away for others to make? You put all the work into finding the solution and now you just give it away? Let the lazy people not find it. What it boils down too is want. If you want it enough, you will find it. Period. End of story.

[WaxN]

Originally posted by Questor
But in the end it is my "belief" and your "belief". And I believe your wrong! :)
Just kidding, because everyone is entitled to there opinion.
In the end, it is a matter of opinion - because neither of us really knows how many men would PE, or stick with it.
But I want to make a few distinctions about what was said.
(1) To say that "everyone with Internet access knows about PE" seems a stretch. What do you mean by "knows"? Are you saying that "everyone with internet access" (hundreds of millions of men worldwide - if not over a billion) knows about jelqs, stretches, LOT, tunica & lig stretching, DLD Blasters, A-stretches, Fake-Arm Stretches, Ulis, holds, pan rolls, etc.? If so, that's astounding because.....um, nobody I've ever mentioned any of that to had a clue what I was talking about - not even one person.
(2) I believe that most men are familiar with penis enlargement ads - just like we see ads for get-rich-quick schemes, or horoscopes, or miracle weight-loss pills, etc. Again, most people think those ads are bullshit.
(3) I never said that a majority of men would become PE veterans if the cat got out of the bag - but I believe a lot more would than you're willing to admit to.
(4) There's a difference between "gym laziness" & "PE laziness." A gym committment requires hours per week, much more effort & exertion (I don't know about you, but I never huffed & puffed like a locomotive from PE, or came close to puking, or screamed out my reps like a nut while doing PE); gym training also requires certain nutritional considerations, plenty of sleep, travel time to & fro, etc. And penis size, like I said, seems far more crucial to men than bicep size or bench press. You cannot gauge how many men would PE based on how relatively few go to gyms on a regular basis.
(5) It's delusional to believe that over 3 billion men secretly visit these boards, while only about 20,000 have registered, ha ha.
I did not believe PE - nor would I have ever tried it were it not for mild ED that I was trying to cure (and did, by the way). But just from doing the exercises every other day - for about 20-30 minutes per session - I made visible girth gains (1/2") in about a month or less....so I was hooked. Would I have done these for 3 years without gains? Hell no! Three months? Nope. But I do them now, even though I'm plateaued currently - because I know they work - not because I'm "disciplined" (because if I were, then I'd still be pumping iron).
I've spent about 9 months accumulating quite a PE library, which I continuously update on CD (in case of crashes, reformatting, etc.). I have a few hundred MBs, including payguides, videos, websites, articles, many DLD posts LOL, etc.)....I wouldn't just hand over a copy to my best friend. Sure don't want the world to become "believers" like I did. :)

[oopapercutoo]

Originally posted by WaxN
I don't know about you, but I never huffed & puffed like a locomotive from PE, or came close to puking, or screamed out my reps like a nut while doing PE

...So you mean I'm the only one who does this? :confused: :(

:D

[Questor]

Waxn - Cheeeeel man.

1.) I am trying to find where I said this in my posts but I can't. Perhaps your reading to much into my posts?

2.) So your saying most men know about PE? And they think that it is hogwash. Hrm.

3.) I reiterate, I don't care how many people would become "veterans" of PE. I am doing this for myself. Whether my theoretical percentages are right or wrong it doesn't really matter.

4.) I believe that gym workouts and PE are very similar. You need to eat right, sleep right, and exercise right. It is kind of a "wholistic" approach to PE.



I did not believe PE - nor would I have ever tried it were it not for mild ED that I was trying to cure


So what your saying hear is that you knew about PE, and wouldn't have done anything if not for your ED? Interesting.

Delusion-ally yours,
~Q

[ctmwm]

I personally don't want it all over but heck it will be all over sooner or later. And I don't mean all the BS and magic pill info either.

Although I DO feel that DLD should be rewarded / Paid for all his hardwork and effort. I have mentioned a few times that the forums should not be open to the general net public for free. -

I do however feel that there has to be something to be offered to the the nonpaying public to feel like they need to join or see some of the forums but not everything for free. I'm the first person to help out WHENEVER someone needs it.

I just don't want so see DLD to be ripped off, I think he should be compensated and get at least 10 times the amount he dreams he might get repaid for all his hard work and effort thats all.

Too many people get ripped off after putting their heart and soul on the line.

Just my .02 cents thats all.

[doublelongdaddy]

Originally posted by ctmwm
I personally don't want it all over but heck it will be all over sooner or later. And I don't mean all the BS and magic pill info either.

Although I DO feel that DLD should be rewarded / Paid for all his hardwork and effort. I have mentioned a few times that the forums should not be open to the general net public for free. -

I do however feel that there has to be something to be offered to the the nonpaying public to feel like they need to join or see some of the forums but not everything for free. I'm the first person to help out WHENEVER someone needs it.

I just don't want so see DLD to be ripped off, I think he should be compensated and get at least 10 times the amount he dreams he might get repaid for all his hard work and effort thats all.

Too many people get ripped off after putting their heart and soul on the line.

Just my .02 cents thats all.

:)

[Godsize]

Hold on,

I mean absolutely no offense by this comment, but...

Hasn't DLD been paid handsomely already by getting a big dick? Why the bait and switch?

I can't really judge, DLD has helped me on many occassions in the past and even to this day. Can't blame the guy for trying to make a living. Shit, I'd probably exploit myself too.

Whatever happens to PE in the future is of no concern to me. I'll still be gettin' mine. Will you be getting yours? Fuck it, let it go mainstream. PE is survival of the fittest. And have you seen what the average Joe Blow looks like? Shiftless!

If you can find a way to sell sand to Egyptians, more power to ya!

[Long Worm]

If it goes Public it still will not be accepted. I have seen other forums nothing to do with Penis Enlargement talk about Jelqing and if it works, the majority of the posts say that in the long run you will weaken your dick. No matter what you say to them they will always believe what the doctor says.

No matter how much advertising PE gets, their will still be a high percentage of men out their that will still think that it is a scam and won't believe in it no matter what.

[stillwantmore]

NOOOOO! I take it all back!! Stop DLD!!! Dont let PE go mainstreeeeeam!! I'm a lazy bastard who fears any form of "competition" or the idea of one more guy 'maybe' having a bigger dick than me because he's more motivated than I am!! AAAAugh!! LOL. That's what it really boils down to isnt it? You KNOW who I'm talking to.

[freakybig]

I would rather the world didn't know about it. I would prefer women to think my enlarged penis is in fact my natural size and not the product of many hours of work.

But the guys are right, even if everybody did know about it, I doub't enough people would do it consistantly for it to have any kind of impact on womens perceptions of penises on the whole. Most men want a six pack but how many have one?

I think the men that want a bigger dick bad enough already know about PE - guys like me that started really small and just HAD to get a bigger dick, so I spent hours online learning about it and put it into practice on a regular basis because I just couldn't take being that small. Now that I'm a little above average size I can barely bring myself to do my routines. Go figure.

[REDZULU2003]

I wonna say first,
Waxn very nice post I agree with it ALL.

And next I dont think it should go mainstream.
Why? becoz I dont want every fucking guy getting a bigger dick, thats more competition for me and I dont want more :p

[n2growing]

No it should not be made public......

All PE sites should close their doors to vistors 2004, if you make it by then so be it if not oh well.. Then they can think of what it could have been. Everyday more and more people are aware and pretty soon everyone will have 8"+ ...Jan 2004 get in now or get left behind...:D

[doublelongdaddy]

Finally this thread is getting some action:) Everyone is making great points.

[Godsize]

"I would rather the world didn't know about it. I would prefer women to think my enlarged penis is in fact my natural size and not the product of many hours of work." - FreakyBig

That right there is a most excellent point. PE going public breaks the illusion. But anyway, the general public has a short attention span... PE will be mentioned, forgotten, then it's back to watching the next American Juniors.

Don't worry. Forums like these get new members every day. Word has been spreading, or more people have been researching. Who needs the media? The Internet reaches WAY more people on a much broader scope.

For all of you who don't want PE to be common knowledge... I'm talkin' common, household knowledge(myself included, I suppose)... let's keep talking about it till it comes true.

Oh and in regards to the original question: "Does the world deserve to know about PE?"

No. Of course it doesn't. 'Cause fuck the world.

[doublelongdaddy]

Oh and in regards to the original question: "Does the world deserve to know about PE?"

No. Of course it doesn't. 'Cause fuck the world.

Because you hate the world or just don't want guys to get bigger units?:D

[crazyed27]

Because you hate the world or just don't want guys to get bigger units?:D


Yeah tell the world after I'm dead! :wave:

[lonerj]

LOL pleaseeee...

That's such BS. If a guy knew that it worked, every man would jump in the bandwagon. I mean c'mon WTF, everybody wants a bigger penis.

They will only quit if they are SKEPTICAL and try a little and it doesn't work. If they knew, they'd do it... so before anyone comes in and says that they're lazy, cut the BS!!

Anyway, I would not like it especially because it will affect our male youth (and trust me it will). They'll become brainless wankers and obsessive towards this whole thing. C'mon, look at the whole metrosexual shit. Look, human beings can be evil creatures and shit like that. I'm sure the alpha males will pick on the others who are smaller and tease them as well as act like assholes in order to feel 'superior' which I feel is fucking pathetic. WE HAVE THIS FORUM TO KEEP US GROUNDED AND SUPPORTIVE as well as maintain integrity and dignity, the WORLD doesn't!!

You think if the masses knew, they wouldn't act like asshole alpha males? Please. That's why you're crazy if you want PE to become mainstream. There's nothing wrong with telling a few friends or family you want to help out but other than that, STICK WITH THE FIGHT CLUB MENTALITY!!

Ya know the rules.

I take full responsibility with my size. I ain't going to show off and make people feel insecure or inferior. I will only act up and show it if people challenge me.

[lonerj]

OH AND SWM.

I'm talking about people KNOWING FOR SURE IT WORKS, not knowing about it.

YES EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT THE PENIS SPAM, but doesn't believe.

I'm talking about it being scientifically proven and shit like that and it coming out on the news, etc.

[lonerj]

Because you hate the world or just don't want guys to get bigger units?:D

For me both :)

But seriously, think of the teenagers in high school or even JHS if it breaks out to mainstream media and they prove it as a fact. *shivers*

Anyway DLD, you didn't put in your opinion like you promised. I'd love to hear it =)

[quijjiboo]

For selfish reasons of course, I don't want anybody to know about this, I want the advantage.

But I'll give you another look at it. There are so many unsatisfied women in the world because of small dicks. This results in breakups, cheating, and just unhappiness for the women. PE, for guys who care about how their girl feels, is a tool to help keep the relationship going strong..
So I believe every man has the right to know that they can correct the problem if they have one..

[stillwantmore]

OH AND SWM.

I'm talking about people KNOWING FOR SURE IT WORKS, not knowing about it.

YES EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT THE PENIS SPAM, but doesn't believe.

I'm talking about it being scientifically proven and shit like that and it coming out on the news, etc.


Contact your scientists, urologists and doctors....I'll be FIRST IN LINE to submit myself and penis to whatever studies they like to prove beyond a doubt that this stuff works. rofl

[jj2345]

i made a post like this earlier in the week,like i said i would tell no one
i would keep this a secret,imagine if a guy was already hung wit 10in,and he was to ever find out about PE who knows how big his cock can get,but imagine if you convince a famous celeberty to advertise this,you can make MILLIONS!!

[REDZULU2003]

I reckon theirs BIG $$$$$ to be made in trying to get this into the mainstream, however I cant see it ever being pulled of or anyone really milking any profits, and I hope NO ONE does, cos its only simple exercise ...... simple exercise I want to stay on the net and not venture around the outside world so everyone knows, if it does get out it will be because of the sent.....O baby that SWEET smell of MONEY...it will turn a reguler Sunday church going Christian to the DarkSide ... MONEY is what will / may get pe/npe to the mainstream, I hope the guy/s that do/try this get shot LOL.

[Gandolf]

[QUOTE=quijjiboo]

But I'll give you another look at it. There are so many unsatisfied women in the world because of small dicks. This results in breakups, cheating, and just unhappiness for the women.QUOTE]Come on man, what you are describing is so rare. A girl would have to be a complete nymphomaniac to go so far as to break up with a guy because he didn't have a big dick. And I think that teh vast majority of men can please the vast majority of women in bed with their size. Added size is just icing on the cake.

And to answer the question of course I hope this doesn't become public. Like people have said, more competition. I don't want more guys out there with 8-9 inch dicks.

[quijjiboo]

[QUOTE=quijjiboo]

But I'll give you another look at it. There are so many unsatisfied women in the world because of small dicks. This results in breakups, cheating, and just unhappiness for the women.QUOTE]Come on man, what you are describing is so rare. A girl would have to be a complete nymphomaniac to go so far as to break up with a guy because he didn't have a big dick. And I think that teh vast majority of men can please the vast majority of women in bed with their size. Added size is just icing on the cake.

And to answer the question of course I hope this doesn't become public. Like people have said, more competition. I don't want more guys out there with 8-9 inch dicks.

Well as far as statistics are concerned most women have difficulty with orgasm. Whether or not that is due to the men being inadequate is up for debate. But we do know that the average size has decreased in the past century. This is probably due to the environmental estrogens that also make us watch Friends.

And personally I know alot of girls who have broken up with their boyfriends and/or cheated because their man sucked in bed. Of course they would, look at how selfish people are today.

[randolf]

SWM you are a smart guy I must say from reading your posts. I also was in network marketing for a month. Right away I saw the money was get a little ways up and don't tell anyone how much profit you are really making. But act big and make all the money selling tapes and shit like that.

I think many are wrong to say profits will make it spread to everyone. I love capitalism, I love a profit based system, but I also know there are limits to where it can be beneficial. So far bodybuilding I've gained 125+ pounds, mainly muscle and lean body mass, but also some fat. I started 145 pounds and about 3-4 years later I am 270-275 now.

I experimented with many things and read about many things. One thing I realized was that the muscle magazines were owned by the supplement companies, who are owned by the major american food manufacturers. What makes more sense for profit, making a bar of proteins and fats that costs 1$ to make, and selling it for 3$, or putting in a bunch of carb shit, that costs 15 cents to make, and selling it for 3$. To make the equivilant return on investment you'd have to charge 20$ or more for the fat/protein bars, which no one will pay.

Also they sell you every supplement under the moon, which none of them do anything. I see people buying partial amino acids and shit, well you get all the amino acids when you eat meat. Spend your money eating meat and cheese and milk and those type of things.

In penis enlargement the market is already being taken over by profiteers. They sell you sawdust for 50$ a month, that you have to pay for the rest of your life. Or they butcher your penis and inject fucking fat into it, for 15,000 dollars. Dld sells this information for 50$, even assuming everyone is honest and doesn't just copy the information, a one time shot of 50$ will not make a large company or more then a few people wealthy. (btw when I get a credit card I will join this site, as I want to see dld's routines and ask him questions.) I think dld is an open minded guy which allows him to learn and grow, and in addition he has a passion for npe.. a powerful combination.


Waxn who is a successful bodybuilder I know what you are saying however I mainly disagree with your conclusions. I do however agree with some points you made. In my city of 300,00 there is about 40-100 people who got big from bodybuilding. And we are living it up. And this is commonly available research that doctos approve of, well some. Half the people I talk to tell me bodybuilding doesn't work either. Or you get big muscles but not stronger, or I don't wana get to big, I like being a pinner little loser. I tell people how I did it, and am doing it, and they won't listen they just tell me, no fats will make you fat, or no you have to work out 6 days per week like it says in this silly magazine. I don't ever talk to normal people about this anymore, I just talk to hardcore bodybuilders who are open minded(redundant point), who want to be insane.

Even if the average person did believe these would work, which they never will. As I said perceptions are almost impossible to overcome, profiteers benefit from the current situation, our society fears masculinity and will try to deny it, there are many factors. I've outright told friends about pe, friends that feel small, and they dont' come here.

But even if they believed somehow, you still have to do the work. And as you all know its not 10 minutes a day, its 30-90 minutes a day, which the average person will not be able to do. They might do it for a few days, then they will be off with their friends, or watching tv. That is human nature. We dream but only the great people, which are always few, are willing to do.

I also disagree with your statement that pe isn't hard to do. When I work out my hands are aching badly, I am watching the clock praying that minute is going to switch over so one of my mid workout breaks can start. I have to have a water bottle beside me and the window open because I get so hot and start sweating so bad.

What I do agree on is that if it became widely known, which it won't for at least a generation, you might see some people actualy try it out and gain a .25 in both measurments. But they will give it up.

At the gym we always laugh at new years. Every January 1st a bunch of people show up and buy 2 year memberships. They see us big guys in the gym and they pay the big bucks, which allows us to work out for like 20 dollars a month if you are 'gold' member. They go to the supplement store and buy 300-500$ worth of sawdust. They workout once, a few workout twice, one year I saw a guy last 3 workouts. Then they are gone and NEVER return. They can't get out of the contract either mwahaha.

Just this year I saw many newbs come in on january 1st, I like to go this day and scope out the chicks that come in. Not a single one of them was there by January 8th. I disagree with waxn that there is no correlation between the gym or pe.

So the two fold problem remains, they dont' want to put any effort in, and even if they did there is 100's of times more misinformation then information so they'd fail anyways. Only people who can put the time in and read through large amounts of material AND have the intelligence to come to conclusions on the information AND are willing to believe not commonly accepted thinking AND have the personalities where they can devote themselves to brutal day after day abuse for their goal AND are willing to change what they are doing and their thinking as they go along, will see dramatic results.

Seriously we are talking about out of a world population of 6 billion about 20-30 people. Which is about how many people have gotten dramatic results from pe, that wasn't passed down as a family secret.

[Gandolf]

Randolf, what are your gains from PE like?

[randolf]

Hey brother Gandolf. I did about, or just over a months worth of stretching last year, and I went from 7-7.5 length. And I started up again on january 13, at 7.5 by 5.0 girth, When I measured february 10th I'm up to 7.5 by 5.5.

[REDZULU2003]

But we do know that the average size has decreased in the past century.

----

cant remember who said that, but good as I watched some shit ages back about Victorian Britain and it said the AVERAGE penis erect length than was 4 inches , now its somewhere around 5.5/6 inches, all BP as-well.

[Wannab]

I am on the fence about this.

I found this site because I wanted to improve myself. The PE part is just one aspect of what I am doing. I made a decision in October that I had to get myself in better shape. Someone who does not have the desire to improve themselves will not spend the time to do so.

As far as the comment about penis size relating to orgasm. It is definitely bunk. A lot of women only orgasm through masturbation and no penetration is even involved.

A large penis is more eye candy than functional. I put it in the same class as a boob job. My wife has fun with it, but the added size has not changed the number or intensity of her orgasms. The amount of attention and foreplay I give her controls that.

I chose to do PE because I wanted to do so. My wife supports and helps me with it because she enjoys spending the time with me, not because she thinks I need a bigger dick.

Most of the men I know would not even consider doing this. They either think they don't need to, or have lost interest in their wives. The sad part is their wives don't agree.

[blue1214198203]

as surprising as it may be, most men really dont care enough about the size of their penis to put in the work, no matter how minimal it might be, to enlarge it. all we know about lifting weights and how a simple routine can make you cut in a matter of weeks, people still dont do it cause they really dont care. ive talked about pe with guys before and they know about jelqing and everything but they are either scared of it, too embarrased to do it, or are just like whatever.
if everybody knew, more people do than you think, freaks like us would probably increase a lot at first and then drop off over time, like the jogging craze and what not.

[blue1214198203]

as surprising as it may be, most men really dont care enough about the size of their penis to put in the work, no matter how minimal it might be, to enlarge it. all we know about lifting weights and how a simple routine can make you cut in a matter of weeks, people still dont do it cause they really dont care. ive talked about pe with guys before and they know about jelqing and everything but they are either scared of it, too embarrased to do it, or are just like whatever.
if everybody knew, more people do than you think, freaks like us would probably increase a lot at first and then drop off over time, like the jogging craze and what not.

its also really a personal thing, cause i want a bigger penis to make having sex and masturbating more fun, not like those acts alone arent fun in themselves. take basketball, even though a really good vertical isnt absolutely necessary if you got one it makes playing a lot more fun, but then shooting or actually talking and connecting with girls is more important. peopel focus on different parts.

[penguinsfan]

Hey, here's another point. Suppose everyone did know. Suppose everyone did it. It might take the advantage away from people like us, but those guys witn naturally big monster cocks might overdo it. I mean, most chicks have a size limit, so they might actually harm their status among women. Just a thought.

[penguinsfan]

Most of the men I know would not even consider doing this. They either think they don't need to, or have lost interest in their wives. The sad part is their wives don't agree.

I have a married friend that just turned 28. I told him about PE and wrote up a small program for him. When I checked back a couple of months ago, he hadn't done anything, telling me he just wasn't interested in sex anymore and didn't care. :O

[WaxN]

I reread this post and a few thoughts jumped into my mind....
1) To say that the "world already knows about PE" is very misleading; what many people know about are the shyster ads (such as the pill peddlers, many of whom are now under federal indictment). As I've said before, I have, to date, met only 1 guy during my 18 months of PE who's done this or was familiar with it. Most people equate PE ads with the "get rich quick" schemes or the "burn fat while you sleep" bullshit. They do NOT *believe* that this stuff is real.

2) If PE would suddenly go public, and subsequently the medical community would not be able to continue ignoring it but would be forced to deal with it seriously, it would be validated. It would no longer be an issue of "believing" - it would become commonly accepted, just like diet & exercise.

3) Questor, I never said that I knew about PE but didn't do it. I've mentioned before that I discovered PE when a bout of mild ED forced me to go online, looking for answers. I kept coming upon all of the PE sites (mostly paysites) and began experimenting with some of the free exercises.

4) randolf, I'll say it again - gym training is much harder than PE. PE can be done while sitting in a lounge chair - watching. Sure, your hands can ache. Big deal. When I used to pound the iron, my whole damn body ached. PE is also fun "private time" - a man & his weiner, alone & happy. I can't honestly say that stretching my yo-yo reminds me of a set of 500-lb olympic-style fullsquats, in the bucket, for reps. Or seated militaries with 300 lbs, or bench presses with over 400 lbs. And your suggestion that PE sessions are 30-90 minutes....hmmm, I've never gone over about 40 minutes. And I made early gains on about 20 minutes every other day (about 1 hour per week). Again, I've never vomited or screamed from jelqing, I've never required 4 spotters to help with "forced reps" on a V-Stretch, nor have I ever strapped on a lifting belt to perform a set of ulis. Getting to the gym is a big hassle for most folks - like the New Year's Resolution newbs you get. Sure, they "want" a great body, but they quickly fizzle out. I assert that penis size is far more primal that bicep size, and a lot easier to develop.

Let PE become common knowledge and, subsequently, medically validated and there'll be far more guys doing PE than hitting the gyms. I know that thought is too disturbing for some guys to consider, but just look at how many men go under the knife each year in their quests for a bigger cock (thousands!). Many others no doubt would also, but can't afford. Make PE free & available to the masses....and they will use it.

No, the average penis size will not become 8" - but 8" will become a lot more common (and the same with the larger sizes as well). I didn't PE so that I could become average all over again.

[penguinsfan]

I'm with WaxN. I don't think PE needs to be as physically demanding as a serious weightlifting routine. I know a day in the gym is rougher for me.

[randolf]

I reread this post and a few thoughts jumped into my mind....
1) To say that the "world already knows about PE" is very misleading; what many people know about are the shyster ads (such as the pill peddlers, many of whom are now under federal indictment). As I've said before, I have, to date, met only 1 guy during my 18 months of PE who's done this or was familiar with it. Most people equate PE ads with the "get rich quick" schemes or the "burn fat while you sleep" bullshit. They do NOT *believe* that this stuff is real.

2) If PE would suddenly go public, and subsequently the medical community would not be able to continue ignoring it but would be forced to deal with it seriously, it would be validated. It would no longer be an issue of "believing" - it would become commonly accepted, just like diet & exercise.

3) Questor, I never said that I knew about PE but didn't do it. I've mentioned before that I discovered PE when a bout of mild ED forced me to go online, looking for answers. I kept coming upon all of the PE sites (mostly paysites) and began experimenting with some of the free exercises.

4) randolf, I'll say it again - gym training is much harder than PE. PE can be done while sitting in a lounge chair - watching. Sure, your hands can ache. Big deal. When I used to pound the iron, my whole damn body ached. PE is also fun "private time" - a man & his weiner, alone & happy. I can't honestly say that stretching my yo-yo reminds me of a set of 500-lb olympic-style fullsquats, in the bucket, for reps. Or seated militaries with 300 lbs, or bench presses with over 400 lbs. And your suggestion that PE sessions are 30-90 minutes....hmmm, I've never gone over about 40 minutes. And I made early gains on about 20 minutes every other day (about 1 hour per week). Again, I've never vomited or screamed from jelqing, I've never required 4 spotters to help with "forced reps" on a V-Stretch, nor have I ever strapped on a lifting belt to perform a set of ulis. Getting to the gym is a big hassle for most folks - like the New Year's Resolution newbs you get. Sure, they "want" a great body, but they quickly fizzle out. I assert that penis size is far more primal that bicep size, and a lot easier to develop.

Let PE become common knowledge and, subsequently, medically validated and there'll be far more guys doing PE than hitting the gyms. I know that thought is too disturbing for some guys to consider, but just look at how many men go under the knife each year in their quests for a bigger cock (thousands!). Many others no doubt would also, but can't afford. Make PE free & available to the masses....and they will use it.

No, the average penis size will not become 8" - but 8" will become a lot more common (and the same with the larger sizes as well). I didn't PE so that I could become average all over again.

HAHAHAAA forced v-stretch reps with spotters.

Hmm some good points. I don't see how pe will become mainstream though, when the successful ways of doing it do not make profit. Companies make money selling 50$ a month of sawdust or an hour surgery that costs 10k.

So you are always going to have the misinformation. Do a search for pe, you will get 100's of hits for pills or surgery compared to what 3 or 4 ones on the actualy stuff?

The medical community can never endorse anything at this point, because of litigation. Most doctors won't tell you to lift weights directly, because if you broke your back and couldn't work they would be liable, and that could cost them everything. They have a lot to lose and nothing to gain, by saying anything is right or wrong.

Bodybuilding is the same way to an extent. They sell you 4$ of sugar water, that actualy stops your growth hormone production, by the oil tanker worth.

They recommend training routines that are ridiculus overtraining. Infact if you ever got in shape you wouldn't have to keep buying all the sawdust they try to sell you, which would hurt them. People use routines for guys on steroids, not realizing its the steroids that allows them not to overtrain. My point is there is a lot of misinformation. But bodybuilding has made the average person somewhat stronger then they would be with no bodybuilding.

Highly uneven though with a few seeing large results, and most seeing very little.

That is how I look at pe, I can see the average going up some with the knowledge. You may be right about the primal nature of pe, but you were always a physically large guy, if you started out below average in strength, you might put bodybuilding higher then pe.

[loverman]

Catch 22!

If it was kept secret, I would never have found it...

Having said that, now that I do know about it, I want to keep the advantage for myself.

That may make me a heartless bastard...It is said that women like heartless bastards...

[REDZULU2003]

I belive what Waxn says about bodybuilding being HARDER than pe, IT IS harder.
I also used to lift alot years ago when I was say 13 to 17 than I stopped , anyways I hammered havy massive weights and it HURT like fuck, it was NO FUN at all my legs were on the verge of packing in, my back was fucked, my biceps they were exploding out, but I nearly killed my self getting their .... pe is alot more easyer, very relaxing at times and ALOT of pleasure when doing erect work.

Just mho anyways.

[quijjiboo]

Sure bodybuilding is more intense than PE, but gains are seen from day 1. With PE it could be a year. People are motivated by results, and PE takes way too long for most people to stick with it.

[WaxN]

I can see the average going up some with the knowledge. You may be right about the primal nature of pe, but you were always a physically large guy, if you started out below average in strength, you might put bodybuilding higher then pe.
This is true to a degree - but I disagree about the part where doctors don't recommend training because they could be liable for injury. That's really not true, as doctors are not certified fitness instructors - that's to be gotten at the gym.

However, regarding the part about "big penis or big pecs"....

I recognize that a guy’s starting size would determine his self-image, to a degree, but I was referring to the “average-sized” guy. To illustrate this point, in a somewhat humorous manner, consider this…

What if you were destined to hear one of these 2 comments from women – which would you prefer to hear?

(1) Damn! I can’t believe your body – you’re built like Arnold. Too bad you have a li’l boy peepee.

OR

(2) You’re the skinniest guy I’ve ever dated, but you have an elephant cock – the biggest I’ve ever seen, by far.

I’d bet that 99.99% of men would chose comment #2. I can’t imagine many guys being happy with 21½” guns, but a 4.2 x 3.25 BPEL. That’s why I’ve said that penis size is far more primal, far more personal to men than is muscle-building.

- W a x N

[blue1214198203]

Sure bodybuilding is more intense than PE, but gains are seen from day 1. With PE it could be a year. People are motivated by results, and PE takes way too long for most people to stick with it.

imo i dont think gains from pe should take a year. i think that we as a community all over the interent have the wrong theories being applied to training routines. the penis isnt a muscle but its growth works in a very similar way as to with building muscle mass or expanding the spongy tissue. i dont think newbie gains are newbie gains, i think its simply not training so hard that recovery cant be achieved and then once they gain they increase the intensity and retard growth cutting down on recovery time with increased breaking down of the tissues, leading to less gains. i really think we need to rexamine the mindset of heat, training everyday, pushing blood in for over 20 minutes, and so on. im not saying these things are wrong, but i think we should really take a serious look at this instead of just maintaining such a pessimistic view, no offense.

[randolf]

imo i dont think gains from pe should take a year. i think that we as a community all over the interent have the wrong theories being applied to training routines. the penis isnt a muscle but its growth works in a very similar way as to with building muscle mass or expanding the spongy tissue. i dont think newbie gains are newbie gains, i think its simply not training so hard that recovery cant be achieved and then once they gain they increase the intensity and retard growth cutting down on recovery time with increased breaking down of the tissues, leading to less gains. i really think we need to rexamine the mindset of heat, training everyday, pushing blood in for over 20 minutes, and so on. im not saying these things are wrong, but i think we should really take a serious look at this instead of just maintaining such a pessimistic view, no offense.

I agree blue12, the key ultimately is this. What challenges can you present to the penis that the best ways of meeting these challenges is to add size. Then what is the adequate time worked out vs. rest time to add that size for your body. Thirdly changing the challenge to another one that the the best way of meeting it would be to add size, every 4-6 months.

This is when I started exploding in bodybuilding. I realized I wanted to add 'mass'. Pushups, makes your chest stronger, but your body cuts down bodyweight to make the exercise easier. Chinups same thing. Say you were just working on your back and biceps, chinups would be great. But if you want a whole body mass gain, you need to forget challenging yourself with your own bodyweight.

This includes running, stairmaster, biking, climbing, anything like that. I see people work their ass off for 45 minutes in the gym, then do 30 minutes on the bike. Not surprisingly they are platueaed at like 160-175 pounds. I see people doing this with climbing to, they are wirey, and can lift their own now smaller frames easily, but when it comes to buffness they are small. I've seen womens reactions to me and others, and they like the big and strong. Just like with cocks they like huge and hard.

That was reason why with bodybuilding it took me a time to decide what to do, because I did not know what women wanted. I saw in adds androgenous models made out that this was sexy. But in my real life I began noticing that attractive women tended to date above average size and strength men. I watched this in nightclubs, I go to places like that when nothing is going on and just observe. As for penis size women don't want to marry some small guy. They want a very large and hard man, who will own their pussy everynight.

I wonder if jelqing for 20 minutes straight, is analogous to working a weight on your chest for 20 minutes. That won't make you big. It will make your cardiovascular system efficient but you will not gain mass.

Once you get this concept of body adaptation, its just a matter of finding the challenges. And giving enough rest time for growth. The problem is although when you understand this principle its beautiful in its simplicity, if you don't get it, you are highly susceptable to misinformation.

Lifting that weight off your chest for 30 minutes instead of 20 minutes, isn't going to add a pound of muscle. Nor could you substantialy ever raise the weight.

[quijjiboo]

PE still takes much too long before results show so most people will quit that before quitting bodybuilding that's what I was trying to say.

But about needing more recovery, I don't see anybody doing brief infrequent workouts making extraordinary gains. The people who make those gains are the ones who spend a shitload of time PE'ing.

I think the analogy of PE to bodybuilding should be forgotten, creates too much confusion..

[penguinsfan]

This includes running, stairmaster, biking, climbing, anything like that. I see people work their ass off for 45 minutes in the gym, then do 30 minutes on the bike. Not surprisingly they are platueaed at like 160-175 pounds.

Here is a question:

I am just making a return to the weight room after a long abscence. And I've been at it for over a month, not just a couple of workouts. :cool: It's a start. I've basically been following the Body For Life weight routine. I would like to try Mike Mentzer's High Intensity Training, though I think I should get into a basic routine and used to lifting before I attempt it. I am obsessed with getting rid of this extremely stubborn fat, about 70 lbs. of it. The real reason I am motivated to gain muscle mass is so that more muscle will help burn the fat on my body. I have no real ambitions for Dorian Yates type muscle mass, though I wouldn't mind a little more than I have. However, I am determined to get my bodyfat percentage into the single digits someday. I love to do cardio. On a good week, I'll do cardio 5-6 days, because I am, for lack of a better term, emotionally addicted to the anticipated results. The problem is that cardio work heavily involves the lower body. Will I kill my size gains if I do 20-30 minutes or so of cardio after a lower body weight workout? If so, how long must I wait? For example, could I lift with my legs at 2:00 pm, go to work, then exercise when I get home around 3:00 am?

[WaxN]

PE still takes much too long before results show so most people will quit that before quitting bodybuilding that's what I was trying to say.

LOL! Yeah, I didn't notice any changes for about 4 or 5 days (bigger flaccid, thicker erections). And it took me a whole month to gain 1/2" erect girth, and about 5 months for my first erect inch.

Less than 15 months into (sporadic) PE, I have increased my penile size by nearly 71% more volume [6.12 x 5.2 = 13.17 ci.......7.55 x 6.12 = 22.5 ci]. Had I been more consistent, I'm sure those gains would've come sooner.

Why don't I continue to hit the gym? Because it's too hard, compared to PE, and I care more about my dong than my "most muscular" pose.

[randolf]

Here is a question:

I am just making a return to the weight room after a long abscence. And I've been at it for over a month, not just a couple of workouts. :cool: It's a start. I've basically been following the Body For Life weight routine. I would like to try Mike Mentzer's High Intensity Training, though I think I should get into a basic routine and used to lifting before I attempt it. I am obsessed with getting rid of this extremely stubborn fat, about 70 lbs. of it. The real reason I am motivated to gain muscle mass is so that more muscle will help burn the fat on my body. I have no real ambitions for Dorian Yates type muscle mass, though I wouldn't mind a little more than I have. However, I am determined to get my bodyfat percentage into the single digits someday. I love to do cardio. On a good week, I'll do cardio 5-6 days, because I am, for lack of a better term, emotionally addicted to the anticipated results. The problem is that cardio work heavily involves the lower body. Will I kill my size gains if I do 20-30 minutes or so of cardio after a lower body weight workout? If so, how long must I wait? For example, could I lift with my legs at 2:00 pm, go to work, then exercise when I get home around 3:00 am?


hehe ya dorian yates was somewhat before my time, but that guy is insane.

You are definately on the right track from what I've read. Higher muscle mass will make it much easier to burn off and keep off fat. Like to be honest I have a bit of a gut at the moment, but my muscles eat a lot of calories a day so it keeps it in check.

I have read body for life, and my father has done it as well. I think it is a great diet for a 3-6 month period for dropping fat, and maintaining or even slightly increasing muscle mass. However if you look at people who have been on it for a long time they aren't very healthy. It lacks a lot of the essential fatty acids to make it sustainable.

They do get tremendous results for those 3-6 months though. It is probably a great diet for you to go on, for that period.

Cardio is a good thing, I could use more of it to be honest. It keeps your circulatory system healthy, plus flushes your system out of crap that gets stuck in it. Makes you more 'efficient' basicaly. I would recommend doing things like rowing and stairmaster, things that your bodyweight is only partialy an obstacle to. And also with these the key as with progressive resistance, is to progressively increase the difficulty when you are able to.

I saw very good cardio improvement doing the rowing machine 3 days a week for 15 minutes a while back. I made one mistake doing it in moving up the intensity to fast, but still I was able to 'row' substantialy farther in that 15 minutes then when I first started.

As for the legs then cardio, I think right after a leg workout you would have severe trouble pushing your legs on a cardio workout. I don't think the cardio would really screw up the recovery, it would just make a more intensive workout. But imo you would see much more gains doing a more intense cardio workout with some time in between.

Also you might want to look at goals too. I have read a lot on hormones and fat, for men and women. For an adult man I think a healthy fat is about 15%. For some men with heavy builds and lots of muscle as high as 18% is very healthy. For smaller builds and less muscle, 12% is ideal. If you start going below your ideal body fat percentage, your anabolic hormones like testosterone start to drop, as your body gets 'uncomfortable'. The people you see their abs on, are usualy pretty small guys, or larger guys that take roids. Therefore they don't care what their bodies response is they are exogenous taking it anyway.

If you have 70 pounds of fat to lose you are probably a large man, so at 17% bodyfat lets say and say you are 250 pounds, carrying 42.5 pounds of bodyfat would be very healthy. And keep in mind fat is 9 times more volumous then muscle per pound so it might look like you are carrying a good deal of bodyfat, but for your build that would be very healthy.

Oh ya as for HIT, I like that style, and if I were you I'd spend a few weeks working the weights lightly and making sure you have great form. Even like 3 weeks just playing around with them, and also starting with the right amount of weight. No rush. Then when you are ready starting it and seeing the progress over like 6 months.

Thats what I'm coming to realize with pe, I understand bodybuilding well largely from trying things and screwing up, and reading theories.. but with PE I haven't the experience. I have to look at it like, if I gained .4 girth in six months, and .25 length that would be phenomenal! I suffered from I want to see .25 in two weeks!, that is a bit unrealistic, its something you get a program that you know works like DLD's and just build at it slowly over time.

[randolf]

For example, could I lift with my legs at 2:00 pm, go to work, then exercise when I get home around 3:00 am?

Oh ya I forgot to answer this question. In my opinion that would work well. In honesty you could do the cardio after the leg workout, I think its mainly you would just be burned out. Plus I know for me I would not want to workout as much and it would be harder to do my leg sets, knowing I have a cardio workout to do after them. The key is having enough time, rest, nutrients that you can give the cardio a good workout.

It sounds like you quite enjoy cardio, so it will relieve stress. Stress is one of the most important factors for getting a good body. You have to have low stress especialy for gaining muscle. I can see doing a tough cardio workout before bed, sort of flush out the stress, and make you physically tired, so you can sleep well.

That is one reason people can't sleep very well, is because they aren't physically very tired. I would suggest with the cardio to, go hard but say if on thursday you don't match your tuesday, don't worry about it, its the increasing ability over time. This may not be an issue for you anyway, but for me it was a big thing, because I'd get discouragd if I didn't meet the last times workout.
I can see for you doing 5 cardio workouts a week like you are doing now. But I'd make them different types, like : row, stairmaster, cross country ski machine.. repeat. And at 5 times a week this will put in a natural change because the day you do each will be change.
And don't worry about the calories you burn doing the workout, its the energy your body uses to transform your body, and the energy over time the new muscle burns. And even more so the cardio vascular health. Not to mention the ability increase of having more endurance and more power.

[quijjiboo]

LOL! Yeah, I didn't notice any changes for about 4 or 5 days (bigger flaccid, thicker erections). And it took me a whole month to gain 1/2" erect girth, and about 5 months for my first erect inch.

Less than 15 months into (sporadic) PE, I have increased my penile size by nearly 71% more volume [6.12 x 5.2 = 13.17 ci.......7.55 x 6.12 = 22.5 ci]. Had I been more consistent, I'm sure those gains would've come sooner.

Why don't I continue to hit the gym? Because it's too hard, compared to PE, and I care more about my dong than my "most muscular" pose.
Congratulations!! Your results are not typical

From what I see, the average is roughly 1" in the first year, if not, enlighten me

[REDZULU2003]

The average is only that cos of effort, dont expect to just gain 1 inch from doing it .... most put effort in and thats why they gain an average of 1 inch.

I still say Bodybuilding is HARDER than doing pe, ya cant say lifting weights [500lb's] and jogging in Icy weather is EASYER than simply pullin ya cock? but its YOUR opinion, fair do's.

All respect to ya, belive as ya belive.

cya

[penguinsfan]

Thanks to randolf for the time put into that explanation on the cardio. Gives me some good ideas for training in the coming weeks, as I have a major physical challenge coming up.

[doublelongdaddy]

So what is the conclusion? Does the world need the info?

[blue1214198203]

So what is the conclusion? Does the world need the info?

nah, its really not as important as we think it is on a national or global scale. certain kinds of people are really into it and most others really dont care, its great for us and people into it, but its really not as spectacular to everyone else.
if they really wanna find out about it and apply the knowledge theyll find out.

[penguinsfan]

So what is the conclusion? Does the world need the info?

No. It's only for those that exercise some effort in seeking out the knowledge.

[stillwantmore]

nah, its really not as important as we think it is on a national or global scale. certain kinds of people are really into it and most others really dont care, its great for us and people into it, but its really not as spectacular to everyone else.
if they really wanna find out about it and apply the knowledge theyll find out.

I like this reply. ^^

I personally feel like PE...even though it is all about (for the most part) making the most important part of a mans body as healthy and well developed as possible, it is still one of these 'things' to most people. It's not like bodybuilding or some other type of activity or lifestyle for physical health or wellness. It's one of these 'things' that will for the most part, by most people always be seen as a more eccentric type of preoccupation. It falls more along the lines of 'body modification'...like stretching your ear lobes with those big corks for example.

We dont need to be stressing ourselves out mentally over why or why not OTHER MEN will or wont do PE or will or wont believe that PE works. The important thing is that WE are here and that WE know better. That should be all that matters.

[jGman]

I don't think it's a question of the world knowing about PE. The info is already out there. Now, whether someone wants to put the time and effort into it is another story.

[channel7]

Truthfully, I do not believe the world could handle the truth. So it needs to be private.

[doublelongdaddy]

Well every oppurtunity that GQ magazine had to bring this to the public was shot. I really fucking hate the media...it is so sad that they determine who knows what truth.

[wants9]

Well every oppurtunity that GQ magazine had to bring this to the public was shot. I really fucking hate the media...it is so sad that they determine who knows what truth.
I was wondering what happened with that. They spiked the story, I'm guessing?

[doublelongdaddy]

I was wondering what happened with that. They spiked the story, I'm guessing?

Actually I get an email every now and again that he is still trying to sell the story to other magazines. :s

[thefranchise]

Hell even If PE was mainstream, not many people would have big dicks. Think about it. Id say for every 100 people that try PE maybe 2 stick with it. I know theres been times when ive been like man does this shit even work, or I dont see results fast enough. But I stuck with it off and on and I know it works now. But think of all the naysayers. Also everyone will be benchmarking each other like oh I didnt get an inch in a month this shit doesnt work. So regardless I think the secret is safe

[physique]

I do not want the knowledge about PE to be public, because if it was I would soon be average again and that would suck.

Yes Im a little egoistic..

[doublelongdaddy]

I do not want the knowledge about PE to be public, because if it was I would soon be average again and that would suck.

Yes Im a little egoistic..

Thats ok:D But really, I don't even think if there was a PE channel 24 hours a day broadcasted into every house in the world the stats would change that much. Most men don't have in in them, PE is allot of work.

[TheExecutioner]

Ive known about pe for years, always wanted a bigger dick but I gave up after I found I wasnt gaining anything. Maybe if I would have kept at it for a nother day, months, year i would of seen explosive gains, but I don't even PE now, so i reckon even if it went mainstream as DLD says, a lot of people would probably dabble with it, but not see it through to the end.

[VladtheImpaler]

Thats ok:D But really, I don't even think if there was a PE channel 24 hours a day broadcasted into every house in the world the stats would change that much. Most men don't have in in them, PE is allot of work.

lol, every few days I'll be going through the guide on my buddies dish, and theres this show called "PE-TV" and I always just subconsciously click on it,(I dont have a clue what its about), And my buddies always like

"Why the fuck do you keep going on that channel"......

My answer......hahaha, I dont know man..... ;)

[integrity]

Personally I wouldn't really care if there were more guys who knew about PE. As has been said many times, most of them wouldn't have the patience to keep at it. And I know there will always be guys who are bigger than me - I'm not PEing so that I can say I'm bigger than other guys. I'm doing it for the women I sleep with. ;)

[profesionalac]

I am here only because of me,and because of the fact that i can realy change my life!It was almost a moment ago(2 years),when i first started doing exercises,and i doubt it from the start (that it may not work).Fear of living in a way as before kept me going on and changing routines to the point when i started gaining.I was very insecure before of my self,and had a fucked up life,because my size was small.When i feel that i am not consistant in my routine,i just remember the time when i was thinking of suicide,when girls were dumping me because of my size,and i PE like never before!!!That is the key for me,fact that all of it can be changed.Man this is something that i think about rigth now,...,i talk with my neighbour(female),and she notices my hanging cock,all of our conversation she is actualy looking down and stearing at my dick size,i feel like a king now,although i am not so big(6.6x5,15).2 years before i was wearing long shirts to actualy hide my small size,not any more.I have losted two girls that i realy loved because of my size(5x4.25),damn!It seamed for me that life is cruel and that i dont deserve to live,because i am small!!!I am way happier now,and my life is way much different because of PE.Thank god that something like this is possible.Sorry DLD but i dont think that everybody should now that this exists,but also i would love that only small guys like i was before now of this(PE works and is here for us to change our lives). My father said that the average size iz 10-12cm just to make me feel better(he is thinking that i am still small),when i asked him if PE is possible,and had also said that i shouldnt worry,the best guys in bed are those with that size(10-12cm),what a bullshit!!Who would belive in something like that!Few days ago i admited that i PE,and he just repeated that i shouldnt worry about my size,than i said at what size im now(he didnt believed!), well i convinced him,he just laughed and couldnt believe what he had seen!Now he acts way different when talking to me.Everybody from my neighbourhood noticed that i act and talk more confident than before.It realy changed my life.Keep it up guys,and thanks DLD of this free PE forums(i dont have credit card,if i had one i would donate MOS).Effort pays off.

[profesionalac]

I Agree with Quijjiboo that If u want to gain u have to work for it.Guys like AlloyCG claiming that they gained 1 inch in 3 months on everyday clamipng routine makes me wonder!I gained .125 inch. in 3 weeks in 7 on 3 off routine,more than with 2 on 1 off ,which was my previous routine.Hard work,and gaining dick size has nothing to do with bodybuilding.Spongie tissue is not a muscle,its something that needs to be streesed properly in order to be enlarged,and that wont happen if you dont stress it well(if u have a lot of rest periods),because our body tends to get back to its previous state,and it will if you allow that!Thats the point.African tribesman are putting rings around their necks for like everyday 24 hours,and with time they have larger necks,that wouldnt happen if they were wearing them just 2-3 hours a day.Corect me if i am wrong!

[REDZULU2003]

I hope pe never become mainstream, cos I kinda done want every man getting into it, or indeed knowing about it.....the sudden mainstream interest would make some guys in pe VERY WEALTHY but I dont agree with all that, cos EVERYONE in the forums gives to the pe, without the forums all them years ago with the 1st ect than pe wouldnt have evolved like it has....but putting it mainstream would be a big fuck you to all the guys [normal ones] like me, who have fead forums with so much info and than that is having money made from it....thats what would happen, some trat would see a quick money makeing scheme and go for it....nah keep it on the net in the forums and AWAY from everywhere else....its a great brotherhood we have here, think about it, it would be pissed down the drain if it went mainstream...every cunt would know and more would do it, it wouldnt be as fun anymore so guys LIKE ME would stop messing with forums and do it in their own home, away from all the pretend money makeing hype.

[jmacbling]

This is a very interesting thread, I for one would like P.E to say unknown mainly because the less people that do it the lower the average size will be. I really have no idea if it'll ever become mainstream and i hope if it does it won't be in my lifetime. But who knows, i mean like five years ago the only stuff you could find on P.E was like a 2 page manual off some random website and know theres matters of size, basically a only community of people all dedicated to growing their dicks. If in only five years it's grown this much I would imagine the trend will continue all though i don't know how much. yeah just figured i'd say my peace

[pyro]

This guy has hit it dead on or, damn close to it. People are lazy by nature. Especially the male species ;) Anyone here ever been to a Network Marketing Pep Rally?? I've been to a few (then I saw the light thankfully!) and, it's amazing....you can get a crowd of 50,000 people all excited and hyped up about all the money they can make if they 'just' go and "recruit an army" of people to "join their business" and such. Everyone is excited...theyre all making "life changing decisions" ....they're all telling their upline about how theyre getting right to work on "building their business" when they leave and, go home. 24-72 hours later.....99.99999% of them have done nothing. 50,000 people who were so excited about becoming wealthy....and, maybe 5 of them actually got busy doing anything. It's just human nature. Real motivation comes from within. PE IS already public knowledge. Tons of infomercials for pills, radio ads for pills, spam emails (my mom loves hearing how she can add 3 or 4 inches to her penis)...every adult site you 'stumble' across has penis enlargement site links....how much more public could you get? Besides the President getting on the air and saying "My fellow Americans....Penis Enlargement works! I do it myself, and the first lady has never been happier!" I've said this and so have many others....it's like exercising. Any of you remember the "Health Craze" of the 1980s'??? Everyone was excited about getting healthy. People were exercising like never before nationwide....shoe manufacturers were coming out with new, innovatave running shoe designs...hell, there were even TV show series totally about exercise (Fame)! Guess what? A decade later we're still the most obese nation on the planet per capita. Even if PE were somehow made easy one day....to the point where all you really had to do was swallow some magic beans....there would still be those men...great numbers of them...who wouldnt do it. Not the ones who were truly satisfied with their sizes....they do really exist.....but, the ones who were frustrated and disgusted with having a small or average penis....hell, you could pour the pills in their mouth for them and theyd still spit the pills in your face and declare you crazy because their doctor said this stuff doesnt work. Anyway. My whole point before I got off on this wild rant was that, no matter how PE progresses...no matter how much it's advertised to work....it's WORK...thats the big secret of PE....W-O-R-K!! People hate doing anything even resembling work unless they HAVE TO DO IT to survive.

comparing P.E detication to network marketing is a perfect example of how lazy people are even if they know they can acomplish a goal of a bigger penis or lots of money

good post bro

[REDZULU2003]

comparing P.E detication to network marketing is a perfect example of how lazy people are even if they know they can acomplish a goal of a bigger penis or lots of money

good post bro

Thats a superb example still

[doublelongdaddy]

Again, I was going to come into this thread defending my position on freedom of information but it seems we all have one mind here. Keep it up people!

[BigMiller]

Do you think Penis Enlargement should be available and accessible to everyone or do you think it should be kept in secret among the select few that know about it? If you fear it being public knowledge explain why. I will reserve my thoughts until I hear some of yours.
It IS available to everyone... If you really want to learn PE you can.
I like it the way it is. There's no need for extra advertisment.
But I wouldn't mind if there would be.

BM