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Supra
03-22-04, 09:36 AM
First I have started HCG and Clomid and IGF-1LR3

1000iu's every 3rd day for HCG for a total of 20000IU and then start std. clomid regimen day after last HCG shot.....300mg first day 100mg next 10days and 50 mg last 10days Repeat

20mcg's IGF-1LR3

Supra's Testicle Heath (http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3298)

Ball Jelqing Advanced

Testicle Massage

2 Ring of Powers

I need to get like this

Goal Size (http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5777)

I am doing this casue my balls hang really good, but they need to be bigger and heavier and fill up my sack more than they do from all the stretching that I did.

9cyclops9
03-22-04, 09:45 AM
I remember this from Supra:


I take no supplemets at this time. Exept a Mulit every 4 days.


:D

Supra
03-22-04, 09:59 AM
Yea, and then I became a drug addict:D

Were is that latex?:D

fallen_one23
03-22-04, 03:14 PM
I think I might've been the one that asked him that, must be able to see the future or something, cause Supra is a mad scientist now!

ctmwm
03-22-04, 06:54 PM
I dont care how good it works JR and the boys aint ever getting any needles PERIOD!!!

wants9
03-23-04, 01:16 PM
You think balls that size can be gotten manually, with no drugs?

Ulcasterdropout
03-23-04, 01:39 PM
Ever try Nolvadex?
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/par25.htm

Supra
03-23-04, 01:53 PM
Nolvadex surpresses IGF-1LR3

philadelph
03-23-04, 02:04 PM
Supra: The titles of your threads crack me up!

Nolvadex may lower output of natural Igf-1, but not additional Igf-1lr3.

Also, using the HCG and clomid will not permanently make your balls bigger would it? I don't think so.

magnumforce
03-23-04, 02:13 PM
Supra, it seems that estrogen inhibitors can alter the release of HGH and therefore IGF-1. Now if you take IGF1R3, you can take nolvadex as well.
There's no way you can get a macroorchidism without powerful drugs.

Supra
03-23-04, 02:13 PM
With the amount of it I am taking and going to keep taking, and then with the Ring of Power, and my testicle health, then the IGF-1LR3 which creates permanent gains, it will.

magnumforce
03-23-04, 02:23 PM
What about injecting IGF2 into the sack?

Supra
03-23-04, 02:32 PM
You mean IGF-1LR3? Not going to happen

9cyclops9
03-23-04, 07:11 PM
You think balls that size can be gotten manually, with no drugs?

I'd like to know that also.

Supra
03-23-04, 07:13 PM
Yea you can, ROP and Testicle Health, but I like drugs!:D

Zol
03-23-04, 10:23 PM
Dude, I only just noticed this thread, but I have to say I am a very concerned about the amount of hcg your using there. 5000iu in one go is nuts. You can do some serious damage to yourself there. To much gonadatropin in one go can cause your testicles receptors to overload and desensitise to the stuff permanently, meaning that you natural test levels will never fully recover because your testicles wont respond to your naturally produced luteinising hormone. No amount of clomid can fix this. That is a serious risk man, It can also lead to serious ball ache. 25000iu of hcg in 15 days is WAAAAY too much. Most BB agree that a sensible amount is 500iu per day or 1000 iu every other day.

In the short term you balls will no doubt get huge, especially combined with clomid, but in the long term they will shrivel to raisins because they will become useless.

Please reconsider what your doing. I know how much you balls mean to you.

magnumforce
03-24-04, 03:22 AM
Supra, sorry for the typo, I was talking about PGF2, a prostaglandin compound. It produces a local anabolic response. But forget it, way too risky.
Zol, I guess Supra meant 2500 ui in 15 days.

magnumforce
03-24-04, 04:39 AM
Apparently, I suffer from a condition called hyperspermia! My cum volume after a few days of abstinence is around 15 ml. It's supposed to be under 5 ml! I'm sick then... but I'm not complaining, neither does my gf (and my ex I still fuck)

Supra
03-24-04, 09:00 AM
Dude, I only just noticed this thread, but I have to say I am a very concerned about the amount of hcg your using there. 5000iu in one go is nuts. You can do some serious damage to yourself there. To much gonadatropin in one go can cause your testicles receptors to overload and desensitise to the stuff permanently, meaning that you natural test levels will never fully recover because your testicles wont respond to your naturally produced luteinising hormone. No amount of clomid can fix this. That is a serious risk man, It can also lead to serious ball ache. 25000iu of hcg in 15 days is WAAAAY too much. Most BB agree that a sensible amount is 500iu per day or 1000 iu every other day.

In the short term you balls will no doubt get huge, especially combined with clomid, but in the long term they will shrivel to raisins because they will become useless.

Please reconsider what your doing. I know how much you balls mean to you.


I just did 5000 for the first day, I am fine no problems. Today I did 2500. Saturday I will do 1000. Then Monday I will do 500 the rest of the time I am on it.

Supra
03-24-04, 09:27 AM
Hey Zol, I did 5000 monday and 2500 today, I will not take that much anymore. Do you think that i already permantly fucked my self up? Casue I feel great!

Zol
03-24-04, 09:31 AM
Phew. That sounds better. I was just worried you were going to do 5000iu every 3 days for 15 days. That would be a overkill. Once you get down to 500 iu it would probably be best to do them ed from then on to be more effective.

good luck

Zol
03-24-04, 09:49 AM
No, I doubt you have done much damage with the first and second shots, you would have if you had continued at the levels you put in your original post. You will be ok because we stopped this early.

Just imagine, you balls get blasted with a massive 5000iu of hcg they start working serious overtime for a few days and then get blasted with another massive amount while they are only just getting over the last one. Your balls are pretty delicate things and can only work at such a level for so long, The only way for you balls to adapt is to desensitize to to the massive amounts LH & HCG. This desensitizing is permanent.

500iu every day is a nice safe amount that will definitly make your balls bigger.

Sorry to scare ya mate, just worried about a fellow bro. drop me a message if you have any more questions and stuff

Supra
03-24-04, 09:52 AM
Yea man thanks a lot, I was almost in tears and really afraid man. Man I was scared, good think I read this and thanks to you man, a lot!!

Zol
03-24-04, 10:01 AM
no problem at all. btw, how long do you have left of the IGF-1? Im really looking forward to the final results day

Zol
03-24-04, 10:04 AM
BTW. make sure you have some Nolvadex on hand just in case signs of gyno show up. HCG being a femal hormone is aromatising.

Supra
03-24-04, 10:13 AM
no problem at all. btw, how long do you have left of the IGF-1? Im really looking forward to the final results day

This IGF is a on going process, I am off it right now, and will start again April 1st. You have to cycle this stuff.

Supra
03-24-04, 10:14 AM
BTW. make sure you have some Nolvadex on hand just in case signs of gyno show up. HCG being a femal hormone is aromatising.


The Ring of Power takes care of that for me, I get no estrodial side effects with the ring of power

Zol
03-24-04, 11:12 AM
So, have you finished your first ml of it then? I know that it should be done 4weeks on 4weeks off but I didnt know you were doing another lot. How many ml's did you get? You must be loaded with cash. I can only afford 1ml of it at the moment. Do you have results for the first 1000mcg to publish. cheers

magnumforce
03-24-04, 11:39 AM
Sounds a lot Supra. Have you ever measure your cum volume?
What is ROP?

Supra
03-24-04, 06:24 PM
So, have you finished your first ml of it then? I know that it should be done 4weeks on 4weeks off but I didnt know you were doing another lot. How many ml's did you get? You must be loaded with cash. I can only afford 1ml of it at the moment. Do you have results for the first 1000mcg to publish. cheers

I have IGF aftershock, which is when you get off it, it keeps working

Supra
03-24-04, 07:25 PM
My balls are blowing up right now, man I love my ROP and my Drugs in perfect combo!!

Supra
03-26-04, 07:15 PM
The HCG is making my balls hang a lot lower, and I have not been wearing my Ball Weights in a week so far

Zol
03-26-04, 08:24 PM
Yeah, it does that. Nice huh. Have you considered taking tribulus aswell?. It can help to almost double you natural test levels. combined with hcg in the right doses and clomid you will have the ultimate ball dropping cocktail. I always use tribulus for my pct and it helps a ton.

Supra
03-27-04, 04:54 PM
I will get some

ctmwm
03-28-04, 07:58 AM
Hey Supra, I'm sure you have but did you ever try ball pumping? There used to be a hole bunch of guys at a site that only pumped and had pretty good gains. There is that site Monsternuts (http://www.monsternuts.com/)

Why do I feel like I just gave him the site addy to his next exhibit at the PE museum? OH BOY! Sorry Sup

ctmwm
03-28-04, 08:01 AM
Yeah some of them look nasty pumped up but after the swelling goes down it leaves you hanging longer in the sack!!

Supra
03-28-04, 09:20 AM
Yeah some of them look nasty pumped up but after the swelling goes down it leaves you hanging longer in the sack!!


Permantly?

Supra
03-28-04, 10:48 AM
I just finished my first week of 10,000iu's of HCG, I am gonna do another 10,000 and hit 1000iu's a day for 10 days, then start the clomid therapy

Hush! I know I am a drug addict! I cant help it!! ROFLAMO!!... Damn were are thoise needles

Supra
03-29-04, 05:04 PM
My last Run, today I am doing 100-'iu's for the next 10 days, that will ahve been a totall of 20,000iu's so far.

I also start my IGF-1LR3 Tonight

wants9
03-29-04, 05:18 PM
Hey, Sups, about how big were your balls before you started the drugs, and how big are they at present?

ctmwm
03-29-04, 08:11 PM
Permantly?
Thats what they claim. Kinda looks to be true too. I have been half following them for a few years now. Monsternutz used to be just a regular guy that was posting around the yahoo groups then went full blown after getting a manufacturer to make his own gear he started selling them and does pretty well from what a friend told me.

Supra
03-30-04, 03:56 PM
I have started my clomid today, here is my cycle

300mg (split over 3 doses) for day 1
100mg per day for 10 days
50 mg per day for 10 days

WideAwake
04-02-04, 01:23 PM
Ah...

Most studies show permanent damage to leydig cells (produce LH in the testes) at doses over 500iu every other day.

Um...1000iu a day?

What were you thinking bro?

You need to do a lot more research man.

A lot more before you try any of this stuff again.

Supra
04-03-04, 02:23 PM
Ahh well, I am not taking anymore, you can always reverse damage, I really doubt that I did any at all. My nuts seem to be fine, plus I am on IGF and Clomid. That will fix anything

goldmember
11-25-05, 09:27 PM
BTW. make sure you have some Nolvadex on hand just in case signs of gyno show up. HCG being a femal hormone is aromatising.
How can HCG aromatize? It isn't even a steroid? And if it's a female hormone, it would already have aromatized...do you know what you are talking about? You are giving advice like you are a medical professional, and if you are, you should be ashamed. HCG can POSSIBLY cause gyno, but it is in no way related to it "aromatizing"...thinking of HCG aromatizing makes me cringe...it isn't even a steroid!! And testicles CAN recover from being desenitized; where did you get this information???

HRTguy
03-20-06, 08:48 AM
Goldmember,
HCG significantly increases testosterone, which of course can aromatize. HCG also upregulates the aromatase enzyme. This combination can easily cause gyno in those who are sensitive.

HCG overuse can also cause significant HPTA shutdown. HCG mimics LH, and as such your GNRH production will experience a negative feedback loop. This can make a man hypogonadal in as little as 3 weeks. Of course they don't realize it because as long as you are taking HCG you feel great and your body is producing testosterone. Once HCG is discontinued testosterone levels drop down to near 0.

There is a lot of information on these compounds on different bodybuilding boards. Check out Anabolicminds.com.

goldmember
03-20-06, 10:46 AM
I guess I really wasn't taking into consideration how people use it in high doses for a long period of time. I was thinking of it as a form of PCT, where it is used for a max of two weeks at a moderate dose. You shouldn't see any gyno or significant HPTA shutdown if used as I described, but you are absolutely right in what you said.

Goldmember,
HCG significantly increases testosterone, which of course can aromatize. HCG also upregulates the aromatase enzyme. This combination can easily cause gyno in those who are sensitive.

HCG overuse can also cause significant HPTA shutdown. HCG mimics LH, and as such your GNRH production will experience a negative feedback loop. This can make a man hypogonadal in as little as 3 weeks. Of course they don't realize it because as long as you are taking HCG you feel great and your body is producing testosterone. Once HCG is discontinued testosterone levels drop down to near 0.

There is a lot of information on these compounds on different bodybuilding boards. Check out Anabolicminds.com.

desiel_dick
03-20-06, 03:12 PM
wow this shit is crazy...you guys are extrem as hell stickin needles in your nuts.....wow...

goldmember
03-21-06, 06:49 PM
actually, it isnt in the nuts. i wouldnt doubt if someone has though. crazy fuckers.