Alright so I haven't been on the forums in a while a lot of things have happened . My gma died (R.I.P.), I got in a real bad car accident I'm alright though just back to public transportation and I'm starting to 2nd guess school . Through all of that I have some good news and a couple of questions . Since purchasing the Bathmate back in mid january I've gained a .25 inch of girth ! No length change even though it looks a bit longer when I measure it's the same but I'm sure that'll come . My routine was pretty much the dld Bathmate workout only that I jelqed for 10 minutes sometimes and stayed in the Bathmate for 15 - 20 minutes each go . I did 2 sets most days rarely 3 . I'm now @ 5.5 inches girth would you consider that large ? Also I'm really focused on length 1 more inch and I'll feel really comfortable . I've started back jelqing and I usually jelq for 20 minutes to a half hour depending on how I feel. I've watched the video for jelqing on the member site so I'm doing it correctly just wanted to know what kind of gains can I expect from jelqing for 20 - 30 minutes a day for about a month to 2 months supplemented with the Bathmate ? I'm also thinking about getting a sizegenetics or LengthMaster which one would help me better for faster length gains ? Also I'm thinking about getting some of the titan pills and I'm DEFINITELY getting the leech oil is this too much or will this all help ? Lastly, I need to get rid of this turkey neck is there anything besides the testicle health massage (The best exercise ever) that can help ? Thanks for the loads of info and support .