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    ACTUAL STUDY: Do Women Prefer Uncut Cock?

    BJU INTERNATIONAL, Volume 83, Supplement 1, Pages 79-84,
    January 1, 1999.

    The effect of male circumcision on the sexual enjoyment of the female partner
    K. O'HARA and J. O'HARA

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    CIRP note: The authors of this article have written a book entitled Sex As Nature Intended It. The book has a website at www.sexasnatureintendedit.com.

    Introduction

    Male circumcision, the most commonly performed surgery in the USA, removes 33 - 50% of the penile skin, as well as nearly all of the penile fine touch neuroreceptors [1]. To date no study has investigated whether this dramatic alteration in the male genitalia affects the sexual pleasure experienced by the female partner or whether a woman can physically discern the difference between a penis with a foreskin. The impact that male circumcision has on the overall sexual experience for either partner is unknown.

    Just as female circumcision was advocated in some Muslim and African countries to control women's sexuality, so too was male circumcision introduced into English-speaking countries in the late 1800s as a method of treating and preventing masturbation [2]. While there has been debate over whether circumcision affects the sexual sensations of the penis, there have been few relevant studies. Four men circumcised in adulthood reported decreased sensitivity [3]. Writing under a pseudonym, a physician circumcised as an adult argued that the loss of sensitivity he experienced was favourable, as it gave him more control over his orgasms [4]. Another man circumcised as an adult lamented that the decrease in sensation could be equated with seeing in monochrome rather than in colour.

    Laumann et al. [5] found that circumcised men had different sexual practices from genitally altered men. Circumcised men were more likely to masturbate, to engage in heterosexual anal and oral sex, and to engage in homosexual anal sex. In the male rat, removal of the penile sheath markedly interferes with normal penile reflexes and copulation. When circumcised rats were paired with sexually experienced females, they had more difficulty obtaining an erection, more difficulty inserting the penis into the vagina, and required more mounts to inseminate than did unaltered males [6]. Preputial secretions in mice and rats are a strong attractant for female mice and rats [7-11], and may provoke the onset of oestrus in mature females [12].

    There may be a histological explanation for these findings. The tip of the foreskin, and some or all of the frenulum, are routinely removed as part of circumcision. This tissue contains a high concentration of the nerve endings that sense fine touch [1]. After circumcision, the surface of the glans thickens like a callus. The glans is innervated by free nerve endings that can only sense deep pressure and pain. [13]. Over 30 years ago, Masters and Johnson, using undocumented methodology, tested the sensitivity of the glans in men with and without foreskins and found no difference [14]. The absence of fine-touch receptors in the glans could explain their findings, as Masters and Johnson may have been measuring the wrong variable. Without knowing what was measured or how, these results constitute little more than anecdotal evidence. A study from Iowa in the late 1980s [15] found that young mothers (who had recently given birth to sons) preferred intercourse with a circumcised man; however, the importance of this study is compromised, as only 16.5% of the women surveyed had sexual experience with both circumcised and intact men. The study results may reflect the tendency of people to choose the familiar and shun the unfamiliar. In a survey conducted on the Internet, circumcised men were significantly more likely to use additional artificial lubricants during sexual activity (odds ratio, OR = 5.64, 95% CI = 3.65 - 8.71) [16].

    The 12th century physician and rabbi Moses Maimonides advocated male circumcision for its ability to curb a man's sexual appetite [17]. Further, he implied that it could also affect a woman's sexuality, indicating that once a woman had taken a lover who was not circumcised, it was very hard for her to give him up. The impact of male circumcision on the sexual pleasure experienced by both males and females is largely unstudied. While the brain is often cited as the primary 'sexual' organ, what impact does surgical alteration of the male genitalia have for both partners? Based on anecdotal reports, a survey was developed to determine the effect of male circumcision on a woman's ability to achieve vaginal orgasm (both single and multiple), to maintain adequate vaginal secretions, to develop vaginal discomfort, to enjoy coitus and to develop an intimate relationship with her partner. This review presents the findings of a survey of women who have had sexual partners both with and without foreskins, and reports their experiences.

    Methods

    Women having sexual experience with both circumcised and anatomically complete partners were recruited through classified advertisements in magazines and an announcement in an anti-circumcision newletter. Respondents to the advertisements were mailed a survey to complete and return, the comments then compiled and the responses analysed statistically. The survey is continuing and this article reports the preliminary results.

    Of the 284 surveys, 139 were completed and returned; no attempts were made to characterize the demographic details of those who did not respond. The women completing the surveys were aware that their responses and comments could later be published anonymously in a forthcoming book. The survey included 40 questions; the results were analysed for age, number of lifetime partners, preputial status of the most recent partner, preference for vaginal orgasms (as defined below) and their preference for a circumcised or intact penis. Multiple choice answers were assigned numeric values, i.e. 'increased', 'stayed about the same' and 'lessened' of 1,0, and -1 respectively. Likewise, questions with answers of 'mostly yes', 'mostly no', 'rarely' and 'never' were assigned values of 3, 2, 1 and 0.

    The survey defined 'vaginal orgasm' as 'an orgasm that occurs during intercourse, brought about by your partner's penis and pelvic movements and body contact, along with your own body's pelvic movements, with no simultaneous stimulation of the clitoris by the hands'. Premature ejaculation was defined as the man 'usually (50 -100% of the time) has had his orgasm within 2 -3 minutes after insertion'. The survey included three sets of responses for the respondents to rate their sexual experiences with their circumcised and unaltered male partners; the questions and possible responses are listed in Appendix 1. Comparisons between responses are expressed as the OR and 95% CI.

    Results

    [CIRP Note: The results of this survey are somewhat obscurely stated. This survey surveyed 138 women. Of that group 20 (14.5%) preferred non-intact circumcised sexual partners while 118 or (85.5%) preferred intact non-circumcised sexual partners. This means that about 6 out of 7 women preferred intact non-circumcised partners while about 1 out of seven preferred non-intact circumcised partners.]

    Of the 139 surveys returned, one considered a man who was undergoing foreskin restoration as having a foreskin; this survey was excluded from analysis. Not all questions were answered by all respondents. Contradictory answers showed that not all respondents understood the questions; the responses and unanswered questions were excluded from the analysis. The demographic profile of the respondents is shown in Table 1.

    Table 1 The demographics of the respondents


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    Variable Mean/median number


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    Mean (SD) age (years) 37.3 (9.2)
    Number of partners;
    Mean (SD) 14.7 (11.2)
    Median (SD)
    Preferred vaginal orgasm 71
    Preferred position for attaining
    vaginal orgasm;
    woman on top 54
    man on top 54
    rear entry 4
    no preference 9


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    Comparisons of experiences with circumcised or intact males are shown in tables 2 and 3. With their circumcised partners, women were more likely not to have a vaginal orgasm (4.62, 3.69-5.80). Conversely, women were more likely to have a vaginal orgasm with an unaltered partner. Their circumcised partners were more likely to have premature ejaculation (1.82, 1.45-2.27). Women were also more likely to state that they had had vaginal discomfort with a circumcised partner either often (19.89, 5.98-66.22) or occasionally (7.00, 3.83-12.79) as opposed to rarely or never. More women reported that they never achieved orgasm with circumcised partners (2.25, 1.13-4.50) than with their unaltered partners. Also, they were more likely to report never having had a multiple orgasm with their circumcised partners (2.25, 1.13-4.50). They were also more likely to report never having had a multiple orgasm with their circumcised partners (2.22, 1.36-3.63). They were also more likely to report that vaginal secretions lessened as coitus progressed with their circumcised partners (16.75, 6.88-40.77).

    During prolonged intercourse with their circumcised partners, women were less likely to 'really get into it' and more likely to 'want to get it over with' (23.32, 11.24-48.39). On the other hand, with their unaltered partners, the reverse was true, they were less likely to 'want to get it over with' and considerably more likely to 'really get into it.'

    When the women were divided into those older or younger than 40 years, the older women were more likely to rate their frequency of orgasm as higher with an unaltered partner (Z=2.04, P=0.02). Women 29 years or younger were more likely to prefer orally induced orgasms (2.61, 1.14-5.97), while women over 40 years preferred vaginally induced orgasms more than those aged <29 years (3.00, 1.16-7.32). The older women also had more lifetime unaltered partners (Z=2.95, P=0.002). This may have reflected the decreased availability of unaltered men of similar age for the younger women.

    When the women were divided into those with more or fewer than 10 lifetime partners, those with >10 were more likely to have orgasms with their circumcised partners than those with fewer partners, but still less frequent orgasms than they had with their unaltered partners. Women who preferred a circumcised partner overall were more likely to have had <10 partners (3.52, 0.92-13.50).

    Table 2 Ratings of experiences with circumcised men compared with normal men (uncircumcised). All difference were significant at P<0.001


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    Mean SD Rating
    Item Circumcised Intact Z Value


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    Number of partners 10.36(11.21) 3.61(5.81) 6.16
    Vaginal fluid secretions* -0.23(0.79) 0.60(0.58) -9.47
    Vaginal discomfort+ 2.01(0.87) 0.85(0.83) 10.93
    Likelihood of vaginal orgasm(%) 34.7(35.2) 60.6(36.2) 6.16
    Orgasm frequency rating 1.68(1.13) 2.39(1.02 -5.39
    Multiple orgasm frequency rating 10.72(9.55) 14.85(10.46) -3.36
    Duration of coitus (min)
    Number of responses to:
    not irritable++ 5.99(4.73) 1.31(2.54) 10.04
    not distanced¶ 5.10(3.75) 0.84(1.11) 10.81
    Positive postcoital feelings§ 1.95(2.88) 5.01(2.88) -9.05
    Overall rating (range -10 to +10) 1.81(6.17) 8.03(3.17) 10.33


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    *The responses were scored as 'increased' = 1, 'stayed about the same'= 0, 'lessened = -1.
    +The responses were scored as 'mostly yes' = 3, 'mostly no' = 2, 'rarely' = 1, 'never' = 0.
    ++Positive responses from 14 possibilities
    ¶Positive responses from 13 possibilities
    §Positive responses from 8 possibilities

    When women who preferred vaginal orgasm were compared with those preferring orally or manually induced orgasm, the former rated unaltered men higher (Z=2.12, P=0.016), had more positive post-coital feelings (Set 3; Z=2.68, P=0.003) with their unaltered partners, and rated these men higher overall (Z=2.12, P=0.016). These women were more likely to prefer being on top during coitus to achieve vaginal orgasm (2.46, 1.21-4.98). They were also more likely to have an unaltered man as their most recent partner (1.74, 0.87-3.47).

    The women who preferred circumcised partners (as elicited in one of three questions, n=20) were more likely to have had their first orgasm with a circumcised partner (8.38, 2.88-24.35) than those who preferred unaltered partners. Although these women preferred circumcised partners, they still found unaltered partners to evoke more vaginal fluid production, a lower vaginal discomfort rating and fewer complaints (Sets 1 and 2, Table 3) during intercourse than their circumcised partners. In women who preferred circumcised men, there was no difference in their comparison of circumcised and unaltered men other than overall rating and a higher rate of premature ejaculation in their unaltered partners (4.63, 2.36-9.07) These women had fewered unaltered partners (2.47 vs. 3.78, Z=-1.68, P=0.045), which suggests that their limited exposure to unaltered men may have been a consequence of 'premature ejaculation'. The inability to detect a difference in orgasm frequency, coital duration, coital complaints or satisfaction, and 'yet to formulate a preference', suggests that factors of conformity may be influential.

    When women were grouped based on the preputial status of their most recent partner, women with unaltered partners had a higher rate of orgasms with them, at a mean (SEM) of 70 (31%)vs 56 (40%) (Z=2.28, P=0.01). They were more likely to rate circumcised partners lower (Z=-2.61, P0.0047) and unaltered partners higher (Z=2.83, P=0.002). When only women whose most recent partner was circumcised, the results were consistent with the results from the entire study population.

    Discussion

    These results show clearly that women preferred vaginal intercourse with an anatomically complete penis over that with a circumcised penis; there may be many reasons for this. When the anatomically complete penis thrusts in the vagina, it does not slide, but rather glides on its own 'bedding' of movable skin, in much the same way that a turtle's neck glides in and out of the folder layers of skin surrounding it. The underlying corpus cavernosa and corpus spongiosum slide within the penile skin, while the skin juxtaposed agaist the vaginal wall moves very little. This sheath-within-a-sheath alignment allows penile movement, and vaginal and penile stimulation, with minimal friction or loss of secretions. When the penile shaft is withdrawn slightly from the vagina, the foreskin bunches up behind the corona in a manner that allows the tip of the foreskin which contains the highest density of fine-touch neuroreceptors in the penis [1] to contact the corona of the glans which has the highest concentration of fine-touch receptors on the glans [18]. This intense stimulation discourages the penile shaft from further withdrawal, explaining the short thrusting style that women noted in their unaltered partners. This juxtapostion of sensitive neuroreceptors is also seen in the clitoris and clitoral hood of the Rhesus monkey [19] and in the human clitoris [18].

    Table 3 Comparison of responses for circumcised partners compared with normal partners


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    Item Odds ratio (95%CI)


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    Set 1:
    Irritablity 9.39 (4.65-18.95)
    Unappreciated 9.06 (4.67-17.57)
    Sexually violated 5.57 (2.80-11.10)
    Aggravated 7.51 (3.55-16.30)
    Out of sync 13.12 (6.17-27.90)
    Partner cared little about me 10.05 (5.33-18.94)
    Other than my vagina
    partner wouldn't know I was there 10.10 (4.57-22.30)
    'Bitchy' 4.16 (1.96-8.82)
    'Guilty' 4.52 (2.20-9.29)
    Having separate experiences 8.67 (4.76-15.80)
    Thrusting out of sync 7.31 (3.98-13.44)
    'I was a masturbating object' 4.16 (2.31-7.33)
    Incomplete as a woman 7.07 (3.03-16.51)
    Set 2:
    distanced 10.22 (4.62-22.58)
    my mind wanders 7.22 (3.92-13.26)
    he's working awfully hard 34.19 (13.15-88.89)
    he's working hard for an orgasm 7.68 (3.88-15.21)
    disinterested 23.10 (8.07-66.13)
    my vagina doesn't like this 7.68 (3.88-15.21)
    pumping until it hurts me 17.62 (7.27-42.72)
    we're having separate experiences 4.08 (2.07-8.05)
    wide awake 'on alert' 2.87 (1.28-6.46)
    frustrated 10.15 (3.86-26.76)
    discomfort 11.41 (4.95-26.31)
    discontent 8.45 (3.81-18.75)
    Set 3
    relaxed 0.19 (0.11-0.32)
    peace 0.22 (0.13-0.38)
    warmth 0.19 (0.11-0.38)
    mutual satisfaction 0.18 (0.11-0.31)
    complete as a woman 0.25 (0.15-0.42)
    afterglow 0.24 (0.12-0.34)
    'gee that was great' 0.25 (0.15-0.42)
    'what a lover' 0.10 (0.05-0.19)


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    As stated, circumcision removes 33-50% of the penile skin. With this skin missing, there is less tissue for the swollen corpus cavernosa and corpus spongiosum to slide against. Instead the skin of the circumcised penis rubs against the vaginal wall, increasing friction, abrasion and the need for artificial lubrication. Because of the tight penile skin, the corona of the glans, which is configured as a one-way valve pulls the vaginal secretions from the vagina when the shaft is withdrawn. Unlike the anatomically complete penis, there is no sensory input to limit withdrawal. Because the vast majority of the fine-touch receptors are missing from the circumcised penis, their role as ejaculatory triggers is also absent. The loss of these receptors creates an imbalance between the deep pressure sensed in the glans, corpus cavernosa and corpus spongiosum and the missing fine touch [20]. To compensate for the imbalance, to achieve orgasm, the circumcised man must stimulate the glans, corpus cavernosa, and corpus spongiosum by thrusting deeply in and out of the vagina. As a result, coitus with a circumcised partner reduces the amount of vaginal secretions in the vagina, and decreases continual stimulation of the mons pubis and clitoris.

    Respondents overwhelmingly concurred that the mechanics of coitus was different for the two groups of men. Of the women, 73% reported that circumcised men tend to thrust harder and deeper, using elongated strokes, while unaltered men by comparison tended to thrust more gently, to have shorter thrusts, and tended to be in contact with the mons pubis and clitoris more, according to 71% of the respondents.

    The responses in Sets 1, 2 and 3 (Table 3) are more a measure of intimacy than physical differences in thrusting patterns. While some of the respondents commented that they thought the differences were in the men, not the type of penis, the consistency with which women felt more intimate with their unaltered partners is striking. Some respondents reported that the foreskin improved their sexual satisfaction, which improved the quality of the relationship. In addition to the observations of Maimonides in the 12th century, one survey found that marital longevity was increased when the male had a foreskin [21]. Why the presence of the foreskin enhances intimacy needs further exploration.

    When this information is compared with that collected by Laumann et al. [22] in the same period the women in the present survey had more lifetime partners (a median of 2 and 10 respectively). When the women with one partner in the former study were excluded (because having sexual experience with both a circumcised partner and an unaltered partner necessitates at least two partners), the women in the present survey were more likely to have had >4 partners (7.26, 4.46-11.83), >10 partners (5.83, 4.02-8.48), and >20 partners (4.16, 2.48-6.98). The high incidence of lifetime partners is a consequence of the inclusion criteria for the present study. If a woman were to randomly find partners among American sexually active males, 70-90% of whom are circumcised, 3-7 partners would be needed for a woman to have an even chance of having had both a circumcised and unaltered male partner. However, women do not procure their sexual partners randomly. Most sexual partners are found within a fairly close social network [22]. Likewise, circumcision does not occur randomly; within some of these networks, circumcision rates can approach 100%. For a woman to have a sexual partner with an anatomically complete penis involves having partners outside her immediate social network, which is uncommon. For these reasons, a median number of partners of 10 is not unexpected.

    While this study shows clearly that women prefer the surgically unaltered penis, it does have shortcomings. The respondents were not selected randomly and several were recruited using a newsletter of an anti-circumcision organization. However, when the responses from respondents gathered from the mailing list of the anti-circumcision organization were compared with those of the other respondents, there were no differences. This selection bias may be compensated to the degree that each respondent acted as her own control, using her subjective criteria on both types of penises. The findings cannot be completely attributed to selection bias.

    In asking women to evaluate their experience based on all of their lifetime sexual partners, there may be an element of recall bias, but the circumcision status of the most current sexual partner did not alter the findings. Because the surveys were not completed 'face-to-face', not all questions were completed by all respondents. There were also several other questions that were misunderstood by the respondents, but these were only a very small proportion of the respondents. Women who preferred vaginal orgasms had a strong preference for unaltered partners. Women who preferred circumcised partners were half as likely to prefer vaginal orgasms, but there were too few women preferring circumcised partners to make any valid statistical claims. This would suggest that the foreskin makes the most positive impact during vaginal intercourse.

    Another weakness of the survey is its preoccupation with vaginal intercourse. Several respondents commented that the foreskin also makes a difference in foreplay and fellatio. Although this was not directly measured, some respondents commented that unaltered men appeared to enjoy coitus more than their circumcised couterparts. The lower rates of fellatio, masturbation and anal sex among unaltered men [5] suggests that unaltered men may find coitus more satisfying [20].

    Clearly, the anatomically complete penis offers a more rewarding experience for the female partner during coitus. While this study has some obvious methodological flaws, all the differences cannot be attributed to them. It is important that these findings be confirmed by a prospective study of a randomly selected population of women with experience with both types of men. It would be useful to examine the role of the foreskin in other sexual activities. Because these findings are of interest, the negative effect of circumcision on the sexual enjoyment of the female partner needs to be part of any discussions providing 'informed consent' before circumcision.

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    K. O'Hara, BS.
    J. O'Hara.
    Correspondence: Kristen O'Hara, PO Box 764, Hudson, Ma, USA 01749

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    Hmm, I'm not too certain about this article Kong, though it is of course food for thought.

    The British Journal of Urology is indeed a real publication and seems to be the #1 source for doctor-written anti-circ articles. This however, is questionable, especially since the authors promote a book detailing how circumcision makes you incapable of satisfying women (but of course contains plenty of technique on how you can overcome this - and really, is this book marketed to already circumcised men, or men upset about their circumcision. Kong, you after all, are the one quick to point out when dollar signs overtake eithcs . . .).

    And though it's been a while since I've had stats, it appears there are at times 5X and even greater greater instances of women feeling "violated" or used a "masturbational device" and such after sex with an uncircumcised penis? Moreover it seems they admit recruiting respondents from an anti-circumcision magazine but say their answers do not differ at all from all other respondents - well there are just red flags all over this - methedology, sample group, formal nature of questioning, location of sampling, sample features (race, ethnicity, nationality, sexual history beyond number of partners, a disclosure of the wording and content of the questionare [by the way a mail out questionare on penis size would never be taken seriously as proof of anything on this site], how much the women knew about the nature of the survey, ect.) that any normal academic stduy would not only freely list or account for, but would not be taken seriously if they did not.

    In addition, the author's scholarly website contains links to 'erotic stories,' assumably involving foreskins or something, and they quote dialogue from a Woody Allen film as clear evidence that lack of a foreskin places irreconsilable barriers between men and women. Brilliant.

    The whole concept here is predicated on this idea of a penis "gliding" on it's foreskin, and the assertion of the authors that all circumcised men cause pain and irritation to their partners because the must 'ram it in' deeper, harder, and faster, to achieve orgasm, and are appearently incapable of orgasming otherwise. In tact men, on the other hand, take shallower, gentler strokes, exponentially increasing the chance of orgasm and overall female pleasure (according to the author's findings, this is an almost universal preference, or 7/8, with remaining percentage only marginally preferring a circumcised penis or not seeing much difference). I would wager that any man with a bit of sexual experience is already finding this a little dubious, but I encourage you to read the article and see the full extent of this highly scientific approach . . . And for the record if you partner feels violated or like a masturbational device afterwards, you're doing something wrong regardless of what your dick looks like : )

    Rather than base your opinion on the article, I would encourage men to ask women they know about the diffences in sensation they've experienced and compare that with the results of this 'study.' I think you may find it possible that female preference gathered first hand does not exactly allign with the interesting claims of this particular article. And if they do . . . God Help Us All! because circumcised men basically cannot provided orgasm, enjoy sex, or experience true intamacy with their partner as per the author's claims (unless you buy the book and let them help you out . . .)
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    I am also having a little trouble figuring out who this husband-wife author team is. They list no credentials (MD, PHD,) and provide no information about themselves.

    Though I feel I may well be accused of snobbery saying as much, in my experiences as a student, scholarly and respected publications did not publish findings by non-experts or suitably established individuals in a field. Research conducted outside of a university or academically and professionally recognized authority (institute, research hospital, government, ect.) is rarely ever seen.

    That being said, an article written by two people of unknown origin with an exceedingly amateur website only inteded to sell their book, in the 'prestigious' British Journal of Urology, again, is just kind of strange. They could be world recognized authorites on sexual research (doubt it), but frankly I'm a bit tired to start scouring the web at his hour. If anybody could find some info on them though, that would be great.
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    Re: ACTUAL STUDY: Do Women Prefer Uncut Cock?

    Oh GAAWWWWDDDD... :D

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    Swank, my wife wanted to say something to you. Here it is, in her own words:

    Hello, swank. Sorry, I have not read all your posts. I usually don't get involved with my husband's forums. He does his thing and I do mine. He interviewed me last night and I was completely honest with him. I told it like I felt it... oops, I mean "saw" it. ha! What concerns me is that my husband says you just don't have the facts. I don't know as much about restoration as my husband, but I agreed to the interview because I do know the facts about what has been happening between us since he has been restoring. Please read my interview if you haven't already. I am glad you can sexually please your partner. I am glad your partner has multi-orgasms, but please take it from this 40-year-old, married-for-10-years woman. When women have "multi-orgasms" and scream over and over, they are usually trying to make their man feel special. Make him feel like he is the best.... Get it? Try making yourself feel better by having the sensitivity in your penis like never before. Then you will truly feel her multi-orgasms, and her screams will make the neighbors light up a cigarette when you're done. Ha! Try restoring for yourself-- since she is already pleased. Try taping for 2 months and you will truly believe when the sensitity begins to develop. The best of luck to you. If you are truly happy sexually and your partner is screaming in rapture then God Bless. But if you want more, please take my advice and do it for yourself, she will ONLY REAP the BENEFITS..........................

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    If that was indeed Mrs. Kong, thanks for the advice. I am glad to see that you, like your husband, find it impossible that myself, or appearently any other men, are capable of providing a woman with powerful orgasms, even more than one. You two are approaching middle age, and therefore know absolutely eveything about sex. Does anybody else find this hilarious?

    I must say, the Kong family's continual anger over the prospect that I can really get my girlfriend off, and have done so with other women as well, seems to really be pervasive. Okay Kongs, I don't want to keep the household from being focused, so here you go - You're right. All women who have orgasmed from my attentions were faking it to make me feel good. Kong, you're older than me and are quite clearly interested in the topic of sex, so you definately know more about women. Ms. Kong, you're a woman, so what can I say? You know how all women operate in the sexual realm and how much they enjoy sex, what they prefer, ect. , just as your husband understands the sexual logistics and capabilities of all men. How lucky you two found each other!

    You guys are sex gurus and there's no way I know what I'm talking about. The point is now closed. Can we continue to debate the circumcision topic?

    On that note, my current girlfriend (who may be a dubious source, as we've already established that she's so slavish to my ego that she taught herself how to falsey ejaculate and continues on with boring, physically abrasive sex with my circumcised penis just to make me feel good) claims that she has slept with two uncircumcised men, and noticed little difference. She did not find them more asthetically pleasing and commented negatively about the odor one of them harbored. She declined to be interviewed on the topic : )

    In the past other women have expressed similar opinions when the topic was brought up, and in younger days I have witnessed a group of females espouse uhappiness at the event of encountering an uncut man (this is of course, extremely immature and stupid, but point being they were all very sexually active college students and stated in very clear terms that fellatio was not an enjoyable experience with the foreskin).

    That being said, if it's working for you guys, have at it! Like I said, I haven't got a problem with FR. I think that 'Mr. Kong' masquerades questionalbe and biased information as clear-cut (get it? haha) medical fact, especially about the effects of circumcision, and I seek to correct the balance.

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    Sorry, kiddo, that was my wife.

    Hate to say it, but she laughed when she read some of your posts about making women orgasm with the press of a finger and how awesome you were in the sack.

    Her words: "Whew-boy! He's got ALOT to learn!"

    I know you feel like a big grown up college man, but there is this really weird place just outside the campus grounds. It's called "Reality". In the words of David Spade, "Look into it!"

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    Oh my. Kong, I'm 27 (nearly 28) and I hold an MBA (I'm not straight out of college, I earned my higher degree three years ago and have been working non-stop in the corporate world since then). I've been having sex fairly regularly from the age of 15 when I had my first serious girlfriend. I'd say 18 years in the game doesn't quite make me the naive "kid" that you'd like to imagine. If you do a job for 18 years, you're a vet. Well, that's how long I've been having sex with women. There are probably 65 year olds running around that don't know a thing about how to please a woman, and likewise 16 year olds that could teach any of us a thing or two. That's agism my man. And frankly, I don't much care what your wife has to say, or if ot really is her. Same as you, she's just some stranger on the internet reading my posts.

    By the way, you can absolutely make a woman orgasm by stimulating her g-spot with your finger, and also clitorally. I'm sure you and many others have done this (you think a penis is 100% required for orgasm? Who's the sexpert here?). Once again, ad hominem attacks on my sexual abilities rather than a clear and focused debate of the detrimental effects of circumcision and the merits of a foreskin . . . Let's get real.

    I look forward to you getting over this obsession with my sex life and continuing to flush out the issue that we were previously discussing.

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    lol

    Whatever, dude!

    lol

    Hey, man, love your survey, btw!

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