The Loose Skin theory / Hair theory?

[REDZULU2003]

I have been PEing for around 2 years now.
I have gained alright as well in that time.

But a bad side effect seems to be with me...........loose flappy dangly skin at the top of my penis [base], top of testicles.

I have to push this back whenever I want to show my full size.
PLEASE dont get MIXED up with the fat pad and this.
The Fat pad is an area of fat around the pubic region and is NOTHING at all to do with this.

Now with that point made:

What about the flappy skin?
Well, I have come to a conclusion that anything forwards after this skin is OLD GROWTH [Before NPE]; anything before [backwards] of this skin is NEW GROWTH [After NPE/Now].

The reason I think this is simple;I get a ruler and measure from the start of this *Flappy skin* back into the pubic bone, and I get an EXACT measure of what I have gained in BOTH erect and flaccid length.

It all makes sense as well, if ya think about it when ya NPE you are NOT stretching/working ya testicles are you? so when the penis grows more forwards in length the point where the testicles werre attached stays the SAME, alas THEY ALSO move with the old growth, when I say they move with the old growth I mean the skin that attaches itself from the testes to the penis and not the actual testicle sack itself.

It all makes perfect sense to me and would explain why I got this *loose flappy skin* their.
Its growth.

This is all just MY THEORY, all EXCLUSIVE to PridePenis once more.

But I cant understand why big gainers like DLD aint got this *baggy skin*?Maybe they do testicle exercise? Its the only way I can think of if this theory is right, to stop this *syndrome*.

I would like as MANY of you as possible to look at your penis'es in front of a mirror.
Do it flaccid if ya can, keep it all the same.
Look around the side of the base area near the pubic region.
Check for the flabby skin near the top of your testicles thats covering some of your cock.

If you get two fingers and push it back into the pubic region you will see this better, that you have it or not.

Just check and report back in this post with ya findings.

Also all of ya can you please answer this?

Have you noticed the flappy skin more noticible since NPE?

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not only do I get the *Baggy skin* but also another condition.....hair growing up the shaft of the penis.

I have noticed that nearly half of my flaccid penis is covered in hair.
I also noticed that where this hair ends, my *Baggy skin* does too.

So what is this hair?

Its basiclly from stretching.
Over time not only do ligaments and such stretch but also the skin.
The skin from the Pubic region, the bottom area to be precise is stretched downwards and than ends up growing on/into the new growth of the penis, alas thats why I get hairs now on my actual shaft.

I only get them on the top of my cock, A few bug hairs here and their.

What does it mean?
That you/I am growing.
Can also tell how much you have gained from measuring from the end of the hair growth to the Pubic bone, mathces the *Baggy skin* measurements.

Why mention this?

I mention this hair *Syndrome* as I think it is DEFFINATLY connected with the *Baggy skin* condition when you grow, so you know you'v grown and can also find out how much from these conditions.

What do the rest of you guys think????
Can you also do a test for me?

See if you got this hair growth as well, on the top of ya penis?

Thanks

[freakybig]

I have the hair but not the flappy skin. I have gained a little under 2 1/2" (2 1/2" fingers crossed for next measurement) length and 1" girth, but then again perhaps the methods by which you achieve your gains has some sort of correlation.

Ie. manual stretches creating more loose skin than jelqing? Just a thought.

Good theory btw.

[REDZULU2003]

Hi FreakyBig,
Yeah I agree with you abit on that, but I need more dudes to post what they have wuth regards to this, who knows maybe I am onto summut.

[ItsElectric]

I also have had loose, flappy skin at the base of my penis, I don't mind it.. Also has anyone else noticed that sometimes when they lay down on their back that their balls kinda "go up into their skin" I hope so.. Cause that's just odd for me.

-ItsElectric

[German Stallion]

Hi REDZULU2003...looking forward to more contact with you and support for MOS. About the extra skin. Boy, when I started this PE thing and did some pumping, suddenly I am "uncut." I mean it, man. It is really something. Totally, totally covered now. I had a more generous circumscision anyway, but now, I have a total foreskin. So, I did this thing you are talking about and I think you are right. I pushed that skin back to where it belongs and that is about the growth I have seen. When erect, the skin is gone and I am back to circumsized. With the growth in my girith and especially the glans, the foreskin is actually tight when flaccid. BTW, enjoyed the links to your pics. Very good looking cock you have there! GS

[RB2]

Yes I have had/had scrotum skin on my shaft, as well as hair. However, I've found that it can be held at bay by getting erect and stretching the skin back down. I do this occaisonally, when I'm able to sit around and beat it for a while... :)

[Gandolf]

I've definately got the same condition as you redzulu. Almost like my balls hang off the base of my dick rather than from my body. But I can still use all of my size during intercourse.

[WaxN]

RZ,
I don't have the flappy skin that you describe; however, I do have the hair growing up my shaft....only, I think I've always had it. In other words, long before I ever PE'd, I had hair up my shaft. I distinctly remember this because in my single days I had to shave that shit so I could wear a condom - or when I'd roll off the condom it would catch the shaft hair.....ever see a grown man cry???
I'm hoping the hair up the shaft doesn't get any worse for me or I'll look like I have a dog's cock!

[REDZULU2003]

how much have ya gained in pe?

[pole]

Hello to all!

I have both. The hairs don't bother me to much 'cause I'm shaving my balls and lower shaft since 15years(10years before PE) anyway.
But I have an other condition which I don't like and want to describe here:
Since I gained a total of approx.2" in length, I have this skin pushed forward on the TOP AND SIDES of my base everytime I have a blue steel erection. It looks somehow like an increased fat pad (but it isn't! Difference between BPEL/NBPEL is always around 1/2"). Plus my nuts get almost "sucked" in the body with such an erection!
Note: Me, beeing cut but having fairly loose shaft skin and still more of a grower (my average NBFL is about half of my BPEL on rest days!).

take care,

pole

[doublelongdaddy]

Originally posted by pole
Hello to all!

Good to see you posting Pole.

[teoman]

I noticed the same thing. My EL gain is nearly one inch and exactly the same length of hair appeared on my shaft. I always compare my ruler assisted gain measurement with the length of hair on my dick. They are always go in parallel. When it comes to testicle skin stuff, yes I observe the same thing.

[REDZULU2003]

Well this theory looks like its correct.
As for guys saying they saw hairs already on the bottom part, yea me too, I am talking about the top of the penis running down to the head area.
That area the top of the penis ya look down on, getting hairy along the shaft, thats from NPE.

[stillwantmore]

Well, I definitely have the looser skin from PE. When totally erect, I can pull the skin on my shaft up over my glans. I'm "cut" too. I dont consider it an issue though. I like it in fact because, I can masturbate without lube because the skin moving back and forth over my glans is enought to stimulate me.

[REDZULU2003]

I now have a picture of this condition on me

http://www.geocities.com/redzulu2003/TheFlappySkin.html

[German Stallion]

RED, I am the same way, have the extra skin, hides my really true flaccid size. I was cut longer than most anyway and now I have a totally covered glans. GS

[REDZULU2003]

Cool, so am not alone.
ATS [Aftertheshock] thinks that this skin thing , in my case is because of my big Girth to Length ratio, as my girth stat is nearly that of my erect one, it has done this to the skin, in the flaccid form.

When erect it aint as bad, still abit but not as........
He thinks that as I grow longer that the skin should spread out.

I think he has a fair point and it makes sense, how about you?

Also what is your erect girth and length? amd what was it before NPE/PE?

This is so I can see if you have a Big Girth to length ratio like me and that could be what is causing this.

[German Stallion]

I just hit 7 erect. Pushing for 8. My girth is 6 1/4. It is obvious that the erect state is going to stretch the skin, never thought of that before. So, the bigger girth, the looser skin. Flaccid, I am really wrinkled <grin>. If you didn't know, when I let the skin come down over the glans, I look totally uncut. The skin covers to cornea ring and folds down nicely over the end of the glans. Really different from what I have had all my life. It is not as convenient as being cut, IMHO. But, I get along. It appears I am not going to have the difficulty getting girth as much as length. DLD told me that after he hit 7 he really started to see gains, so I am hopeing. GS

[REDZULU2003]

Thanks for that.
Seems you have what I do.
Your girth is very near your erect length stat and that could be why the skin is like it is, similer to myn.

Or could it be an exercise we use?
Or a NORM of pe/npe?

I think the girth to length ratio, as I have talked to quite a few males and they aint got this and they exercise.

What you think?

[German Stallion]

I have purposefully not worked on girth, guess I am afraid to with what I already have. Maybe I should and let the length take care of itself, what you think? I think I could easily push my girth up. I can feel the "heft" beginning to blossom, if you know what I mean. It is just more engorged and feels bigger.

How do you like the extra foreskin, does it bother you. I frustrate about having to work more to be clean. I have been thinking about going back to some hanging. Have not done anything but light hanging. Made a carrier for the weights I have and do have a bib hanger. Tried the padlock. I sure wish there was a way or something made or that could be adapted to give an all day hang that was more weight than a padlock yet discreet to wear and comfortable. Something of a clamshell idea that was the right diameter inside that would not slide off the glans yet be easy to put on and off. Maybe someone can come up with it. I think if it was heavy enough it would really help to get that flaccid gain and keep out what we pull out. Your girth at the base was really awesome, RED.. Do you think you can pull out more?? GS

[MDC]

Red,
I have the same type problem. It's like the base of my penis isn't at my body where it should be when erect. It doesn't stop me from continuing, but it makes my NBP measurments hard to do since it's so hard to tell exactly where to start from. My NBP measurment hasn't changed noticably during the time I've gone from 7.5-8 BPEL.

On the underside, I've found that some ball stretching pretty much takes care of this by forcing the underside penis skin to grow more and allow the scrotum to hang from where it's supposed to. The method I'm using is described at Thundersplace in the "low hanging balls' thread.

[yetogrow]

Red,

Did you have something like this (but smaller) before PE or it's exclusively related to PE? If so can you judge at what girth it started to grow ?

[REDZULU2003]

Well firstly.
GS

I reckon I can get more girth yet, I HOPE SO :D
I havent really gotten much foreskin growth so It dunt bother me.

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MDC
Whats that exercise you do?
Does/Do you think it could help this *Problem* out?

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YetToGrow
I NEVER had this effect beofre NPE/PE. only after.
I can get exactly how much I have gained by measuring from where the hairs start on the penis shaft to the bone.
If I do this flaccid it tells me how much I gained flaccid and the same in erect.

[YGuy]

Yea I have both and it sucks. Tweezing works for the hair on the shaft, so thats not a prob. Not sure there's anything you can do about the extra skin though. I'm going to have to do something about the skin, when I'm done with PE.

[doublelongdaddy]

Originally posted by YGuy
Yea I have both and it sucks. Tweezing works for the hair on the shaft, so thats not a prob. Not sure there's anything you can do about the extra skin though. I'm going to have to do something about the skin, when I'm done with PE.

Good to see you YGuy!

[MDC]

Red,
The "exercise" I referred to for the "turkey neck" is ball stretching. Specifically, keeping them extended for long periods of time. That seemed to improve the length of skin on the underside of my penis allowing the scrotum to hang from further back. The method I use is described in the thread I mentioned at thundersplace.

[yetogrow]

Since not everybody gets it it seems that different people grow different parts of penis. I just wonder if it's genetics to blame or the choice of exercises.

[samzman]

i don't have loser skin from pe. i dont' know i try to go to the base of the dick and not touch the skin inbetween at all. i try to keep away from the skin to my nut sack because then it draggs up and hurts when i jelqu. so.......i dont' know if it's really bothering you if it's not too late already just try to jelqu above that skin thing. least that's what i think???:confused:

[oopapercutoo]

YetToGrow brought up an interesting point there...It could be that some people are genetically inclined to experience this, or it could just be the choice of exercises we perform in our routines.

I don't want to say either way, as I'm not very experienced with this theory at all. I can say this however, my skin is now a bit more slack since I've began PE'ing.

[REDZULU2003]

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[erm1981]

Hey well im nearly as big around as long also but and had sort of the same problem. I started stretching my nut sac when i do some manual stretches and it has seemed to be working.

[REDZULU2003]

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[REDZULU2003]

Anyone who has the skin and hair issue mentioned here than do the test I talked about and measue from the hair to the pubic bone and see if thats the amount of length you have gained since PE. Also same with the skin, read back through the thread if you must for detailed explanation.

[mike2003]

I now have a picture of this condition on me

http://www.geocities.com/redzulu2003/TheFlappySkin.html


REDZULA, I also have extra skin syndrome from pe. I'd like to see your picture, but your link is not working.

[PR69]

i too have the flappy skin and the hair on the bottom of that shaft, but what i think the cause of it is the dry jelqing that i did when i first started PE. I think that what i did was that when jelqing starting from the bottom of the shaft i would also pull the base skin along with the top of my balls with it too. Im almost sure that this is the cause of it.

[Cool_as_fcuk]

I noticed it, it seemed like common sense to me. You pull something, it stretches/moves. Then it eventually stays where you stretched/moved it to.

[goinfor11x7]

The loose skin part of your theory makes sense to me. The hair does not. I always had hair growing up the shaft of my penis.

[Chi]

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Good thread, and I also have the hairs crawling up my shaft, some on the top middle, more on the sides (Where I´ve been trimming since I got my first gains but they still grow) and I also think I have a bit of skin flap if I understood correctly.

My ball sack is the worst of all, my penis definately took some of the skin and I can even recognize how some scrotum skin is now in the bottom base of the shaft and the front of the sack seems more attatched to the penis than to the body.

[goinfor11x7]

Hey Red!!

Have you reduced your turkey neck at all since you started this thread. I also have some growing turkey neck--I guess from all the stretching. I also have a high girth to length ratio. The hair is also crawling further and further down the side of my shaft.

[goinfor11x7]

I'm thinking about buying one of those leather ball stretchers to reduce my turkey neck. Has anyone tried one lately? My balls hang low enough as it is, but that turkey neck is more prominent with my flaccid hang.

[Shadus]

Hello to all!



Hi Pole are you the Pole from the German Matters ? Good Work what you made on this Forum :) Respekt

[REDZULU2003]

All that time ago when I was one of the first ones here to notice it [back in 2003] and now we know it as ''Turkey neck'' and have cures, with various stretches that ammend it.

Precautions can be taken to avoid turkey neck that you pull the skin back always [foreskin if uncut] and when you jelq that you have it also pulled back, but keep a freehand at the base of the penis to prevent skin from the scrotum or anyother area getting pulled towards the glans.

At least now we understand this condition ALLOT MORE and shows how far we have come in 6 years!!!

[missionman]

yeah turkey neck is avoidable, and cureable, sure... but what about the other loose skin which you described looking like a fat pad - but not...

it's weird i saw this thread, as the past few days i noticed it on myself and was thinking what the fuck?... so is there a way to get rid or minimise this build up of skin? mine really is quite noticeable, as it sticks out almost a cm each side of my dick at the base.... not good!!

i've noticed though that it does dissapear easily when i stretch my balls down, but then it just comes straight back up again when i let go... would constantly doing ball stretches help with this?

[REDZULU2003]

The stuff that looked like a fat pad but isnt, is infact in my case part of that growth of skin that has been stretched from the base region downwards. Done by not pulling my foreskin back and poor jelq technique in my fresh days. I have fixed it much more now with regular use of dlds scrotum stretch (http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6917) and my trampolene stretch (http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50716) and a good thread can be found here (http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19104)on the subject.

[setiamon]

i too have the flappy skin and the hair on the bottom of that shaft, but what i think the cause of it is the dry jelqing that i did when i first started PE. I think that what i did was that when jelqing starting from the bottom of the shaft i would also pull the base skin along with the top of my balls with it too. Im almost sure that this is the cause of it.



That must be what caused it for me also,i only dry jelq,stretch and clamp.Will this issue resolve itself with gains?

[nickelsons]

Hello.

I created a Turkey Neck ,
doing Penis Enlargement exercises.

I did the PE exercises a few times for

bloodflow circulation.
Gains would have been nice, but not my

intention.

Some weeks after I stopped doing some

jelqing,
my scrotal skin slowly went to the sides of

my penis.

In the beginning my balls were hanging low

under my penis
and now the skin is up to the sides, next to

my thighs.

And during the weeks after that,
the scrotal skin went around my penis in a

cirkel, like you penis.

So skin that was under my penis is now

around and on the above part of the penis,

the part you see looking down.

This also comes with pubic hairs.

Not only does this effects your visual penis

size ,
it is also very uncomfortable!>:(

I am not circumsized!

Nothing to do with a tight cut.

___The thing is

Kong 1971, Bib, Redzulu and DLD gave some

stretching exercises to get rid of the

turkey neck or penoscrotal webbing, in the

forums.

they are all a bit different.

Basically everywhere I go I am seeing two

diferent types of advice:

1. Stretch the scrotum down while pulling

the glans up
(you are stretching the turkey neck skin with this one )

2. Grip the good shaft skin on the underside

and stretch in both directions


i tried DLD's testicle health and stretch

routine (1)
and in two weeks it got two times as

worse...thank you



i am now trying kong1971's simple reverse

erect stretch routine (2)
for two weeks now and no real results...

Some guys are asking about the results of

people who tried these exercises, but

litteraly nobody replies or has eliminated

there turkey neck.

So strange that this isn't happening.?:(

I think there should be one thread about the

turkey neck
and the correct way to fix
or get rid of the turkey neck.rofl

Also with guys starting with these exercises

to eliminate the turkey neck
and the progress
and hopefully a satisfying result.

i mean are there only like 10 people on

these forums of the 6 billion people?

let's get started and help each other!

greeting from the netherlands,

Nickelsons;)

[REDZULU2003]

Also Supra made a routine hanging to help with Turkey neck HERE (http://www.mattersofsize.com/forum/showthread.php?3716-New-Turkey-Neck-Buster-Hanging)

[doublelongdaddy]

Are you guys using your other hand to hold back the skin while stretching? This is so simple and ultimately the best way to prevent loose skin. I have always stretches this way and I have never had an issue with TN, even after gaining 4 inches. I will try to make a thread on this so guys know.

[jetsetter439]

^ that would be great DLD. i've read your article about eliminating turkey neck but I have also come across a few posters claiming that it contributed to additional turkey neck. of course it's very possible that they were doing the testicle stretches incorrectly. i am anxious to try your routine though. personally i don't have an insane amount of turkey neck, just a relatively small amount, but now that i know what it is.. it drives me effin' crazy! so much that i've decided to break from PE to try and reduce it. im actually quite paranoid about getting back into PE for fear that i might rehash any TN issues... and 'surgery' is a word that scares me but im confident there are other ways to reduce TN.

i really need some good advice on getting rid of this! RedZulu's 'trampoline stretch' seemed promising. i just dont want to end up adding *more* turkey neck!

[doublelongdaddy]

^ that would be great DLD. i've read your article about eliminating turkey neck but I have also come across a few posters claiming that it contributed to additional turkey neck. of course it's very possible that they were doing the testicle stretches incorrectly. i am anxious to try your routine though. personally i don't have an insane amount of turkey neck, just a relatively small amount, but now that i know what it is.. it drives me effin' crazy! so much that i've decided to break from PE to try and reduce it. im actually quite paranoid about getting back into PE for fear that i might rehash any TN issues... and 'surgery' is a word that scares me but im confident there are other ways to reduce TN.

i really need some good advice on getting rid of this! RedZulu's 'trampoline stretch' seemed promising. i just dont want to end up adding *more* turkey neck!

Sounds like you are exploring all you will need to avoid and hopefully correct this issue.

Rock and Roll

[jetsetter439]

i think its possible many circumcised guys have some instance of turkey neck just by the nature of what circumcision is (less foreskin.. additional skin will inevitably be borrowed from elsewhere).

who here had a bit of 'flap skin' where the scrotum meets the shaft even before PE?