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    ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    Want Your Foreskin Back? Give It A Rest!

    There is alot of conflicting information on the internet about foreskin restoration. This article is not about whether you should or shouldn't restore your foreskin, or a debate on the benefits of doing so. I am writing this article in light of recent findings about the most effective means of restoring your foreskin-- doing it fast, effectively and with as little effort or damage to the tissue as possible. Before I continue, I have to thank MOS forum member, and fellow restorer, Executioner for bringing this information to my attention. I spend alot of time promoting foreskin restoration and not enough time researching the latest news about it, and it probably would have been a while before I came across this information otherwise.

    For quite a while, it was believed that the most effective method of foreskin restoration was to keep the tissue under tension as near to 24 hours a day, 7 days a week as possible. Whatever method one used-- whether it be weights, tlc tugger, cat II ro, t-tape or any of the virtually endless methods and devices-- the advice from the experts and gurus was that you try to keep it on at all times.

    I think this belief came into existence based on the skin expansion techniques employed by plastic surgeons, where a bladder was inserted under the skin and slowly inflated to induce tissue growth to be harvested for transplants and the like over the course of many months. If that is how doctors do it, most thought, then that must be the way it works best!

    "Constantly applied low level tension" was the magic phrase.

    In light of some recent research into the field of cell mitosis and skin expansion, that mantra has now been shown to be false. The findings of this new research has proven that maximum skin expansion does not occur without equal periods of rest. In fact, constantly applied tension can actually inhibit the skin expansion effect...or worse, damage the tissue and force one's body to heal the injuries instead of grow new skin!

    This is not a new idea for some. R. Wayne Griffiths, M.S., M.Ed. and Cofounder and Executive Director of NORM has been preaching this message for years. Unfortunately, old ideas sometimes die hard and it is only now that his advice has been proven fact and is slowly being absorbed into the consciousness of the restoration movement.

    According to Mr. Griffiths (who is, by the way, a doctor who decided to restore his foreskin):

    "When we look at the body builders, trying and successfully getting more muscle... and you have a muscle to be lengthened for sure, the Dartos/Peripenic muscle... you need to follow-- as the most recent research has indicated, and as i have been 'preaching' for 15 years-- growth is had when the cells have a chance to perform mitosis. One needs to understand that just looking at it in a mechanical/physical situation. If you were a rubber band stretched to the fullest extent, could you tie a knot in the middle of yourself??? i think not. so the resolving of the chromatin of the nucleus into a threadlike form, which separate into segments or chromosomes, each of which separated longitudinally into two parts, one part of each chromosome being retain in each of two new cells resulting from the original cell..."

    In plain English, the skin cells won't split while they are under tension. It is only at rest that mitosis occurs and the skin expansion effect kicks in.

    So what is the most effective regimen of foreskin restoration?

    Mr. Griffiths suggests a five day on, 2 day off regimen of moderate tension for approximately 10 to 12 hours a day. This is the regimen he employed himself to restore his own foreskin and he accomplished the task in 18 months.

    According to Mr. Griffiths, "The three papers researching tissue expansion have only been done since 1997-- and the latest in 2004...[they] have shown that cyclical moderate tension is the most successful and productive method of growing new cells. These studies i am sure will change to some extent the regimen for tissue expansion in the medical field for harvesting."

    Perhaps the most difficult task now is getting men to understand and accept this new idea when the old mantra of C.A.T. is so ingrained in our philosophy.

    Dr. Griffiths' frustration is evident in an anecdote he shared to illustrate this stubborn clinging to an old belief: "I'll relate to you the telephone calls I got for a couple of years from a fellow in Texas, wondering why he was not making progress. I asked what his regimen was... He said I have 60 oz of weight on 24 hours a day and nothing is happening.....A call every six months. I explained all that I have to you, and he didn't get it. After really chewing him out, he may have stopped this 24/7 but I haven't heard from him for quite some time. It meant to me that he did not pee, did not have sex, or anything else...[LAUGHS] Who knows...?"

    In light of this new research, I'm telling you all right now, right this instant...

    ***** NO MORE 24 / 7 !!! ****

    Get that tension off at least 12 hours of the day and let nature take its course! Your skin will not expand while it is tensed. Mitosis only occurs during rest.

    Take off the weights and let it hang. Untape your t-tape and let it flop. Pop off the tugger and give your pecker some real TLC.

    Our new mantra has to become: "Grow it Best! Let it Rest!"

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    What about Cross tape? I have been wondering if Cross tape is good to keep on since I am manually restoring. In light of this new evidence having cross tape on soley to keep glans covered, will it inhibit growth or should i Take it off. and if i should take it off for how long and whatnot

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    In light of this new research, I would say take it off at least half the day. To keep irritation to the glans at a minimum, take most of your skin rest period during sleep, not during the day when you're up and about.

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    ok thank you ill do that tonight

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    Excellent post there Kong, you was able to bring in the medical information and quotes from the horses mouth which really adds credibility to the theroy, I make a personal guarantee here to anyone who is restoring that you won't be dissapointed in the gains department if you let your skin rest!
    KOT!!

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    And it's actually good news, too! I think it's daunting for some to think that they have to stay taped all day long, every day, for years. I'm sure it has kept many men from actually doing foreskin restoration. Now we know. It's easier than we thought. We have been overdoing it and actually making it take longer than it had to. 40 hours a week is soooooo much better than 24/7.

    I think this applies to Penis Enlargement as well. I'm sure the same mechanical principles apply to all living animal cells. This explains how I've gained being a lazy Penis Enlargementer where others have done so much more intense routines and have not done so great.

    Hear that, gang? Let your dicks rest! Penis Enlargement and FR in moderation for real gains.

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    kong i think u ought to post that in Penis Enlargement forum tell the Penis Enlargement'rs to let their dicks rest.

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    The problem is, the old saying goes; old habits, die hard. Some will have it drilled into there heads that 24/7 is what's needed regardless of what gets brought forward, if people have restored 24/7 then some will think that this is what they will have to do to succeed like their predesessors(sp?). I think maybe with Penis Enlargement the whole thing does definately apply ie, the younger you are the better your gain potential will be as cell mitosis occurs more rapidly as I brought up in one thread in the Penis Enlargement forum but it seemed to fall on deaf ears becuase there arguments were; everything about Penis Enlargement is substantial and backed up by no science. I personally don't beleive this, just becuase there is no scientific documentation on Penis Enlargement, old scientific principles will still apply for Penis Enlargement as we are trying to grow new erectile tissue. Of course with Penis Enlargement your only breaking down cells for the time you are hanging/jelqing/stretching etc which will probably a max of 2 hours for some indiviuals per day anyway which is very similar to the manual tugging regime I have incorporated. So yes it probably does all apply to Penis Enlargement but we are really already doing it. I still think however that the basic principles of FR such as age increasing the rate of cell growth is a major factor which applies to all types of cell/tissue expansion and growth to all things be it Penis Enlargement, FR or Muscle training but of course what I say seems to be common sense to anyone if you think about it based upon what we already know about skin cell expansion, but I think there is a lot of misconception with Penis Enlargement as people are going way off subject with it talking about all kinds of things when really the basic info and knowledge they need has already been documented.
    The problem is with Penis Enlargement is that it seems to greatly vary accross the board for so many individuals. I am 18 years of age, and I Penis Enlargement'd with lots of rest and put in some hard work for sessions, yet the only gains I ever saw was tempory, this is not the case for me however with FR, but then again this could be down to the fact I had an extremely tight circumcision, tight enough to give me a curve in my penis, so I think Penis Enlargement has a lot of individualism to the way people gain, but I don't think we should forget the basic principles of how already existing cell expanison methods such as FR work.

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    Thanks for the great research input. How many ounces of weight would equal moderate tension?

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    Executioner: You are so right! I wrote the article and even I felt the urge to keep on tugging instead of letting it rest last night. I am one of the worst people about picking up habits, and I kept thinking, Well, maybe just a little bit of manual tugging... It is hard to unlearn something. I have to tell myself while resting, I am growing my foreskin now. Leave it alone. The tugging is only a trigger, not growth.

    Jonal: They say approx. 32 ounces of weight triggers skin expansion, but FR devices like the PUD weigh less, and some men use things as light as a steel wrench socket. Just use the least amount of weight that seems to work for you. More weight isn't going to make it grow faster.

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    New skin cell growth is really only part of making a new foreskin. I addressed this topic several weeks ago at another restoration site, so I will repost the information here:

    I have noticed several questions regarding skin, so I'll try to address the most common ones. BTW, I am a graduate student in Physiology, so I'm not (entirely) talking out of my ass here .

    Stretching: the resistance to tugging is caused predominantly by the dermal layer of the skin, which contains stretchy protein fibers called elastin and non-stretchy protein fibers called collagen (simple model). The elastin causes the skin to recoil after stretching, while the collagen matrix keeps the skin from being stretched beyond a certain point. Rawhide chewies are an example of dermis that has been dried out , while leather is dermis that has been through a tanning process to soften it. These examples give you an idea of what this layer of tissue is like… very tough.

    As we are tugging, the strain is placed predominantly on the collagen fibers in the dermis. The overlaying epidermis (skin cells) transmits this strain to the dermis, but has a much lesser role in resisting lateral stretch (that which we seek) than the collagen fibers. While there are cells called fibroblasts that live in the dermis, the bulk of this tissue is not alive, which makes the remodeling process of this tissue an enzyme-driven, protein-building issue versus (strictly) skin cell mitosis (cell division). Thus, what we are stretching is something akin to tendons, while the overlying skin cells undergo mitosis as needed.

    This is important for several reasons: 1) collagen remodeling occurs predominantly after the strain is released or reduced, as a response to the strain; 2) Excessive/prolonged strain will cause the matrix to thicken as well as lengthen (as is seen in tendons of more active people), which will then increasingly resist further elongation. Elastin will also increase, causing the skin to recoil more readily; 3) Matrix remodeling is a relatively slow process due the non-cellular nature of the tissue; it is not alive, like a cell is, and so cannot itself respond to the strain, but relies on fibroblasts for collagen fibers and enzymes for actual remodeling and elongation.

    The take home message here is that creating a fauxskin takes time and gentle encouragement.


    Cheers, gents!
    G

    Exerpted from an original post dated 3-23-05, posted at foreskinrestorationchat.info

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    Thanks Kong. 32 oz. is a lot of weight. The PUD only goes up to 18 oz, but says they have a hook to add more weight. I had a homemade weight that I thought was a lot at 8 oz. At 32 oz for 10 hours, there must also be some good long term Penis Enlargement results I would think?

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    Grave, that is some awesome information there. You explain it in very scientific terms that really highlight how important it is to not overdo it. Overdo it fellas and you are just going to toughen the skin and make it more resistant to skin expansion.

    One question: If you have already overdone it and made the skin tougher, will an extended break cause it to return to a lower level of resistance? If so, how much of a break is needed? Are there observable signs that you have rested long enough so that you can know when you can start again? And how can we know the point at which the tension we are applying is too much and we need to lessen it?

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    I hear what ur saying kong even last night as I slept without my cross tape I was like gotta have this on. Its hard to give up that sensitivity I tell ya.

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    Well in light of this new research i am from now on till i get complete coverage will not wear cross tape any more. I think in order to maximize growth i shouldnt be covered becuase being cross taped all day doesnt help. the only reason i did that is to keep glans moist but i will get resensitized when i get complete coverage. So now my new routine will be manual tugging twice a day and then let it heal.

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by kong1971
    Grave, that is some awesome information there. You explain it in very scientific terms that really highlight how important it is to not overdo it. Overdo it fellas and you are just going to toughen the skin and make it more resistant to skin expansion.

    One question: If you have already overdone it and made the skin tougher, will an extended break cause it to return to a lower level of resistance? If so, how much of a break is needed? Are there observable signs that you have rested long enough so that you can know when you can start again? And how can we know the point at which the tension we are applying is too much and we need to lessen it?

    Thanks kong.

    Yes, the good news is that you can get back to growing length, even if you've reached a plateau. The body is constantly remodeling its tissues, even bone, so the trick is to give it a break and let it return to a more default level of connective tissue thickness. How long to stop is dependent on many factors, but a good bencHydromaxark is six months. I know that sounds like an eternity, but it is the only way to change this tissue. As an example: your epidermis requires an average time of 45 days to go from mitosis to being worn away by abrasion (hopefully during sex), so it should be clear that these processes don't happen overnight. Succinctly, if you've reached a plateau - stop tugging for six months; consider it a vacation. During this time sex is fine, masturbation is fine, and as long as you're not putting tension on the skin (you know what I mean, yes?), cross taping or loose ringing for glans coverage is fine, too.

    Readily observable signs are unlikely, but to test for compliance I would suggest the following. After about three months, do a manual test pull session (say 10 minutes, no more often than once a month) on your foreskin and watch its response. Each person has a different response to restoration, so I can't say specifically what to look for. Use your judgment, think about how your skin responded when tugging worked well and when it stopped working, and compare the test pull results to those references. Just don't get impatient and begin again too quickly, or you'll be right back on the plateau.

    The easiest way to know when you're overdoing things is by monitoring your progress. If you are maintaining a routine, but your gains are diminishing, then back off. Lower the weight/tension, or tug for shorter periods of time, or just take a week off. There is no "right" way for everyone, but the testimonials from many restorers and Penis Enlargementers, the scientific literature, and my understanding of anatomy and physiology point to a less-is-more paradigm (LIMP!? Haha, LIMP your way to a longer foreskin) being superior to the stretch-hard-and-long methods. Fortunately, this paradigm appears to be inclusive of many different methods, ranging from tappers and tuggers using a moderate tension/weight for 8-12 hours a day, to manual restorers and high tension/weight fans doing hard pulling for 15-60 minutes a day.

    I hope that this helps.

    Cheers!
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    P.S. Remember: a LIMP dick is a better dick :D

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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    Quote Originally Posted by MrD
    Well in light of this new research i am from now on till i get complete coverage will not wear cross tape any more. I think in order to maximize growth i shouldnt be covered becuase being cross taped all day doesnt help. the only reason i did that is to keep glans moist but i will get resensitized when i get complete coverage. So now my new routine will be manual tugging twice a day and then let it heal.
    Unless you are really tightly cut and nighttime cross taping is putting tension on the skin, it should not be a problem to keep your glans covered (I agree: it would suck to loose the sensitivity). If you can't cover without pulling skin, consider using a condom or something similar to cover with when not actively restoring.

    Cheers!
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    Re: ***Very Important New Research*** The Real Key to Maximum Skin Expansion

    Ok, thank you grave. I am going to go cross tape my dick right now. To keep it moist

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    Give It A Rest!

    This thread would appear to be about a compelling theory, not about research.

    "Research" would involve multiple subjects - maybe pairs of twins - with various regimens over a long time. When one says don't max out on tension 24/7, does that mean to drop to 50% tension, or to zero tension, or to negative tension (compression)? It is not clear.

    For now - HAVING NOT BEEN PRESENTED WITH ANY RESEARCH - I can still suggest you tug comfortably for as many hours as will fit into your lifestyle, and use a gentle retaining technique to keep your skin over the glans the rest of the time.

    -Ron Low
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    BTW, if Wayne is a doctor, why isn't MD listed as one of his educational credentials?

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    Re: Give It A Rest!

    Quote Originally Posted by RonJLow
    This thread would appear to be about a compelling theory, not about research.
    Just so Ron. Everything about Penis Enlargement and FR is theory (hypothesis really) and the results are all anecdotal.

    Quote Originally Posted by RonJLow
    "Research" would involve multiple subjects - maybe pairs of twins - with various regimens over a long time.
    Yes, it would, although the twins aren't necessary. However, who is going to conduct this research in accordance with GLP? And who would pay for it? I doubt that the NIH or any foundations are likely to fund such research.

    Quote Originally Posted by RonJLow
    When one says don't max out on tension 24/7, does that mean to drop to 50% tension, or to zero tension, or to negative tension (compression)? It is not clear.
    No, it is not clear, and that is the point of this thread. FR and Penis Enlargement are heuristic endeavors and we are empiricists. We learn by doing and by inference from known science. Wayne has been doing this for 15+ years, and I am a graduate student in Physiology and Pharmacology, so I know one or two things about what I speak.
    I have given very succinct and salient suggestions based on my observations, knowledge, and inferences. These suggestions are not obscure to me, please go back and re-read them. And note that nowhere do I mention negative tension.

    Quote Originally Posted by RonJLow
    For now - HAVING NOT BEEN PRESENTED WITH ANY RESEARCH - I can still suggest you tug comfortably for as many hours as will fit into your lifestyle, and use a gentle retaining technique to keep your skin over the glans the rest of the time.
    First, no one has proven a correct method of restoring foreskin; not me, not Wayne, and not you. Second, your suggestion is no different than my suggestion, except that I am offering an anatomical explanation for the plateau phenomenon and my best inference on how to avoid it or remedy it.

    Quote Originally Posted by RonJLow
    -Ron Low
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    BTW, if Wayne is a doctor, why isn't MD listed as one of his educational credentials?
    Doctor is a honorific granted to anyone who has achieved a Doctoral degree (PhD, DSc, PharmD, DVM, et cetera), not just to someone who has attained an MD.

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