Penimaster pro

Dickleaker;469770 said:

Saw that last night and had already gave you the rep point...maybe give you to J1L for the original idea!

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I didnt really get that, sorry.. Rep points?

Dickleaker;469763 said:

If I have a small amount of air in the chamber then how to get it all out.I would think by using more vacuum. So far I have no blisters but now I'm little nervous and extra careful on checking my glans.

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Think of the fact there are actually two "chambers" in this device. One is the latex diaphragm (LD) and the other is the plastic dome (PD). By introducing vacuum into the PD you draw the LD into the PD chamber. Coincidentally, by having your glans block the intake to the LD, your glans is drawn in as the LD expands in the direction of the vacuum in the PD and becomes the second chamber. If during the intake of the glans you also get some air inside the LD then you will have trapped air inside the LD with your glans. This is one of the two primary reasons for the lube: to help make a seal with the latex and discourage air intake. (The other is comfort: by keeping your glans from rubbing on the latex as it seats and expands.)

Therefore, more vacuum in the PD will only increase the expansion of the LD exacerbating the issue caused by trapped air in the LD (puts the air under even more vacuum). So I'd suggest you only introduce as much vacuum as is necessary to keep you in it for the given tension. As you know I always prefer time over tension, so I'd suggest a lower tension.

BTW, this is the evil of vacuum devices. You get the hang of them and start using more tension. Then a blister takes you out. I know it's tempting, but no one can really get accustomed to vacuum. Skin dries out and peels so you're always getting a new top layer. Granted the new top layer may callous, but as you well know: blisters are much deeper in origin than the upper layer.

MG,


Thanks for the detailed explanation!

This is what I have been doing wrong:

When I exit the glans chamber I attach the pump ball to get my glans out.Then the latex diaphram is staying inside on the wall of the glans chamber or PD as you call it.

Now I know that the latex diaphram should be visible when I re enter the glans chamber so i have to pump or suck in the appropriate position of the locking screw to get the diaphram close to the opening rather than glued to the walls of the plastic dome/glans chamber.

Thank you for helping me sort this!!

MoreGains123;469798 said:

Think of the fact there are actually two "chambers" in this device. One is the latex diaphragm (LD) and the other is the plastic dome (PD). By introducing vacuum into the PD you draw the LD into the PD chamber. Coincidentally, by having your glans block the intake to the LD, your glans is drawn in as the LD expands in the direction of the vacuum in the PD and becomes the second chamber. If during the intake of the glans you also get some air inside the LD then you will have trapped air inside the LD with your glans. This is one of the two primary reasons for the lube: to help make a seal with the latex and discourage air intake. (The other is comfort: by keeping your glans from rubbing on the latex as it seats and expands.)

Therefore, more vacuum in the PD will only increase the expansion of the LD exacerbating the issue caused by trapped air in the LD (puts the air under even more vacuum). So I'd suggest you only introduce as much vacuum as is necessary to keep you in it for the given tension. As you know I always prefer time over tension, so I'd suggest a lower tension.

BTW, this is the evil of vacuum devices. You get the hang of them and start using more tension. Then a blister takes you out. I know it's tempting, but no one can really get accustomed to vacuum. Skin dries out and peels so you're always getting a new top layer. Granted the new top layer may callous, but as you well know: blisters are much deeper in origin than the upper layer.

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Squashbuddie;469781 said:

I didnt really get that, sorry.. Rep points?

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Moregains,

I cannot think of anything I did differently that time around. Maybe perhaps my glans did not seal the sluice diaphragm well enough and I got air in that way during entry. I really do not know as all latex pieces were in place as they should be, the diaphragm was drawn out from the head piece prior to suction, etc. It does suck to have to play the waiting game now, but for some good news, my glans looks much better today after having it continually lubed up with neosporin. Hopefully it will be completely healed in a few more days, as there are no discolorations today. Anyway, I hope this never happens again. Even though this is a setback I am still in love with this device since it is so comfortable. That may be its only downside, since the comfort can be deceiving.

Dickleaker;469805 said:

When I exit the glans chamber I attach the pump ball to get my glans out.Then the latex diaphram is staying inside on the wall of the glans chamber or PD as you call it.

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Before you re-apply the device you should open the valve so the LD can return to its normal, un-stretched shape.

Dickleaker;469805 said:

Now I know that the latex diaphram should be visible when I re enter the glans chamber so i have to pump or suck in the appropriate position of the locking screw to get the diaphram close to the opening rather than glued to the walls of the plastic dome/glans chamber.

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Curious. You're actually able to get the LD to stay "reverse inflated" (vacuumed) inside the PD after removing your glans? That sounds like you're using the bulb to force the glans out but then after your glans exits you let the bulb relax and return the LD to the shape it was in when your glans was inside. If that's the case, I'd suggest 1) the first item (prior to application open the valve so the LD can return to its normal, un-stretched shape) and 2) when using the bulb to expel the glans do not rotate the bulb such that it closes the valve after your glans is expelled.

tennisguy;469807 said:

It does suck to have to play the waiting game now, but for some good news, my glans looks much better today after having it continually lubed up with neosporin. Hopefully it will be completely healed in a few more days, as there are no discolorations today. Anyway, I hope this never happens again. Even though this is a setback I am still in love with this device since it is so comfortable. That may be its only downside, since the comfort can be deceiving.

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Glad to hear it's healing well. Be careful about keeping it too wet, even with medicine. Blisters are a nasty animal. They are deceiving and misleading. What appears to have healed is actually a dark spot waiting to happen. All vacuum devices are comfortable: that's their attraction. But blistering will eventually cause you to give up. Too many take you out for too long.

I'm guessing that when you pressed your glans into the device some air was trapped between the glans and the latex diaphragm (LD). When the LD expanded it caused the air to expand as well. Because of the lube the glans does not 'stick' to the LD. When no air is present the lube causes surface tension adhesion between the glans and the LD. But where there's air... there's the possibility of a blister. Remember also that when you introduce tension you create additional vacuum.

In other words, the air bubble becomes even more of a vacuum itself as it expands under more vacuum. Remember also that water boils at room temperature under vacuum. I have always felt this is how blisters originate: 1) an air bubble allows a void to exist. 2) Tension creates even more vacuum. 3) Fluid (97% water) near the surface of the skin experiences enough vacuum tension to boil: voila, blister!

This may also account for how they recede and heal so quickly, unlike other 'traditional' blisters. The water simply re-condenses. (I have seen them in a clear vacuum hanger before: they expand quite a bit! The moment you remove the device they reduce greatly.)

Back to the PM pro: The goal of the design is for the LD to produce a surface-tension-based containment wrap for your glans which buffers your glans from the air void inside the PD. This keeps the skin from experiencing 'open vacuum'. However in order to work properly this requires zero air inside the LD.

Therefore, this is the number 1 priority during application. This is also what prevented me from be able to use the device properly. I've had enough blisters to intuitively know when there's a risk (unfortunately I've had so many). In my case, not being able to 'slide' in as happens on the training video I could feel vacuum pull right at the urethra opening. I knew there was air in the LD. It's a sort of 'sharp pin-pointed' pull feeling.

It's very admirable that they tried to address this core problem and did so with quite a setup. However if like all other vacuum devices, it has the ability to blister I'd rather not use it because it requires the glans to be bare. When I use the SS HD I always tape up. SS invented the concept of taping under vacuum years ago and even include some with the device. (I use a different tape than they suggest.) I know it's a pain in the ass, but I also know I'll never get a blister. Shit. I was really looking forward to using this device somehow.

Dickleaker;469805 said:

get the diaphram close to the opening rather than glued to the walls of the plastic dome/glans chamber.

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Could you clarify this please? Can you actually see that the LD is so expanded that it is touching the walls of the PD? I'm not sure that's a design goal. That sounds like way too much vacuum on the LD. Which also sounds like you might have air in the LD. I would think if you're using the proper amount of vacuum in PD the LD and your glans would be 'one'. Perhaps you could try to use less and less vacuum and test it against the tension you want to use. If you pull out, add a little more vacuum, if you don't, reduce the vacuum. There's a sweet spot in there somewhere.

MG,

Ok will try opening the valve after I exit.Thanks for your detailed responses and concern regarding guys getting blisters.
All your information will help prevent those I hope. So far all good.
I do check every hour or max hour and a half for blisters.

Good luck with your taping method and gains!!!

MoreGains123;469856 said:

Before you re-apply the device you should open the valve so the LD can return to its normal, un-stretched shape.


Curious. You're actually able to get the LD to stay "reverse inflated" (vacuumed) inside the PD after removing your glans? That sounds like you're using the bulb to force the glans out but then after your glans exits you let the bulb relax and return the LD to the shape it was in when your glans was inside. If that's the case, I'd suggest 1) the first item (prior to application open the valve so the LD can return to its normal, un-stretched shape) and 2) when using the bulb to expel the glans do not rotate the bulb such that it closes the valve after your glans is expelled.

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MG,

I opened the valve and let the LD return to its normal shape.Thanks!

I think there is some info missing from the manual and its a bit more complicated than appears at first.

How long does it take to get the penimaster on? Does it ever get stretched out like the vlc skin cone?

Gravik;469920 said:

How long does it take to get the penimaster on? Does it ever get stretched out like the vlc skin cone?

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Do you mean stretched out as in you have to get a new one? In that case it's a no, the material is some sort of patented plastic and im sure if used correctly wont ever be broken. But all the rubber parts have a duration of about 2 weeks according to the guy I have been talking to, but they can be bought separately as any other part of the product on their website.

doublelongdaddy;469620 said:

DO NOT BUY THIS BEFORE I GET AN AFFILIATION OR YPOU ARE WASTING MONEY! DAMN! I will get you guys a huge discount.

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DLD, did you get the affliation yet? I am ready to buy one.

I'm uncut, will this thing work for me?

yh dld, how long? im itching to buy one. if u get it in a week or two i can wait but any longer ima buy it. btw im not bitching, wouldnt dare of it. peace dudes

Hi guys. For those on a budget, like me, and who are handy building things, you can get away much cheaper than buying the entire kit. I basically only ordered the main part ($75) the glans goes in and a couple bags of their latex condom thingys (2 x $6). Get yourself about 3 feet of surgical tubing and a one way aquarium air valve ($5 or less). One quick suck on the tube and I'm in. The aquarium valve does not leak. Slide off the aquarium valve when it's time to pull out and have a break. I have a Velcro leg strap and the surgical tubing provides the needed tension. The surgical tubing over the threaded tip of the device does not slip off even with a lot of tension. VERY easy and simple to use and is by far the most comfortable contraption I've tried. I'll try to post a pic later. (First time posting here.) If you want to give this a shot, cost is about $100. I'd recommend getting their lube the first time too. I didn't as I figured I'd find something local that worked for me. Go to the "Spare Parts" link if you want to get just the minimal needed parts to get started on a budget. Enjoy!

Here is a photo of the poor man's Penis Enlargement-Pro. Tubing is from lab supply store and very cheap. It is 1/4" outside diameter and about 1/8" inside diameter. The one way air check valve was from a local pet supply store. There are some that have a flap and spring inside. They are no good. Higher pressure messes them up. This one inside looks like a rubber duck's bill. It has never leaked air. I simply run the tube through the leg strap and back to the Penis Enlargement-Pro nipple. There I put a couple turns around it with the rubber band I have attached and put a loose knot to hold it there. There are 101 ways to connect the tubing to whatever you want to attach it to. You can also get fuel tubing from your local hobby store that sells RC planes and cars if you can't find the surgical tubing. It also works but is not at stretchy as the surgical tubing. It is good for stronger pressure but I thing the surgical tubing is better as it stretches more and doesn't create as much pressure when you move and temporarily tug on it. I had an issue with the condom thingy coming off the device. I put a thin rubber band around the Penis Enlargement Pro grove over the condom thing and it never slips off now.

I enjoy the feeling of the Penis Enlargement Pro tugging on my penis. Will see after a few months if it does anything. I started out 10+ years ago under 6" and hit 8" a couple years or so ago. Then I didn't really do any consistent Penis Enlargement and fell back to 7.5" - 7.75" range. Starting up again hoping to get past 8". Would like to hit 8.5" EBP. Not sure why, just a challenge I guess.

As far as lube (air sealant) I was using a small amount of water based sex lube. However, because it is so slick, sometimes some skin would get sucked in. I just switched over to using some pure silicone grease. I know it is non-toxic. I don't think it irritates skin either. Trying out today for first time. If my dick turns red and gets a rash I'll let you you. So far feels fine. It makes an excellent seal and is on the sticky side but not in a glue sense. Just image a very thick grease.

Hope this helps.

Silicone grease I'm testing now:
http://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Grea...1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1327273233&sr=8-1-fkmr0

This one is not good:
http://www.petco.com/product/7178/Lees-Check-Valve.aspx?CoreCat=OnSiteSearch

This one is a good air check valve:
http://www.petco.com/product/109908/Petco-Check-Valve.aspx?CoreCat=OnSiteSearch

Link to "spare parts":
https://www.internetzahlung.de/cc-aktuell/spare-parts-ce-47-27-0

I ordered the sluice ring but the main part already came with one attached, so it was a waste of $21 buying the ring. I'm guessing they all come with the sluice ring but can't say for sure.

Squashbuddie;469975 said:

the material is some sort of patented plastic

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I seriously doubt they invented a plastic for this. The costs for such would be astronomical and completely unnecessary. It looks like a poly-carbonate to me. Oil companies, Dupont and similar big companies invent the plastics. They provide data sheets on the characteristics and the engineers select one.

Squashbuddie;469975 said:

But all the rubber parts have a duration of about 2 weeks according to the guy I have been talking to

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Who is this guy? Two weeks is very limited. I didn't see that anywhere. How many hours of use does that translate to? I know those parts are cheap, but it means you really have to keep an eye on your supply (including if you accidentally rip one).

6to8;469995 said:

Here is a photo of the poor man's Penis Enlargement-Pro.

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Brilliant! Thanks for posting this!

MoreGains123;470009 said:

I seriously doubt they invented a plastic for this. The costs for such would be astronomical and completely unnecessary. It looks like a poly-carbonate to me. Oil companies, Dupont and similar big companies invent the plastics. They provide data sheets on the characteristics and the engineers select one.

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Of course they didn't invent the plastic, I think you know that wasn't what I meant. The whole product is patented:
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=8,075,473.PN.&OS=PN/8,075,473&RS=PN/8,075,473

MoreGains123;470009 said:

Who is this guy? Two weeks is very limited. I didn't see that anywhere. How many hours of use does that translate to? I know those parts are cheap, but it means you really have to keep an eye on your supply (including if you accidentally rip one).

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A guy I talked to through their costumer services.