Originally Posted by Captain.Thick Wow, this debate will never end will it ? My personal xp if that helps after 2 years of PE and 1 year and a half of BM : - Gained a little in 7 months of Jelqing/stretching only (about +0,5" length/girth) - Started using the BM only with the recommended standard usage for 6 months (20 min max, once a day, days off, entering flaccid). Did not see more gains from it(see below my opinion on that) - Mixed BM and other techniques (clamping / SSJ, Jelqs) after that and started ...