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    Smile Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    Hey,

    I just received my 1:200 tongkat ali order from tongkatali.org. I opened the first bottle (they don't ship in bags anymore) and had a whiff of a very very bad acrid smell. And the taste is... horrible, to say the least! I assure you that you even fear to burp afterwards, in case the smell and taste comes back up your throat !

    Good thing I have empty 00 gelcaps.. that's a lifesaver because I could never have coped with this. In fact, I'm finding the taste of 1:50 tongkat ali refined compared to the 1:200 ! lol

    I'm supposed to have enough tongkat ali to last approximately 180 days, for around 4 or 5 grams of 1:200 which should normally translate to 10 to 15 grams of 1:50 dose.

    I've been taking my last reserves of 1:50 tongkat ali for the last 3 weeks or so, with a dose approximately of 10 grams a day. I do also take cabergoline and bupropion for libido and shortening of refractory period, but Tongkat ali definitely does something to the genitals... it's almost always looking engorged now and hangs low, same with balls. I do get fuller erections, penis seems larger in hand, but no gain in length or girth that I can attest for as of now. But I think I will with time. But who knows ??

    Anyone wanna share experience with tongkat ali ?

    Fantome

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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    It's supposed to make your testo go up, are you feeling the effects?

    How did you get access to cabergoline?

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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    If I feel the effects of higher Testoterone ? YES! I'm pretty much more aggressive, dedicated, with a "if you push me I'll throw you on the wall" attitude. I drive my car faster, fuck my gf faster and harder, when I get angry, I feel manly, I look at women directly, much more bold, etc.

    I get higher libido, longer flaccid hanging penis (pretty much all the time), maybe bigger balls, but since they change size all the time, it's pretty hard to see "real" results. When erect, dick is oversized (not bigger, just attaining maximum penis erection enlargement), veins protruding and very visible, good sensations, larger loads, ...

    Above all this, all good sides and bad sides, I hope to obtain a permanent increase in penis size due to excess flow of testosterone into it, which should drive the androgen receptors crazy and to take more Test in so penis size WILL increase. But that is theory with no real medical studies to back this except with rats, but who cares, I think it will work. I "feel" like I have a bigger penis, but like everythink about Penis Enlargement, it takes time, but I hold onto this. And I also listen alot to Wendi Friesen Penis Enlargement hypnosis (bless that women) and I believe this will greatly help in the end, if not work on it's own. Been listening for the last week only.

    SO, tongkat ali does increase testosterone levels, but I personnaly think that 1 gram of 1:50 tongkat ali will never give you a bigger penis, become it does not raise it enough. Look at the different studies, you will notice test subjects were taking 0,25 or 0,5 or even 1 gram per Kg, which is alot. But these studies were with human subjects, ang gave results after 1 month of daily intake like... increse of 2cm circumference of bicep, 5% gain in lean muscle mass and 0 everywhere for placebo group... but no info on penis size. But if muscles GROW on Tongkat Ali without any effort, I'd bet my shirts that penis size WILL increase.

    You can buy cabergoline in alot of online pharmacies, surf a bit around but my preferred online pharmacy is definitely :

    www.elitenetpharmacy.com

    Dostinex - Brand name, costs alot
    Cabaser - Generic, costs much less

    Basic dose for restless syndrome, parkinson, whatever, is 0,5g per 3 or 4 days (twice a week). This deals goes :

    Cabaser (Cabergoline) 16 x 4mg tabs
    USD134.00

    Each 4mg pills contains 8 doses of 0.5g (being careful you can cut it in 4 pieces, I cut in 4 and get 1mg dose personally)

    So...

    8 doses * 16 pills = 128 doses of 0.5g ... you take them every three days...

    128 * 3 = 384 days !!! for 134 US... that is VERY cheap for the standard dosage.


    Hope this helps,

    I'll post some more once in a while to let you know if Penis enlargement CAN be obtained without any stretching effort

    I think it will.

    Cheers,

    Fantome

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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    "Basic dose for restless syndrome, parkinson, whatever, is 0,5g per 3 or 4 days (twice a week). "

    It's 0.5 mg ... not grams.

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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    "Each 4mg pills contains 8 doses of 0.5g (being careful you can cut it in 4 pieces, I cut in 4 and get 1mg dose personally)

    So...

    8 doses * 16 pills = 128 doses of 0.5g ... you take them every three days..."

    Replace all 0.5g by 0.5mg

    And you cut the 4mg pill into 8 pieces, not 4...

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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    Excellent, thanks! Could you give us a report on your cabergoline use also?

    Thought about trying Melanotan-II aka PT-141?

    As for penis size and testo, I think it's possible. Isn't the natural penis size determined by the number of DHT receptors in the penis? And testo aromatizes to DHT I think... I've also heard that some bodybuilders on anabolic steroids report increased penis size as a side-effect, albeit a rare one.

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    Talking Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    Hey to anyone reading this,

    Well, I have taken 1:200 tongkat ali doses since last week. I still have 8 35g bags of 1:50, but heck, I only make 10 pills of 1:200 instead of 40 ! Much faster.

    But, as things go, it's easy to take more than what I was taking on 1:50. My calculations on 1:50 gave....

    35 grams bag
    Give or take 115, 00 sized, pills to empty bag
    115 divided by 35 grams = 3.3 pills approx for 1g

    I was taking around 35 pills per day, which give around 10-12g of 1:50 dose of tongkat ali per day. Had many accountable "improvements"

    BUT, on 1:200 doses... hell, I'm doing 6-8 pill doses 2-3 times a day. Median is around 15 pills a day... Guess what, 1:200 to 1:50 is a ratio of approximately 1 to 4. So basically, my 35 pills a day should normally traduce it self to 35/4 = 8.75

    I take 15. That approximately does an equivalent dose of 18-20 grams of 1:50 tongkat ali. SO basically I doubled up dose for the last 4-5 days. Guess what ? I finally got some visible and feelable results. Sorry, I didn't grew 1 inch of penis length, lol.

    Penis is fuller in hand, I know it's "bigger" than it used to (I've been handling it for the 15 years, I know how it feels in my hand ), and heavier too but I cannot say how much or how, but I'd say it's definitely bigger, longer, maybe a bit. I lost my earlier in my life measurements, so I cannot compare :( . How to explain, it hangs much lower and seems puffed out. When I get an erection, it is almost as big as full erection but it's at only 25% angle and still soft, so my guess, there's more room to fill with blood.

    But my balls are definitely larger :D That rocks ! They do ache from time to time and get more warm and tingle, but I love the ache, that means something is working down there, something big hehehe They got bigger and don't hang as much, skin cannot stretch as much. Don't get me wrong, they did not doubled up in size... but maybe 50% bigger ? .... Also, that means that they are working overtime and probably flooding me with testosterone. I have way more energy and feel like Alpha Male. I'll get all the women and crush all the males.

    I also feel more muscle mass added (could be much more if I trained, which I don't at the moment). I measure this with pectorals, they have more shape and became much harder when I force them. Same with arms, biceps, etc. The feeling is very nice, exacly when you're 16-18 and discover your body power and potential.


    So, as of now, experience is great, and I still hope to get a huge dick out of this.

    And I think it works

    Fantome


    P.S. : sorry, I don't have any followup on cabergoline

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    Exclamation Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    Forgot to mention....


    It's important to NOT take that much tongkat ali in the beginning, good chance you'll be awfully sick. It took me 1 month (or more) approx to reach this dosing.

    I don't even get nausea anymore so it's all good for me.

    But please, if my posts encourages someone to take tongkat ali in very high doses, please, be prudent and gradually raise the dose.


    Fantome

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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    Keep us posted on your results.
    Start Dec '07---March '08---June '08
    FL 3.75--------4.25--------4.25
    FG 4.25--------4.25--------4.50
    EL 5-----------5.25--------5.5
    EG 5-----------5.1---------5.25
    Short Goal 6x5.5

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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    Interesting i want to know more!
    Winners never quit, Quitters never win. You'll only get out what you put in! so put in the time and effort so you can reap the rewards.

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    Heya,

    A few days since last post.

    Nothing more to say about Tongkat ali effectivement in enlarging balls or penis thus far. I wasn't able to measure up any penile length or girth improvement. But my balls are still bigger than what they used to be, though they did not get "bigger" since last time I mentionned it in this forum. I feel a little disapointed in fact in not seeing anything drastic happening... but no matter what, it was clear that a change would not come this fast.

    I stopped Bupropion for 4-5 days also, only cabergoline and Tongkat Ali. Libido is incredibly high... I'd fuck almost every woman I meet. Refractory period is almost down to 0, and that's a MAJOR thing in my opinion... Last thursday (I think), masturbated 5 times to orgasm in a 3 hours span and let me tell you, at age 30, that's somewhat rare. Best thing is : I could have had more if I wanted to; I still felt a little refractory after orgasms, but it was very very mild... in fact, the 5th orgasm was as easy as the first, images of naked women coming very clearly to mind, very good. It's hard to describe if you know what I mean.

    Had sex with gf this weekend a couple of times. And had nothing in the last 2 days. Started bupropion last night also. I'm horny as can be right now, being turned on by almost every girl I cross here at the job.

    Anyhow, my penis is not low hanging of feel as full as when I started taking large amounts of tongkat ali. It's still "full", but I guess I'm getting used to tongkat. I have lowered my doses also. Now I'm at around 15 pills a day of 200:1 extract. Which roughly equals 15 grams of 50:1 doses. Higher than this and I will have to buy more in 2 months !!! Which I can't, so I'm slacking a bit. I still hope to get results...

    I also felt very tired all weekend, which may be related to me stopping bupropion, which is also a mild adrenaline reuptake inhibitor. I slept better.

    This is about all there is to say for now... I hope to have good news in the next few weeks.

    Just to illustrate why I am so willing to kill my refractory period, I'll try to post 2 videos of the guy I envy the most in the world right now... damn lucky bastard. If I find out how to post attachements, I am so very noob to forum posting.

    Fantome

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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    Ok, found it... lol

    It was too easy, so I couldn't find it

    But, as things go... videos are too large to upload them here. I'd need to either split them, or upload them in a fileshaering system or something. I'll figure something out since I'd like to share those videos with you guys. (most probably some of you have seen them, but not all of you).

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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    @Phantominfernal

    I'm glad to see you post and check out tongkat ali.
    I did a full indepth research on this years ago, but never actually took it myself
    because I couldn't afford to buy as much as needed for the desired effect.
    Its simply to expensive. On the other hand , everything said about it is true,
    and infact it will naturally enlarge your penis after longterm intake, in ways that it strengthens and thickens erection related parts of the penis, some parts more than the others..of course its no 1" not even a 0.5" gain in girth/length
    but maybe 0.1 to 0.3 but hey , while on it your penis will always perform
    at maximum natural size and with killer erections.

    Check out this Information wich will fill in knowldege gabs, if you havent done so already:

    Peace tbirdy

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    Superb sex with Tongkat Ali

    Version 5.1, January 2004 (rev.)

    This is a longer-than-average article. It deals with two important issues: the manner in which tongkat ali improves sex, and where to buy proper tongkat ali products.

    Both topics need clarifications.

    The manner in which tongkat ali improves sex has to be explained because people often have wrong expectations. With Viagra, you can just pop a pill, and an hour-or-so later, you are fit for (better) sex. Viagra works on penile plumbing. With dopaminergics, at least as novice user, you can produce a sexual kick, too, by just swallowing a tablet. It will have a hard-to-describe effect on sexually relevant neurotransmitters, or sexual wiring. In both cases the effect is direct. A measurable effect sets in after an hour, more or less.

    But tongkat ali works on testosterone levels and requires prolonged use, and even then, the best sex will still occur rather randomly.

    Guidance for the purchase of tongkat ali products is needed because most available products are grossly underdosed, and for some of those that are underdosed, exaggerated claims are made nevertheless. Unfortunately, it's never a long way from viable traditional medicine to quackery, and from quackery to gimmickry.

    Prudence dictates that one buys tongkat ali from a company that actually manufactures extracts, and is licensed to do so, and has been marketing health supplements for some time.

    What is tongkat ali?

    Tongkat ali is a herbal medication (in Malay referred to as "jamu") widely used in Malaysia as an aphrodisiac for men. In Indonesia, the same medication is known as pasak bumi.

    Even though the herbal is largely unknown in the US and Europe, the pro-sexual effect of tongkat ali is actually well documented in Western science. Anybody can check this for himself at the Medline database.

    The best free Medline is available at: http://www.infotrieve.com

    To search for scientific information, one has to use the plants scientific, Latin name, eurycoma longifolia. The plant is also a proven therapeutic and preventive medication against malaria, so in order to focus the search on the pro-sexual properties, one should use the additional search term "sexual".

    Tongkat ali improves sex by raising testosterone levels, or, more specifically, the levels of free testosterone. A large proportion of the testosterone that circulates in the human, female and male, body is bound by a protein, SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin).

    Testosterone that is bound to SHBG is rendered ineffective. Only free testosterone exerts the effects that are attributed to the hormone: one androgenic (masculinizing and sexualizing, both physiologically and mentally, and thus enhancing libido) and one anabolic (building tissue, mainly muscle).

    How exactly tongkat ali extract increases free testosterone is not known. One possible explanation is that tongkat ali's active ingredients capture and bind SHBG and therefore prevent SHBG from capturing circulating free testosterone. Another explanation is that tongkat ali extract stimulates the excretion of luteinizing hormone, which in return entices the Leydig cells of the testes to produce more testosterone.

    In whatever way it may happen, the fact is that tongkat ali, in sufficient dosage, improves testosterone tone. Furthermore, there is little doubt that an improved testosterone tone exerts a positive effect on libido.

    However, the correlation between tongkat ali and improved libido is NOT of the kind that you consume a certain amount of genuine tongkat ali extract, and an hour later you would experience a proportionate improvement of sexual desire. Testosterone enhancement does not work this way. Not if you inject anabolic steroids, not if you apply testosterone patches or testosterone cream, and not if you use tongkat ali extract.

    Libido certainly is testosterone-dependent, but the manner in which improved testosterone tone exerts its pro-libido effect is always somewhat unpredictable. No two men experience the improved libido in the same manner, and even in a single man, there are wild variations how improved testosterone tone expresses itself as heightened sexual desire or focus.

    When setting out on any testosterone enhancement therapy, one may see no libido improvement for several days, or even more than a week, and then, all of a sudden, one has a blasting sexual experience, the best sex of a lifetime.

    If you've been using it, credit the tongkat ali.

    Buying tongkat ali

    I first purchased tongkat ali a few years back, but the product I bought didn't have an effect. I was later challenged by an Indonesian wholesale company to try their 1:50 tongkat ali extract, and this was when I was thoroughly convinced of tongkat ali's benefits.

    The problem with most tongkat ali products that can be obtained in the US or over the Internet is that they are grossly underdosed.

    Tongkat ali is a root, and as such, it consists mostly of cellulose. Cellulose is not a pharmacologically active substance. The pharmacologically active ingredients only form a very small part of the root.

    The raw root itself, whether powdered or chipped, is not fit for human consumption. This is not just the case because humans cannot digest cellulose but also because the raw root always is infested with fungi and bacteria, some of which are harmful (e.g. salmonella).

    Is there anything humans would pull out of the soil and consume it uncooked?

    Raw root powder is commonly sold in Malaysia as well as in the US, both in brick-and-mortar shops and by Internet retailers.

    There is, of course, nothing wrong with root powder, as long as you know how to handle it.

    If you do not buy a ready-made extract, you have to prepare the root powder as your own extract. This can be a liquid extract or a dry one. If you prepare a liquid extract, you will have to consume a lot of fluid to get a proper dosage. Producing your own dry extract will take a lot of time.

    Root powder in capsules is nonsense because one should not ingest raw tongkat ali root, even not if it is packaged in gelatin capsules. The most likely effect of ingesting raw root powder is diarrhea, caused by salmonella bacteria. And if you are unlucky, you get a strain that causes typhoid fever.

    Tongkat ali is so bitter, and tastes so lousy, that the only way one can ingest a proper dosage is to get it down as quickly as possible. Capsules of dried tongkat ali extract are the ideal solution because extract is concentrated, and you can swallow the tongkat ali without tasting it.

    The only problem with dried extract in capsules is that you are easily cheated. It is very difficult to check yourself whether you actually get tongkat ali extract, or just tongkat ali root powder.

    If you have a lot of time, and enough money to spare, preparing your own dry extract, and filling it into capsules, will probably assure you the best quality. But preparing an extract takes several days, and doing it on your own is expensive because of the shipping costs from Indonesia.

    Tongkat ali root has to be boiled, and before being boiled, it should be soaked for about 24 hours. Use about 1 liter of water for 100 gram of root powder or chipped root. 100 gram of root powder or chipped root will yield about 2 normal dosages, or a single dosage for an experienced user or a bodybuilding athlete.

    In order to judge Internet offers of pouches of root powder, you have to be aware of the amounts of root needed to get a proper single dose, which is 50 to 100 gram. If they offer you one 1 lb, you get about 9 dosages, and you'll have a lot of work preparing your tongkat ali extract.

    Buying root powder instead of a ready-made extract is an expensive solution (unless you are in Indonesia). But then, if you prepare your own extract, you at least know what you are getting.

    I did prepare my own extract. A powdered extract, this is. Not a liquid one. Liquid extract as it is sold over the Internet is even worse a deal than root powder. If you buy a liquid extract in a bottle of 50 ml, than you purchase the equivalent of 100 gram of root powder at best. That makes how many dosages? About 2!

    I know what I'm talking about because I did make my own extract. I did so because I am a suspicious character, and so that I could write about it.

    I used 500 gram of chipped root, soaked in 5 liter of water for 24 hours. I brought the whole thing to a boil, and then filtered the water. I then left the 5 liters of water for almost 2 days on an electric stove with heat control (about 50 centigrade) until I got a thick sap. I further heated the sap in an electric oven (about 40 centigrade) and then got a rather hard crust. Working this crust through an electric coffee mill, I ended up with about 10 gram of powdered extract. Which means: an extract of the strength 1:50. 10 dosages out of 500 gram.

    I discussed this extraction process with two German pharmacists and the assistants of a plant analytical laboratory of a university. They all assured me that mine has been a proper extraction process.

    There isn't much technology to preparing water-based extracts. The solvent has to be water, and just water, otherwise the result would not be an aqueous (water) extract. In proper extracting facilities, they have integrated machines that speed up the evaporation by doing it under high pressure, or by other means. Some companies that sell such evaporating equipment have patents on these machines.

    But if a website claims that they have patented the extraction by water of tongkat ali, then that's bulls. They just want you to believe that their extract is special (so that you won't buy somewhere else), and that it justifies an inflated price.

    Tongkat ali has been researched well, though not in full. But one thing is certain: the traditional use is as an aqueous extract (extraction by water, as in tea or coffee), and that way, it has been used in Southeast Asia for hundreds of years.

    Other extraction possibilities would be by ethanol (alcohol) or chloroform, and a plethora of other chemical solvents. But such extracts have only been tested recently, and only one thing is clear: their LD50 values are much worse than those for aqueous extract. I would not experiment with tongkat ali extracts in which the solvent has been anything but water (see www.tongkatali.org (alternative sites: pasakbumi.com, eurycomalongifolia.net) for LD50 test results).

    Extract strength is another critical topic. I know from my own experiments that 100 grams of root yield a dried extract of 2 gram. So, 1:50 seems to be genuine strength of an aqueous extract.

    Of course, 1:100 sounds much sexier. But who is to check on such claims? Even if a new trader should decide to proclaim that his extract is 1:1000, who is going to examine whether the claim is true?

    A 1:100 extract, or one that is proclaimed to be 1:1000, doesn't necessarily contain more active ingredients. In order to turn a 1:50 extract into one that is 1:100, I really just have to discard half of the 1:50 extract. I can do so by passing it through a smaller mesh, which will just remove the coarser part of the ground crust I got from drying the aqueous extract.

    Thus, turning a 1:50 extract into a 1:100 extract means just that they sell half the extract, probably for double the price. It says NOTHING about the efficacy of the extract.

    Furthermore, there are justified suspicions that what is sold as 1:100 extract may only be root powder. I have seen documents on the FDA website (www.fda.gov) that show that people marketing 1:100 extract capsules have just applied for a registration of tongkat ali powder in capsule form, not of extract in capsules. To see these documents on www.fda.gov, please use their search engine and enter the search term "eurycoma". The scientific, Latin name of tongkat ali is eurycoma longifolia, and official documents deal with the plant under this name. Do not search for "tongkat ali", as this will not get you to the FDA correspondence about the product which is sold as 1:100. A search for the combined name, "eurycoma longifolia", doesn't seem to work well on the FDA site. It is best to just search for "eurycoma" only.

    Tongkat ali meanwhile is a rare plant. A few hundred years ago, it grew all over Southeast Asia. But in Thailand, Cambodia, and Vietnam, deforestation has become so widespread that governments were forced to put a total stop on removing anything from forests. In Thailand, the export of anything composed of wood requires special permits. And in Malaysia, tongkat ali has been proclaimed a protected plant that cannot be harvested in the wild.

    That only leaves one legal country of origin: Indonesia, or, more specifically, the forests of the islands of Sumatra and Kalimantan (Indonesian Borneo).

    I obtain my own supply of extract from an Indonesian wholesale company on Sumatra, and the extract used in the tongkat ali trials I conducted were from the same source. For the results of these trials, please see www.tongkatali.org (alternative sites: pasakbumi.com, eurycomalongifolia.net).

    Tongkat ali coffee

    In Southeast Asia where it originates, tongkat ali has a great reputation. Men have been using it for centuries to improve their virility, and in Southeast Asian traditional medicine, it is used as a treatment for many diseases.

    It therefore comes as no surprise that the designers of fashionable food and drink items anywhere in Southeast Asia like to print "Tongkat Ali" on their labels. So you have tongkat ali energy drinks, tongkat ali beef soup, tongkat ali coffee, etc.

    But all manufacturers of processed foods and drinks that are said to contain tongkat ali really only cash in on the placebo effect. The point is: in order to have a product that can be marketed, it has to taste OK. But the taste of tongkat ali or tongkat ali extract is so bad that even with 100 grams of sugar, you cannot mask the taste of a single gram of tongkat ali extract. Therefore, the trick of manufacturers of foods and drinks that contain tongkat ali is to minimize as much as possible the actual content of it.

    Because tongkat ali tastes so bad, even traditional use aims at concentrating it as much as possible. For this reason, the tinctures that are offered at roadside stalls in Malaysia (primarily near red-light districts) resemble more a strong coffee than a typical tea.

    But tongkat ali is not used as a coffee substitute in Malaysia. Not even as a traditional coffee additive.

    Tongkat ali coffee is nothing but a modern marketing ploy of some companies in Singapore and Malaysia, and their aim is to turn tongkat ali's reputation into corporate earnings.

    Tongkat ali plus coffee would be an awkward combination indeed because caffeine clearly is not conducive to great sex. Caffeine is a vasoconstrictor, and it has the power do disrupt sexual function in any man. It's really just a matter of dosage. Have 10 cups of coffee, and you will have a hard time to have a hard one.

    And with tongkat ali coffee (a mixture of coffee and tongkat ali) it is just the same. And it's the coffee that does the harm. Because the tongkat ali is present anyway only in such minuscule amounts that it has no effect whatsoever.

    The alleged positive experiences some authors claim with tongkat ali coffee are fake. They write nothing but misleading advertising copy. Tongkat ali coffee isn't even quackery; it's plain gimmickry.

    Why tongkat ali

    I have been trying, and using, medications and supplements for almost 10 years. Over the years, I experienced a marked decline in sexual desire and function. But I have always lived primarily for the purpose of seeking sexual gratifications. The decline I felt over time put into question the very fundamentals of my existence. It wasn't acceptable to me, for philosophical reasons.

    I had to find a solution. Something that would give me back my libido and erections. Mind you: this was in pre-Viagra times.

    Restoring my libido and sexual function was so important to me that I did try everything that could possibly help. In that, I am no different from most men.

    Most of the medications or supplements did, of course, not work. Not did most tongkat ali products.

    Some tongkat ali companies sell combination products that contains miniscule amounts of tongkat ali powder, just so that they can write Tongkat Ali on the label. Or they sell root powder as extract of 1:100.

    I have spent some twenty thousand dollars on fake cures. Zinc and arginine, muira puama and ginseng, multivitamins and minerals, lecithin and colostrum.

    As far as sexual enhancement goes: all junk.

    Even more expensive than supplements were the "proper" mediations I tried: thousands of dollars I spent on growth hormone injections alone. There was no noticeable effect at all.

    My first breakthrough was yohimbe. Yohimbe works. In a sufficiently high dosage, it causes world-class erections. Alas, the side effects are too much to stomach. More than 20 hours of sleeplessness, heart palpitations, and tachycardia. Constant use of yohimbe will take its toll on a person's health.

    Beside that: constant use will diminish orgasmic pleasure (while erectile reliability is maintained). After a few years, I gave up on yohimbe.

    Anyway, since Viagra became available, engineering erections has become easy. But Viagra does nothing for sexual desire. It has happened to me that when on Viagra alone, I stopped in the midst of intercourse because I just was bored, even though I had a persistent erection.

    Good sex comes from between the ears, not from between the tights.

    I can work pharmacologically on my brain in order to achieve a greater degree of sexual excitement. One drug that works, at least for a few times, is bromocriptine. Bromocriptine is a Parkinson's medication and increases brain dopamine levels.

    But as with all dopaminergics, nausea is a problem. And dopaminergics also tend to lose effectiveness rather quickly. The first three times you have sex on bromocriptine are likely the best you can get out of the drug.

    Tongkat ali, in a sufficient dosage, also is a dopaminergic, though my experience is that the dopaminergic effect of tongkat ali sets in only after 3 or 4 hours (and is much milder), while with pharmaceutical Parkinson's drugs, the dopaminergic effect sets in after about an hour-and-half.

    Usually, you can feel a dopaminergic effect as a distinct sleepiness (most pronounced with pramipexole), and a preference for the horizontal position (strongest with lisuride). With tongkat ali extract, I often experience sleepiness some 3 or 4 hours after ingesting my daily dose.

    Tongkat ali, of course, primarily works on testosterone, not on dopamine levels. I say "primarily" because testosterone and dopamine levels are intertwined.

    If one raises the levels of the hormone testosterone, then the levels of the hormone prolactin will drop, and vice versa. But prolactin levels not only are inversely related to testosterone levels, but also to levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine.

    This is why hypogonadism (low sex hormones) is a common symptom of a prolactinoma (a cancer of the pituitary gland), which expresses itself in increased prolactin secretion. And a prolactinoma as well as the symptomatic hypogonadism is treated with a dopaminergic drug such as bromocriptine.

    There are scientific studies that clearly link dopamine to libido, but because dopamine levels are moderated by testosterone, it's still the testosterone that finally is responsible for sexual desire.

    I know exactly how heightened testosterone levels feel. They make for superb sex.

    Heightened testosterone levels make my mind totally focused. When testosterone is fully at work, I would not stop during intercourse even if I were threatened with capital punisHydromaxent. Testosterone tells my mind that yes, this is what I need NOW, and never mind what comes thereafter.

    Superb testosterone-driven sex has a lot to do with heightened aggressiveness. When enough free testosterone circulates in my blood, my mind is in conquest mode. Every intercourse feels like rape, even though it is consensual. Superb sex is teeth-clinching tension. No, this is not tender love. It is withheld violence.

    And I am sure that superb sex is entirely testosterone-dependent. I have the best sex at times when I am most adverse towards other men. When I feel that other men are entirely not needed on the surface of this planet. Only me, and all the females of the world just for me.

    I am in the frame of mind for absolutely superb sex when sexual fantasies occur just anytime during the day. Me, and 200 young women on a lost island, somewhere in the Pacific Ocean. Ten women at a time, all totally dedicated to allow me every sexual sensation I could imagine.

    Testosterone-driven superb sex is totally egoistic. Superb sex is when my whole body just feels like an appendix of the penetrating organ, when I forget time or pain, and only know ONE thing. I fuck her.

    And this kind of sex I can engineer only with tongkat ali.

    But not with root powder, and not with 1:100 capsules. For this kind of sex, I need the extract from at least 50 gram of genuine aged Indonesian tongkat ali root. And not only once but over a series of days.

    Yes, when you want to obtain a proper dosage, tongkat ali is an expensive solution. The root of a single shrub that takes 10 to 20 years to grow is just good for a few proper dosages.

    And it is not really possible to economize the use of tongkat ali. You cannot just take a single dosage an hour or two before sex. The reason is that testosterone exerts its effect in a rather randomized fashion. For testosterone-fueled libido rushes, you need trigger events, which are difficult to plan. Something happens, before your eyes or in your mind, which all of a sudden makes you aware that, NOW, you really, really need sex.

    Tongkat ali can set the stage (only can set the stage) by improving testosterone tone throughout the body. But the trigger event is not chemical in nature. It is mental.

    While rushes of sexual desire will only occur randomly with prolonged use of tongkat ali, my experience with the 1:50 extract is that at a sufficient dosage (1 gram), I have felt an immediate effect the first few times I ingested a proper dose. Unfortunately, it is not an immediate sexual effect.

    What I felt first (after 1 to 2 hours) was a specific hot-headedness. In reports on human clinical trials, this hot-headedness has been referred to as facial flushing and headache. I believe that hot-headedness is a better description. It's not a headache, as the hot-headedness is not painful. I also don't think that facial flushing is a correct description. With "flushing" I would associate something that is immediate and temporary. But the hot-headedness when first using tongkat ali in a sufficient dosage persists for a few hours.

    On the other hand, if one takes a 1-gram dose each day for several days, this hot-headedness subsides. I assume that this is the case because one's organism gets used to the presence of the tongkat ali.

    I have tried all kinds of tricks to raise my testosterone levels, and I have mentioned in other articles that I seem not to respond sexually to testosterone enhancement. I have tried straight testosterone supplementation, or supplementation with DHEA or andro, or hypothalamic stimulation with clomiphene, or aromatase inhibitors like anastrozole, as well as Tribestan, and then tongkat ali. Not that I wouldn't have felt the increased testosterone levels. I did, especially with a clomiphene / anastrozole combination. I felt the increased testosterone levels as aggressiveness. Only as aggressiveness.

    The 1:50 tongkat ali extract is the first substance that makes me feel increased testosterone levels in a sexual way. But aggressiveness is still a major component.

    The tongkat ali extract doesn't make me a better lover. Sex tends to take less time on tongkat ali than without it. And sex is much more egocentric and, yes, aggressive. I will be inclined to have a much stronger grip on my female partner, and enjoy the idea that I "take her", rather than focusing on harmony.

    The tongkat ali extract also gives me more ejaculatory power and makes me want to orgasm two or three times in rather quick sequence (within 10 minutes). This suggests that through increasing testosterone levels, the orgasmic release of the hormone prolactin is partially inhibited, or at least delayed. (A surge of prolactin at the time of orgasm is what usually causes detumescence and a cessation of desire.)

    I am getting older, but when I use a sufficiently high dose of tongkat ali extract, sex is much more similar to what it was in my early 20s when, presumably, I had a better testosterone profile, and also was a much more aggressive person.

    Actually, I even wonder whether the wide use of tongkat ali is one of the reasons behind communal violence in Indonesia and Malaysia. Both Malaysia and Indonesia are normally very friendly countries, but the native men in both countries also have a tendency to violent excesses, on a communal and personal level. The term "running amok" comes straight from the Malay family of languages. "Amok" means "violent anger" and "running amok" is a way of venting it by going on a mad killing spree until the person running amok is killed himself.

    Of course, the management of aggression isn't entirely dependent on brain biochemistry or testosterone-raising substances like tongkat ali. Aggressiveness also is a behavioral component of our psychology. Plain awareness that aggressiveness usually is the wrong policy in human interactions already goes a long way in containing it.

    Because of this, the increased aggressiveness resulting from ingesting tongkat ali must not necessarily result in communal or personal violence, or at least not in a form that would be noticeable to our fellow humans. I think that anybody using tongkat ali should know that the herbal can make aggressive; meditation exercises may be a good idea to make oneself better prepared for this effect.

    I have tried many other alleged pro-sexual herbals, but apart from yohimbe and tongkat ali, I have never had a clear positive sexual result from any of them.

    Sure, some of these other herbals may actually be healthy, ginkgo biloba for the brain, and ginseng for the kidneys (or whatever they want), but for the vital organ, they do nothing. Having the choice between ginseng and tongkat ali, I'd definitely go for the later.

    Apart from an increased aggressiveness, the anabolic effect of increased testosterone levels should also be taken into account. Generous dosages of tongkat ali may not be suited for women, or for men who want to preserve a slender (as opposed to athletic) appearance.
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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    Yes, genuine tongkat ali is expensive. But it's worth it. On the other hand, there is now a huge number of imitations and fakes. And some
    sites sell 1:50 and tell the customers it's 1:200. Anyway, one should always ask a seller where he got his stock from. After all, he is not
    planting this himself, he is not making the extract himself, just a reseller. As such, he should identify his source.

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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    Hi guys! I just recieved my Tongkat Ali 1:200 from http://www.tongkatfitness.com/products/tongkat-ali-buy

    I did abit of research before hand about the different types and which are better etc... so led me to buy the above. Not sure if Ive been scammed or what but sod it thought id try it. Really quick delivery, well packaged etc BUT!!!! open the bottle and PONG!!!! ha this stuff really smells. Ive taken it for two days now at the stated dosage and today i could smell it lol not sure if its creeping through my skin or comming out my mouth but wow! haha.
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    What does it smell like?
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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    Quote Originally Posted by doublelongdaddy View Post
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    Re: Tongkat ali tastes bad !?! That's an understatement...

    You can buy the same product tongkatali.org sells (sumatra Pasak Bumi) for much cheaper. Check out www.authentictongkatali.com. The 600mg 200:1 extract is over $200 at Tongkat Ali.org, $115 at Authentic Tongkat Ali.
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