IGF-1LR3 Causes Amazing Results!!.. 2 month Evaluation...

[Supra]

As I told you guys I got a lot of bad side's from the Anabolic Steriods I took, it gave me horrible ance, shrunk my penis and nuts, and I lost a lot of hair and tons of other problems, liver, kidneys and thinks like that. Well this stuff is regrowing it and it is growing faster and thinker, and the hair that feel out it is comming back. It is vary apparent, casue people are asking me why my hair is getting thicker and thicker. I just tell them its the IGF and that is the only way, my friends also say I look bigger and taller and I guess I do feel taller, so I am just going to believe it and mabey measure after a year of this stuff. I was 5'10 before I started.

I am taking 20-30mcg's a day and thats it and I am rocking it bad! All of the bad sides that I got from Steriods are being reversed. Even my acne that I do have is going away casue of the tissue regeneration, and any scars on my body are fading faster, especially on my face.

My skin looks more healthy, thicker and has a glow to it. Just looks very good, soft yet firm, and I have had a lot of skin tighting. This stuff is really reversing the aging process. Even though only 21, I can tell a huge difference, I mean come on, this is the most powerfull growth factor you can put in your body.

Muscle mass is way up, vasuclar and getting very lean and hard. Striation's on my Delts and Chest. Body seems to just be getting bigger and thicker and i feel really strong. I started at 175 and am now 185lbs. Can Curl 45's 10-12 times, chest benching 225 8-10 times, calves 500-700 8-10 times. Squats, casue of precautions for my knees I stay with 225 and just do perfect form, legs gettting thicker though. My knee does feel better and joints, this stuff fixes that as well.

At first I though that it was making me break out casue the day i started it, i started protine shakes with milk, and milk and whey protien, I am allergic to it, and makes me break out, once I stoped, it all when away and has been improving sense then.

Place of injection Mainly calves and Biceps, experniceing more hyperplasia and trophy in those area's due to the local plasia that happens with IGF.

Penis growth, have gained .5" on length since I have been on it and about .1" on girth. My balls are getting bigger, as IGF is used in reversing testicle atrophy which I did have, due to the increase in LH in my testicles. PE Workouts consits of Supra Big cock and Ball Sandwitch and a lot of BE, and DLD Pulse 110's, my personal favorite.


I have not seen any extremeity bone growth though, have not seen any thickining of the jaw, forehead, or brow forearms, which are common sides of the HGH and IGF, if you are OD'ing on them.

I feel great all day and have a euphoria level were I cannot get upset or mad, all I can do is laugh at stuff, very cool. I feel great mentally and physically, better than I ever had in my life.

I am going to contiune for another 3 weeks and then take off for 4 weeks and then start again.

What else am I doing.

1. Workout 5 -6 days a week, will be cutting down to 5 soon
2. I take 100mg of clomid everday till April 8th, then 50mg's till April 18th, then do this
200 mg a day for 1 week 4 pills
100 mg a day for week 2 2 pills
50 mg a day for week 3

3. Wearing my Ring of Power
4. Not wearing any ball stretchers casue I am working on getting them bigger, they hang low enough right now, between 5"-6" all the time on a warm to hot day
5. Eating a good amount, not ever the top, but keep myself feeling good.
6. No Cardio for me, I loose to much mass
7. DID 15,000iu's of HCG so far, and thats all I am gonna do.
8. Still taking Cialis, and works like a charm, I cut down from 25mg to 12.5 and still the same results and I save more cialis and money.
9. Taking Mulit Viatamin Drink "Emergen-C" Multio Drink, gives great energy boost and your body absorbs it all the way.
10. Sleeping 6-7 hours a day.

Here is my Diet

Breakfast
Cereal, Fruit, Juice and a Banana

Lunch
Quiznos Large Subs, with chips a drink and a choclate chip cookie
or any deil food for that matter, or I go to Chilies and have the Fajita Quesadialls. With Rice, beans, and Sour Cream. And a desert.

I eat a desert everday pretty much, I have sweet tooth!

Snack
P&J Sandwith, or should I say my BC&B Sandwitch

Dinner
Chicken, Beef entree, vegetable
or
Beef Taco Ring, Mamma's Greek Cookin, ALL good Stuff

No Proten Shakes at all.

[slayman]

thats great. you dont seem to be getting any bad side effects. keep us posted

[Cybershot]

Wow, sounds like a miracle drug. Do you have to inject the IGF or do they offer it in an ingestible form (pill, liquid, etc.) as well?

[Supra]

Only IGF injectable works, there is no other form. It is re-combatted DNA and is made in a Lab. Supplents cannot mimic this, it is simply not possible.

[Yves]

Supra,

This is really great news, I'm glad you don't have any side effects. Must be a very good product (high quality product).

Yves

[ElCapitan]

Sounds great Supra. Glad to hear all that positive stuff. Man if that stuff could be taken orally or something else I would even want to try it. But I get freaking scared just thinking about needles.

[Supra]

Man I dont know why needles dont scare me at all. I just dont care lol, If I can shoot needles in my penis, then that is probbably the ulimate test to see if you really dont care about needles. They just dont bother me at all. I dont know why

[ElCapitan]

Where did you found out about this shit Sup? Where do you get your needles stash lol.

[Supra]

GO look in the health forum its a sticky that I have, its called "Get all your theraputicles here" That is were I get all my stuff

[Supra]

My room looks like a PE'res theraputicals, Equipment, Heaven, I got Needles and Syriges scattered about, bottles here, vialis there. Cable clamp, rings, bibs and all this other crap just lying about, then I got a little fridge/freezer were I keep all my thereaputicals cold.

[9cyclops9]

Supra is one crazy mutha WATCH YO MOUF!!!

Man that's great to hear. I'm glad you're doing so well with this.

[philadelph]

That is awesome man, you got me feinding for some IGF now!

[Shafty]

Great to hear that it's working well for you, Supra!
I MIGHT be interested in trying this stuff out sometime in the future, too. First I'll just let you play the part of the guinea pig to see what the long term effects are! :D

[philadelph]

What gauge needles are you using? 27? And you did succesfully order from muscle research?

[Ulcasterdropout]

Man, I can't wait to get some of this stuff!

[Supra]

What gauge needles are you using? 27? And you did succesfully order from muscle research?


I am using 30 gauge insulin needles, and I did get it from muscle research

[Supra]

Well Phily, I just went to Walgreens, and since this is Texas I bought my Needles over the counter, gawd, what is this world comming to! I got 10 for $4, kinda pricy for needles, so I am waiting for my others to come it. I get 100 for a lot less

[philadelph]

That's awesome. The great state of Texas. Yeah you gotta add the new needle site to the "Therapeutical" list.

[Supra]

That's awesome. The great state of Texas. Yeah you gotta add the new needle site to the "Therapeutical" list.

Dont you just love the word "Therapeutical" ? I am only going to use "Therapeutical" from now on when talking about "Therapeuticals":D

[philadelph]

It sounds so much better than those nasty "drugs" you were using.

[Supra]

What? Drugs? I never heard of those, I just use Therapeuticals and I get them from here!

http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?p=49559#post49559

Yum, Therapeuticals!:D

[Dagger]

Supra, your saying scar-tissue fades away? Totally? How big scars? I got a HUGE operation scar on my belly, 9 inches long, 2/8-3/8 inches wide, really visible. Think it could help that go away?

[forgiven]

Hey, bro I was just wondering what do u buy from Nexous?

[Supra]

Supra, your saying scar-tissue fades away? Totally? How big scars? I got a HUGE operation scar on my belly, 9 inches long, 2/8-3/8 inches wide, really visible. Think it could help that go away?


Well I have this 5" one on my right arm that was from knife, when I was doing knife fighting in the Marines, and it is fading fast. Iwas really nasty but I can barley tell it is there anymore.

[Supra]

Hey, bro I was just wondering what do u buy from Nexous?


I get My HCG From them, and Arimedex that I used to take

[Coolah]

Supra, you are looking great man, better than I have ever seen youi before, even when You were at your best, this tops that. Everything that you had mentioned I really can tell, cause I have told you that I could see the stuff changing on you. Especially your hair, it is getting a lot thicker and your muscle mass is amazing. I cannot vouch for you PE gains. Although I have seen the pics on here! Even though I would never take this stuff, I dont have a reason to, but you on the other hand do. I remember how mess up you were from the Steriods, that is all you would talk about, and I was sad, but now you are better than ever. Great Job man.

[forgiven]

what do u get from pump and pose? Synthol, LOL

[Johnny Cage]

You should be able to buy needles legally in any state.

[Johnny Cage]

Supra, im curious about your experiences with anabolics and MPB (male pattern baldness), and the IGF-1LR3. Are you seeing regrowth in areas where you previously lost hair?

[Johnny Cage]

Bros - please be careful about ordering from Chemical Reserach sites. A big one just got busted about a month and a half ago. The owners were being investigated for Tax Evasion (which prompted the DEA search). The feds siezed the lists of anyone who ever ordered their products - my name included. And have been paying trips to customers in the Louisiana and South Texas area. Honestly, the feds have little knownledge or authority on the products - as long as you Do not consent to searches. There are also quite a few fake research sites out there.
Please PM about the legimatcy of your research site if you have any questions.

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METAIRIE, La. -- Investigators have arrested three people and the probe is expanding after chemicals were seized Tuesday in what officials are calling the largest drug bust in the history of the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office.

Edward Barton, 27, Natalie Barton, 25, and Christopher Durel, 26, face charges that include possession with intent to distribute an illegal substance, possession of a controlled substance and operating an illegal lab.

Tuesday at about 10:30 p.m., agents with the DEA and the Jefferson Parish Narcotics Unit, and members of the Jefferson Parish Fire Department and the U.S. Postal Inspector's Office confiscated more than a dozen containers from the home in the 4700 block of Tabony Street in Metairie. Hazardous materials crews were then brought in to help clear out the house.

Investigators said the Bartons were selling the substance GBL -- a precursor to the date rape drug GHB -- out of the home and over the Internet. The Bartons allegedly were operating under the company name NuRave Inc.

In addition to the chemicals, agents also seized marijuana from the home, Sheriff Harry Lee said.

The Bartons have a 3-year-old child. It was not immediately clear whether the child was in the home at the time of the arrests.

Investigators are analyzing computer data and customer lists seized in the raid, and more charges may be forthcoming.

Neighbors told WDSU NewsChannel 6 reporter Heath Allen that the residents of the home were new to the neighborhood, were friends of the homeowner and had moved in a couple of months ago. Neighbors said a man who lives at the home made his living selling a growth hormone.
Copyright 2004 by TheNewOrleansChannel.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed

[Johnny Cage]

Supra, im curious about your experiences with anabolics and MPB (male pattern baldness), and the IGF-1LR3. Are you seeing regrowth in areas where you previously lost hair?


Sorry unable to edit the prior post...
Specifically areas highly effected by the AS, temples, crown.
I currently use Topical Spirolactone 5% for topical DHT removal from androgens. Works well (i think)

[Bigd5903]

Yum, Therapeuticals!:D
HAHA. How long does a bottle of igf last? Would one bottle healp any? I'm debating on eventually trying it out after doin some more research but I don't really wanna be spending all this money if it's not worth it.

[Yves]

HAHA. How long does a bottle of igf last? Would one bottle healp any? I'm debating on eventually trying it out after doin some more research but I don't really wanna be spending all this money if it's not worth it.

Is it fair to comment in this way because it is expensive? You should thank Supra for sharing the results with us and even more testing the product.

Yves

[philadelph]

Bros - please be careful about ordering from Chemical Reserach sites. A big one just got busted about a month and a half ago. The owners were being investigated for Tax Evasion (which prompted the DEA search). The feds siezed the lists of anyone who ever ordered their products - my name included. And have been paying trips to customers in the Louisiana and South Texas area. Honestly, the feds have little knownledge or authority on the products - as long as you Do not consent to searches. There are also quite a few fake research sites out there.
Please PM about the legimatcy of your research site if you have any questions.

---

METAIRIE, La. -- Investigators have arrested three people and the probe is expanding after chemicals were seized Tuesday in what officials are calling the largest drug bust in the history of the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office.

Edward Barton, 27, Natalie Barton, 25, and Christopher Durel, 26, face charges that include possession with intent to distribute an illegal substance, possession of a controlled substance and operating an illegal lab.

Tuesday at about 10:30 p.m., agents with the DEA and the Jefferson Parish Narcotics Unit, and members of the Jefferson Parish Fire Department and the U.S. Postal Inspector's Office confiscated more than a dozen containers from the home in the 4700 block of Tabony Street in Metairie. Hazardous materials crews were then brought in to help clear out the house.

Investigators said the Bartons were selling the substance GBL -- a precursor to the date rape drug GHB -- out of the home and over the Internet. The Bartons allegedly were operating under the company name NuRave Inc.

In addition to the chemicals, agents also seized marijuana from the home, Sheriff Harry Lee said.

The Bartons have a 3-year-old child. It was not immediately clear whether the child was in the home at the time of the arrests.

Investigators are analyzing computer data and customer lists seized in the raid, and more charges may be forthcoming.

Neighbors told WDSU NewsChannel 6 reporter Heath Allen that the residents of the home were new to the neighborhood, were friends of the homeowner and had moved in a couple of months ago. Neighbors said a man who lives at the home made his living selling a growth hormone.
Copyright 2004 by TheNewOrleansChannel.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed

I am pretty sure Supra is aware of this bust that happened. I ordered from them as well but recieved no visit. But I am not from that area as you can see from my name. Did they search your place?

[Bigd5903]

I'm just asking a question

[Johnny Cage]

didn't search my place, and they wouldn't be allowed without premission. The agents paid people visits asking about nolvadex (an anti estrogen Rx drug - for post cycle AS use), I think they targetted large orders too (probably over 500$).
Most of us agree the tax evasion got them nailed - not what they sold neccesarily.

[philadelph]

HAHA. How long does a bottle of igf last? Would one bottle healp any? I'm debating on eventually trying it out after doin some more research but I don't really wanna be spending all this money if it's not worth it.


Supra would be better to answer this question but I will try since I am looking into this as well.

For 200 dollars you can get 1mg of IGF. This is 1000 mcg at 20-30 a day. If you use 30 a day, you got basically a month which is fine. If you go 20 a day you almost have two months. Even if the actual PE benifits are limited, this stuff will make your body look great. But if you did one month on one off at 20 mcg, you are talking about almost 3 months of supplementation for 200 dollars which isn't too bad.

[Shafty]

Supra would be better to answer this question but I will try since I am looking into this as well.

For 200 dollars you can get 1mg of IGF. This is 1000 mcg at 20-30 a day. If you use 30 a day, you got basically a month which is fine. If you go 20 a day you almost have two months. Even if the actual PE benifits are limited, this stuff will make your body look great. But if you did one month on one off at 20 mcg, you are talking about almost 3 months of supplementation for 200 dollars which isn't too bad.

Damn I wish I would've know about this stuff earlier... I would most definitely have put my 150 bucks on this rather than the transdermal
1-test/4-AD which I made the mistake of buying...

[Johnny Cage]

the 1-test/4-ad transdermal should have cost you 30$ Max
where did you get it?

[Supra]

Man, This stuff is good!

[philadelph]

Damn I wish I would've know about this stuff earlier... I would most definitely have put my 150 bucks on this rather than the transdermal
1-test/4-AD which I made the mistake of buying...


Also, in my opinion this stuff is serious shit. That fact of the matter is there have been no long term studies done to see potential harmful side effects. We don't really know what IGF-1 will do to us long term. It is not even approved by the FDA, which is the reason you can get it for "research purposes" It is a bit scary. If you take some weak androgens/prohormones we know the effects. Taking IGF-1 is a big decision and something to take seriously.

[Supra]

Which is why I am a crazy nut

[msustud]

I can curl 65 pounds each arm 8 times :)

[Supra]

I can curl 65 pounds each arm 8 times :)

Well I am glad this is not a lifting competiton

[9cyclops9]

Me too, because I'd lose miserably. For now anyway.

[Johnny Cage]

Supra, im curious about your experiences with anabolics and MPB (male pattern baldness), and the IGF-1LR3. Are you seeing regrowth in areas where you previously lost hair? Specifically areas affected by Androgens: temple, crown, etc.


bumped for supra

[philadelph]

I can curl 65 pounds each arm 8 times :)


I would love to see your excellent form when you do this as well.

[wants9]

philadelph's post got me curious. How long has IGF-1LR3 been researched?

[Supra]

Yes it is regrowing my hair that thinned while I was Steriods. THe whole head is re thickning

[Supra]

I have been getting a lot of pm's about "scar regeneration" The reason why id becasue IGF casues skin regeration and rejuvination, it activates collegen production a lot more, and that heals your skin.

[Supra]

Tons of info on IGF-1

http://dox.media2.org/barista/archives/000391.html

[awdbeast]

Stink! that link is gone, Supra. Can we get a repost?

Thanks!

[markandy]

i have been looking all over for a good source to buy IGF-1 but the only one available sells 5 Kits at $1650. Does anyone have a source from where i can buy smaller quantity.

[EVO]

http://www.anti-estrogens.com/anti-estrogens/Contact.asp?for=igf

[sikdogg]

Here's a better site...

http://muscle-research.com/main.asp?form_step=products

[player89]

Yo thanks for the link sikdogg

[sikdogg]

Glad you liked it... i've done business with them in the past and can say that their reputation for being a very reliable company with great service is well deserved. I just think their prices are a little on the high side. I can get Generic IGF for much much much cheaper.

[player89]

Well whats the difference between regular IGF and generic IGF? I was reading a bunch about IGF tonight and just want to get all the facts down and get some knowledge before I put this stuff in my body.

[prince Albert]

sikdogg,have you heard any feedback about omega labs?

[sikdogg]

Well whats the difference between regular IGF and generic IGF? I was reading a bunch about IGF tonight and just want to get all the facts down and get some knowledge before I put this stuff in my body.
The same difference between Asperin and generic asperin or Viagra and generic viagra...

[sikdogg]

sikdogg,have you heard any feedback about omega labs?
From what i've read... they sell Gropep so they should be good. People seem to like their service and their products but since i've never tried them i can't speak from personal experience.

[player89]

Sikdog I was wondering if you could hook me up with a link that sells IGF in 10 ml's instead of one big vial with 1mg... If you could I would greatly appreciate it oh and i also never got what generic meant...

[pepepe]

Sikdog I was wondering if you could hook me up with a link that sells IGF in 10 ml's instead of one big vial with 1mg... If you could I would greatly appreciate it oh and i also never got what generic meant...

generic means a cheaper version.

[sikdogg]

Sikdog I was wondering if you could hook me up with a link that sells IGF in 10 ml's instead of one big vial with 1mg...
Are you talking about getting IGF in 10 vials of .1mg versus 1 vial containing 1mg?? Gropep is prolly what you're thinking of... there aren't many that sell it that way...


If you could I would greatly appreciate it oh and i also never got what generic meant...
Generic is a non-branded version of a given drug or substance. They typically don't have the big name label but still contain the same active ingredients as the branded version. If you go to a local pharmacy, you have an option to buy Acetometaphine for your headache under the Tylenol brand or the local store version of it. They both work equally well but the store brand is much cheaper. If you look at the label contents, you will see that they both contain the exact same ingredients.

[prince Albert]

From what i've read... they sell Gropep so they should be good. People seem to like their service and their products but since i've never tried them i can't speak from personal experience.

cheers bud

[player89]

Are you talking about getting IGF in 10 vials of .1mg versus 1 vial containing 1mg?? Gropep is prolly what you're thinking of... there aren't many that sell it that way...


Generic is a non-branded version of a given drug or substance. They typically don't have the big name label but still contain the same active ingredients as the branded version. If you go to a local pharmacy, you have an option to buy Acetometaphine for your headache under the Tylenol brand or the local store version of it. They both work equally well but the store brand is much cheaper. If you look at the label contents, you will see that they both contain the exact same ingredients.
Yeah 10 vials versus 1 because I was on the bodybuilding forums and was reading an article about how you should buy it in smaller quantities rather 1 vial due to potency. Say after you add the solution into the 1 vial it loses its potency faster and needs refrigeration but if u have 10 vials you can add the ba to the 1 vial your using for the day or following days saving the other vials potency.

[sikdogg]

Yeah 10 vials versus 1 because I was on the bodybuilding forums and was reading an article about how you should buy it in smaller quantities rather 1 vial due to potency. Say after you add the solution into the 1 vial it loses its potency faster and needs refrigeration but if u have 10 vials you can add the ba to the 1 vial your using for the day or following days saving the other vials potency.
If you do more reading, i think you'll find that using Benzyl Alcohol (BA) as a preservative was not the best solution (although some still use it). Most are now using Acetic Acid (AA) as it provides the correct PH level to keep the peptide stable for extended periods of time.

The best solution is to buy it in powder form (without a preservative like BA or AA) and reconstitute using AA and Bacteriostatic Water. Here's a great write-up of how to do it by a very knowledgable bodybuilder on Anabolic-Review...


Reconstituting IGF-1 with white vinegar
I have noticed several posts lately wondering about a good method for reconstituting IGF-1 and a few posts about using vinegar/water to do so. I originally wrote this post at ****************, but since there seems to be a reasonable interest here as well, I will post it for those that might be interested.

I began using this method many months ago ... mainly out of impatience. I was out of Benzyl Alcohol, and while I had access to HCl, it wasn't accessible when I wanted to begin my Long R3 IGF-1 cycle. I decided to use plain ol' grocery store Distilled White Vinegar. I used the following, which has worked out really well for me....and the feedback I have had from others that I have shared it with has been positive so far. So here it is for anyone that is interested:

The calculation:
Distilled white vinegar is supposed to be standardized to ~5% acetic acid, which would make it 850mM. To get it to the recommended 100mM, you'd want 11.76% white vinegar (100mM/850mM = 11.76%). Since it would be almost impossible to draw out 11.76IU's, I round this to 12, which is certainly going to be close to our desired 100mM.

The filtering process:
I use off the shelf grocery store distilled white vinegar. In order to ensure safety, I filter it using .20u whatman filters. Here is the step by step for those that may not be familiar with filtering using whatmans. What you will want to have on hand before starting out is some sterile vials, some .20u whatman filters, some syringes and needles (I use a 10cc syringe, and .23 gauge 1" needles), and some alcohol swabs.

(1) First draw up about 10cc of the distilled white vinegar
(2) screw on the .20u whatman to the 10cc syringe (or whatever size you use)
(3) screw on a .23 gauge needle (or whatever size you decide to use)
(4) take your sterile vial, swab the top with alcohol, insert a needle for venting.
(5) Insert your syringe/whatman/needle apparatus and slowly push the 10cc's into the sterile vial.

Now you have safe vinegar to use for your reconstituting.

ALTERNATE METHOD - Alternately, you could simply mix your water and distilled white vinegar before filtering using about 7.5 parts of water per 1 part of distilled white vinegar. After mixing these together in this ratio, run the mixture through your .20u whatman as above. You will end up with a vial of dilutent this way that has the proper PH for use with your IGF-1.

Reconstituting:

How much water/vinegar you reconstitute with is going to somewhat depend on which LR3 IGF-1 you are using. Igtropin is shipped in 100mcg vials, which I usually reconstitute at 1ml(cc) per 100mcg vial (which will make the 10 mark on your insulin syringe = 10 mcgs). The gropep based IGF-1's are primarily shipped in 1mg vials, and I usually use 5ml for these (which will make the 10 mark on your insulin syringe = 20mcgs).
At any rate, what I do is:

(1) take an alcohol swab and swab the tops of my water, vinegar solution, and IGF-1 vials
(2) take a syringe with a 23 gauge, 1" needle and draw out .12 cc's of vinegar for the 100mcg vials or .60 cc's for the 1mg vials.
(3) next I take this syringe and draw out the water - .88cc's for 100mcg, 4.4cc's for the 1mg.

FOR ALTERNATE METHOD in lieu of steps (2) and (3) - Just draw out the desired amount of dilutent from your pre-mixed vial of
vinegar / water.

(4) next i poke the needle into the LR3 IGF-1 vial and dribble this solution down the side of the vial, avoid any direct spray on the lyophilized powder until all of the dilutent is in the vial
(5) using a gentle swirling motion, I reconstitute the powder.
(6) I stick the vial in the fridge and it is now ready for use.

Well, I think that about sums it up. Hope this helps anyone who may have been wondering about using vinegar to reconstitute. I would advise that if you end up using Igtropin, you seriously consider using this vinegar method. Igtropin and other dilutents such as BA do not get along well together at all.

RedBaron

[player89]

Yo sikdogg do you think this company would be legit to buy from http://www.anabolicreview-research.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=110&osCsid=7f6936b15d0d8502d8bab99216c33525