what is the optimal avrg penis size?

irspow;470498 said:

We very well might be genetically engineering a "feminized" species.

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More likely a result of the education system's long-standing desire to remove aggression from boys. This practice started in the 60s and 70s and gained ground during the 80s. By the 90s it was out of control. Today's kids are the biggest pussies you'll ever come across.

Plus let's not forget what a bunch of irresponsible eaters we've become. Also, removing athletics from most school curriculum was a ridiculous idea: but intentional. These kids do not work their muscles, their bodies do not respond to challenge. Video games, idiot TV and the internet keep them parked on their asses 24-7. This greatly reduces testosterone levels: the body is always striving for efficiency: if you don't need more testosterone your body won't produce it.

We also must take into account the fact we are trained by government and trial lawyers to think nothing is ever our own fault or own responsibility. They prefer us to be pussies because we're easier to control.

Besides, estrogen would not affect only sperm count or penis size. It would reveal itself in the breasts, facial and body hair, lips, hips, thighs and much more.

But planting such ideas in our heads means once again: nothing is our own fault. But the fact is: exercise increases testosterone.

My girlfriend says any size is perfect as long as they can use it... LIAR

This was her opinion before I grew 2 inches anyway haha

Her ex was much smaller than me and now my penis is even larger I keep reminding her how small it was when we first met, she is still in denial, maybe to make me feel better but the truth is, she squirts and orgasms every time we fuck, and within about 4 minutes. When I first got together with her, it would take over 10 minutes to get her really excited, loads of fourplay, hard, fast pounding in many positions, now I just smash her, get the job done then get back to watching �naked people movies�.

She loves it, although she'll never admit it.

EL 8.3-8.5 (Depends on how aroused I am)
EG 5.8-6.0 (Depends on how aroused I am)

MoreGains,

Interesting, but declining sperm counts of more than 50% in under 50 years??? That is just out of this world as far as genetic manipulation! I did not look at it from the perspective that you are citing, but it is interesting. Do you think that that this "feminization" is more about a docile race of slaves for the government or some other agenda?

From what I have seen so far, I believe it is more about simple economics and mass production of food, in a non-sustainable exploding population trend made possible only due to the temporary "industrial revolution". More specifically during the "sperm count crash" period of the last fifty years, the human population has gone from just 2.5 billion to well over 6.5 billion! That's about 160% human population increase in just 50 years! Feeding everyone can only be accomplished by extensive use of chemicals to enhance animal and plant life production and cultivation.

But your perspective is interesting too. Interesting indeed.

irspow;470605 said:

MoreGains,

Interesting, but declining sperm counts of more than 50% in under 50 years??? That is just out of this world as far as genetic manipulation! I did not look at it from the perspective that you are citing, but it is interesting. Do you think that that this "feminization" is more about a docile race of slaves for the government or some other agenda?

From what I have seen so far, I believe it is more about simple economics and mass production of food, in a non-sustainable exploding population trend made possible only due to the temporary "industrial revolution". More specifically during the "sperm count crash" period of the last fifty years, the human population has gone from just 2.5 billion to well over 6.5 billion! That's about 160% human population increase in just 50 years! Feeding everyone can only be accomplished by extensive use of chemicals to enhance animal and plant life production and cultivation.

But your perspective is interesting too. Interesting indeed.

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I do not want to go off topic but we can actually feed every person on the planet without manipulation (the USA food waste could feed Africa), we use these chemicals to grow the food quickly so that we can have dual harvests and make money, it is the same in the UK.

rakas,

Top soil is being depleted at an alarming rate all over the world even with the amazing yields made possible by chemicals. The fact is, there are too many people on this planet to feed in a sustainable fashion. Mass starvation will happen, not soon mind you, but it will. We are parasites that have just become too numerous for our host to bear. :D

irspow;470633 said:

rakas,

Top soil is being depleted at an alarming rate all over the world even with the amazing yields made possible by chemicals. The fact is, there are too many people on this planet to feed in a sustainable fashion. Mass starvation will happen, not soon mind you, but it will. We are parasites that have just become too numerous for our host to bear. :D

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Very True - Humans didn't take long to F*** this planet up

It is not like we are necessarily "evil" or anything, it's is just that our population is increasing in an unsustainable way. I mean, cmon', 2.5 to 6.5 billion, 4 billion additional people in the last fifty years?!?!?!? Does any rational person think that this can continue without mass starvation? Seriously, look at the curve...it is absolutely ridiculous and self-destructive beyond words. Industrial society WILL end...when we don't know...but it is certain.

http://one-simple-idea.com/WorldPopulation.jpg

nice discussion but maybe start another thread move the above posts and focus on topic


Im leaning towards 8x6 with a very thick base(maybe up to 6.5) and a more narrow size towards the head to be able to get long blowjobs and assfuck action :D .

LOL...sorry for making the thread stray.

All I wanted to introduce earlier was that what may be "ideal" now, may be significantly smaller in the future, or even impossible to attain given the significant increases of estrogen within the human population over the last half century.

irspow;470605 said:

the human population has gone from just 2.5 billion to well over 6.5 billion!

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If you combine all of these things you get significant results.

We definitely also keep weaker people alive and procreating. In the past they would've simply died. So modern medicine contributes to watering down the good stock too.

I'm just not sure how much estrogen (if any) would survive stomach fluids and actually end up in the bloodstream. But I admit I didn't research it either.

Testosterone levels in the male population is, and has been for a long time now, dropping significantly as the levels of estrogen in males has been increasing in males worldwide. It is the "balance" or shift towards ever more and more estrogen and less and less testosterone that is "feminizing" males all over the world. If this continues, before we are extinct for other reasons, we my become an androgynous species. Although penis size has not changed much yet on average since studies began, sperm counts have dropped off a cliff so to speak over the last half century. (Along with the widespread obesity, rising incidence of testicular cancer, a vast increase of birth defects associated with male genitalia...all resulting from lower testosterone levels.) Fifty years from now, we well might see a much smaller penis and far less "masculinity" in the male species.

As a side theory...because the size of male genitalia has not changed much since major studies started but the overall size of people has gotten larger, eg. height, penises have clearly gotten SMALLER in RELATION to the rest of the body over time...just something to think about. :D

Fuck what a bitch might think. I do this for myself. I want 12" nonbp myself.

This thread is funny. "Optimal" is obviously a term that cannot be defined precisely in regard to anything other than conceptually from a specific unique viewpoint or perspective. While "optimal" may change, as perspectives, preferences, and viewpoints change, reality is pretty stagnant. :D

I have looked at all of the largest studies, excluding all that were not carried out by the medical community, that I could find. From the earliest to the latest large-scale studies that I can find in the medical journals and papers from the medical community, there has not been any significant change in the reality of penis size over the last century or so. Taking all of the data that I could find from the large-scale studies, a static average, is quite evident over time regarding penis size. From my somewhat rigorous study of mathematics in my lifetime and all of the data I can find regarding penis size, what is often referred to as "optimal" or even desirable is strictly statistically at least 2.5 to 3 deviation points from reality for the vast majority of most human beings. (Hopefully, wide-spread acceptance, practice, and study of Penis Enlargement will change this in the future :D)

The results from this study by me of the data available about the reality of human penises regarding size:

Averages population wide (all measurements bone-pressed along top of penis and erections are full naturally or chemically induced)

flaccid length = 9.25cm or 3.64"
flaccid stretched length = 14.75cm or 5.81"
flaccid girth = 10.25cm or 4.03"
erect length = 13.65cm or 5.37"
erect girth = 12.25cm or 4.82"

And no, this data was not skewed by any significant population deviation from one area or another. Perceptions and beliefs aside, there are no significant cultural, regional, or ethnic deviations placing abnormal "weights" into the averages. These numbers apply to all male human beings on this earth. There are studies for example that show that say people closer to equatorial areas have a slight tendency to have longer relaxed flaccid lengths, generally attributed to both the climate and general skin elasticity over their lifetime, but again, it is not anything outside of normal deviation, and certainly not significant. Everything that people have "heard" about certain "traits" of one people or another is more or less just urban legend and not medically backed or substantiated in any way. Humans are humans. Penises are penises. And the averages above are what they are. Representative of the average male penis, "optimal" or not. :D

Tom

P.S. LOL...I guess that "optimal" really is just being anything but average. :D

irspow;470911 said:

This thread is funny. "Optimal" is obviously a term that cannot be defined precisely in regard to anything other than conceptually from a specific unique viewpoint or perspective. While "optimal" may change, as perspectives, preferences, and viewpoints change, reality is pretty stagnant. :D

Averages population wide (all measurements bone-pressed along top of penis and erections are full naturally or chemically induced)

flaccid length = 9.25cm or 3.64"
flaccid stretched length = 14.75cm or 5.81"
flaccid girth = 10.25cm or 4.03"
erect length = 13.65cm or 5.37"
erect girth = 12.25cm or 4.82"


P.S. LOL...I guess that "optimal" really is just being anything but average. :D

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yeah I know its highly subjective. Thats why want the optimal average lol. What would be the average optimal penis if you ask 100 000 woman

Thanks for that averages.
I think this is great news for everyone cause:

a) everyone below avrg can stop whining and gain through Penis Enlargement at least an average dick.
b) everyone similiar to avrg or above can shut up about insecuritys

What would even be better is to know your mathematical knowledge about the avrg optimal size woman like to have(not can).
Tough at this point we are maybe leaving mathematical country cause most ladys can only state what feels optimal and not how much it actualy is.

How i figure it out is this, if average is 5.5x 4.75, add two inches on length and girth, so 7.5x6.75 would be enough for any women to be satisfied with. The most important issue is actually penis hardness anyway, and angles used in sex, staying power, then size, last but not least.